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    Another lie by Theresa May & Gov. RE - Police Budget Cuts

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    Anyone who doesn't think the huge cuts (overseen by one Theresa May when Home Secretary for 6 years) to both our police and border patrol forces mean we're more exposed than ever to these absolute nutjobs is in some serious denial.

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    toiletseatlicker

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    No this is Misc...ie a place where you can discuss anything.

    "Yawn"....Its funny that you still spent time commenting

    here we go again....
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    Original Poster

    https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/871334312221736960

    Video in link above

    here we go again....

    Accusation isn't the same as proof. There's obviously more to the situation that the gentleman is letting on. His body language was all over the place, which suggests he was not comfortable with his accusations (or version of the truth).

    Anyone who doesn't think the huge cuts (overseen by one Theresa May when Home Secretary for 6 years) to both our police and border patrol forces mean we're more exposed than ever to these absolute nutjobs is in some serious denial.

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    Original Poster

    toiletseatlicker

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    No this is Misc...ie a place where you can discuss anything.

    "Yawn"....Its funny that you still spent time commenting

    The Far left Labour supporters' are now getting boring beyond belief.

    where's the deal ?

    A lot of people are very angry including me May has made the right decision to suspend campaigning
    then come out of number 10 and started again

    None of the things [May] is proposing in the four point plan are … None of the things [May] is proposing in the four point plan are immediate steps and so I regret the timing of this.There is an agreement between the parties that there will not be party political campaigning until this evening or tomorrow.I think that [what May has said] is drawing us in to a debate. I think there is time enough to discuss these issues. I don’t think that anything she is proposing is anything that needs to be or will be dealt with tomorrow, and I don’t think anything is an immediate step that she is putting forward. If it was then, that would be different matter.But to come out on to the steps of 10 Downing Street immediately in the aftermath of a terrible outrage would not be something that would be expected.She has said enough is enough. Well I thought enough was enough after 9/11, I thought that enough was enough after 7/7, I didn’t think we should be taking any more of these attacks on our people, we all agree on that.We need to do more but we also need to be sensitive to the fact that there are people who are only just discovering that their loved ones have died.


    Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary

    Predikuesi

    Accusation isn't the same as proof. There's obviously more to the … Accusation isn't the same as proof. There's obviously more to the situation that the gentleman is letting on. His body language was all over the place, which suggests he was not comfortable with his accusations (or version of the truth).


    His body language wasn't "all over the place". He was using his hands to affirm his statements, plus the sun was in his eyes, and yet he still manages to keep consistent eye contact with the reporter.
    Edited by: "buddhabelly" 4th Jun

    dezbo8888

    where's the deal ?


    Good question. You've been here over 2 years ;p

    A lot of people are very angry including me May has made the right … A lot of people are very angry including me May has made the right decision to suspend campaigning then come out of number 10 and started againHide full quote None of the things [May] is proposing in the four point plan are immediate steps and so I regret the timing of this. There is an agreement between the parties that there will not be party political campaigning until this evening or tomorrow. I think that [what May has said] is drawing us in to a debate. I think there is time enough to discuss these issues. I don’t think that anything she is proposing is anything that needs to be or will be dealt with tomorrow, and I don’t think anything is an immediate step that she is putting forward. If it was then, that would be different matter. But to come out on to the steps of 10 Downing Street immediately in the aftermath of a terrible outrage would not be something that would be expected. She has said enough is enough. Well I thought enough was enough after 9/11, I thought that enough was enough after 7/7, I didn’t think we should be taking any more of these attacks on our people, we all agree on that. We need to do more but we also need to be sensitive to the fact that there are people who are only just discovering that their loved ones have died.Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary



    So it's acceptable for Jeremy Corbyn in the BBC interview to make political accusations and off the cuff remarks about 'sufficient' police and intelligence for political gain straight after the London Bridge attack?

    toiletseatlicker

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    You on the rim blocks again?

    nemesiz

    So it's acceptable for Jeremy Corbyn in the BBC interview to make … So it's acceptable for Jeremy Corbyn in the BBC interview to make political accusations and off the cuff remarks about 'sufficient' police and intelligence for political gain straight after the London Bridge attack?



    ​and it's acceptable to lie in a G7 summit abut Jeremy Corbyn saying g the attacks are our own fault when he never said that. It's far worse if the current UK PM goes too important events and blurts out her hatred for Corbyn that wasn't the time and place for a personal attack and especially not by the countries PM.

    toiletseatlicker

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    And you have only posted 6 deals in 5 years. Y'know?

    Banned

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/15/bae.armstrade

    But remember, it has nothing to do with this or the cutting of services. Nah, has everything to do with those evil internet thingy-me-jigs! Boo to whatsapp, Yay to terrorist supporting Arms deals!

    No surprise really she said she didn't perform a u-turn over the dementia tax after announcing the policy in her manifesto. It said no limit in the manifesto days later she said there would be a limit.

    When quizzed on this by the press she flat out lied and said that there was always going to be a limit.

    I know who I believe the Police Federation and others not Theresa May and her cronies.

    I am happy a politician can back track and U turn.
    I have respect for that, if a person has made a misjudgement they are hard enough to admit and change their mind.

    Will be interesting to see Jeremy handle his backtracks on HNS spending, Corporation Tax, and his other ridiculous promises that we can't afford.

    I watched this live this afternoon and had a feeling his comments would be mentioned on Misc. He's right, his point is valid no matter where you are on the political spectrum. Could other cities outside of London respond as quickly as the Met did last night, putting down a roaming gang of terrorists in under 8 minutes? Cuts are costing lives and even elements of the Tory press are turning on the PM tonight for slashing policing numbers during her time as Home Secretary.

    Chiptivo

    I am happy a politician can back track and U turn. I have respect for … I am happy a politician can back track and U turn. I have respect for that, if a person has made a misjudgement they are hard enough to admit and change their mind.Will be interesting to see Jeremy handle his backtracks on HNS spending, Corporation Tax, and his other ridiculous promises that we can't afford.



    The problem with May is she doesn't think she's wrong though she only does u-turns because she has to and even then she tries to lie her way out of her own incompetence.

    She's the weakest PM I've ever seen in my life she doesn't have the backing of her own cabinet half the time. The euro sceptics are determined to leave the EU with no free trade deal and she's got no power to stop them.
    Edited by: "cat123" 4th Jun

    cat123

    The problem with May is she doesn't think she's wrong though she only … The problem with May is she doesn't think she's wrong though she only does u-turns because she has to and even then she tries to lie her way out of her own incompetence.


    She is the best we have to offer at the moment.

    Banned

    Chiptivo

    I am happy a politician can back track and U turn.



    This is not a backtrack or U-turn. Its a lie.

    There are 18,000 less Police including 1000 less police qualified to carry firearms since The Cons took power.

    Even May lies about the security services covering the drop in Police numbers. There are approx 1000 more in the security services since The Cons took power. Now they employ about 7500 total.

    Lies are not u-turns. Lies are lies & May is a liar.

    PS All the above happened when she was Home Secretary or PM. She is fully aware of the above & oversaw it all. There are 17,000 less staff to safeguard our country & she solely is to blame for that.

    watched this live this afternoon and had a feeling his comments would be … watched this live this afternoon and had a feeling his comments would be mentioned on Misc. He's right, his point is valid no matter where you are on the political spectrum. Could other cities outside of London respond as quickly as the Met did last night, putting down a roaming gang of terrorists in under 8 minutes? Cuts are costing lives and even elements of the Tory press are turning on the PM tonight for slashing policing numbers during her time as Home Secretary.



    Initial cuts were earmarked and started under Gordon Brown's Premiership, when Forces situated in the Southern England (Thames Valley Police, Surrey, Sussex) were ordered to make sweeping budgetary savings, through redundancies, closing local stations and points, cost cutting and reduction of administration. The savings roughly 7-10% of their budget were then transferred to larger struggling Forces such as Metropolitan and Greater Manchester Police to help reduce and tackle growing crime (and figures).

    Chiptivo15 m ago

    She is the best we have to offer at the moment.


    That's an opinion that seems to be shared by less and less people every day. 4 days to go and it looks like the best that the Tories can hope for is being the party with the most seats but not an overall majority.

    nemesiz

    Initial cuts were earmarked and started under Gordon Brown's Premiership, … Initial cuts were earmarked and started under Gordon Brown's Premiership, when Forces situated in the Southern England (Thames Valley Police, Surrey, Sussex) were ordered to make sweeping budgetary savings, through redundancies, closing local stations and points, cost cutting and reduction of administration. The savings roughly 7-10% of their budget were then transferred to larger struggling Forces such as Metropolitan and Greater Manchester Police to help reduce and tackle growing crime (and figures).



    What evidence do you have to back this up?

    PS All the above happened when she was Home Secretary or PM. She is fully … PS All the above happened when she was Home Secretary or PM. She is fully aware of the above & oversaw it all. There are 17,000 less staff to safeguard our country & she solely is to blame for that.



    Rather complicated than simply blaming the Conservative government. When the Coalition came into power Labour left a massive deficit in the Police budget, and pension scheme. This only worsened with the abolition of Quango's that dealt and funded cross border agreements, council tax freezes linked with providing additional funding for local Police forces, and of course government freezing or reducing the overall Police budget. The problem was that many of austerity savings, meant sweeping cuts to administration departments (intelligence analysts, crime reduction, licensing, school liaison, and adolescence services), and abolition of specialist officers (i.e. Anti-Social Behaviour) rather than front-line police. The impact though is that officers spend more time on administration, investigation and less time actively on the patrols and the community.

    RonChew

    That's an opinion that seems to be shared by less and less people every … That's an opinion that seems to be shared by less and less people every day. 4 days to go and it looks like the best that the Tories can hope for is being the party with the most seats but not an overall majority.


    Odd times.

    It's starting to remind me of Brexit.

    Everyone was convinced Remain would win.

    The problem Theresa May has got is that she's Theresa May.

    I'm a Tory and even I think she's a lying, vile, useless, old witch.

    Chiptivo

    She is the best we have to offer at the moment.


    Yip...we're in some state!!!

    tomba

    Yip...we're in some state!!!



    There are only two real people to choose and one of the guys would be a disaster for the UK for generations to come.

    Chiptivo

    There are only two real people to choose and one of the guys would be a … There are only two real people to choose and one of the guys would be a disaster for the UK for generations to come.



    It's pretty clear Theresa May is a disaster for the country and too many people are already living miserable lives.

    Schools are begging parents for donations, the police have had so many cuts to staff they are stretched to capacity, the NHS is on its knees and social is in crisis. Yeah the current government are doing a great job....oh wait!
    Edited by: "cat123" 4th Jun

    Banned

    More and more are posting about May's relationship with Saudi Arabia

    https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/871443507407454209

    ... And how one independent candidate running against Amber Rudd was censored (on her insistence) by the speaker when he started to (on topic) talk about Saudi Arabia:

    Rudd The Silencer
    Edited by: "neilanderton1" 4th Jun

    cat123

    It's pretty clear Theresa May is a disaster for the country and too many … It's pretty clear Theresa May is a disaster for the country and too many people are already living miserable lives. Schools are begging parents for donations, the police have had so many cuts to staff they are stretched to capacity, the NHS is on its knees and social is in crisis. Yeah the current government are doing a great job....oh wait!



    Buy why can't corbyn be honest, the only way he can afford the changes he is promising is to raise National Insurance, or Tax for all by 2-3p which is fine by me.
    If a party said that, it would be fine, they would get my vote.

    The corporation tax, and the 50p tax up from 45p is just a vote winner for the stupid to grasp on to. It will not raise the money they are planning to spend, not nearly enough, and will only stun the growth leading to a loss of jobs and even more unbalancing of the economy.. It frustrates me that so many people are just stupid, and both the two main parties can not just be honest and say Income tax needs to increase..
    Reminds me of the Red Bus and the Euro money to the NHS all over again, which swayed the euro vote and was complete rubbish.. Fools fell for it..

    Roll on Friday morning... I can't take much more of people pushing **** to further political agendas...

    Chiptivo

    Buy why can't corbyn be honest, the only way he can afford the changes he … Buy why can't corbyn be honest, the only way he can afford the changes he is promising is to raise National Insurance, or Tax for all by 2-3p which is fine by me. If a party said that, it would be fine, they would get my vote.The corporation tax, and the 50p tax up from 45p is just a vote winner for the stupid to grasp on to. It will not raise the money they are planning to spend, not nearly enough, and will only stun the growth leading to a loss of jobs and even more unbalancing of the economy.. It frustrates me that so many people are just stupid, and both the two main parties can not just be honest and say Income tax needs to increase.. Reminds me of the Red Bus and the Euro money to the NHS all over again, which swayed the euro vote and was complete rubbish.. Fools fell for it..



    Actually it's the Tories who keep giving tax breaks to the corporations many of whom hardly pay any tax as it is.

    That's state aid to major corporations instead of investment in our NHS and other vital infrastructure. The Tories have reduced corporation tax and plan on doing it further that will be a 11% drop since they came to power.

    That's an ideological stance as they gI've away money to their own backers yet let public service get run down and get to crisis.

    CaptainSocks

    Odd times. It's starting to remind me of Brexit. Everyone was convinced … Odd times. It's starting to remind me of Brexit. Everyone was convinced Remain would win. The problem Theresa May has got is that she's Theresa May. I'm a Tory and even I think she's a lying, vile, useless, old witch.



    No one who really wanted to be PM would appoint boris Johnson to be...well anything tbh



    Chiptivo

    I am happy a politician can back track and U turn. I have respect for … I am happy a politician can back track and U turn. I have respect for that, if a person has made a misjudgement they are hard enough to admit and change their mind.Will be interesting to see Jeremy handle his backtracks on HNS spending, Corporation Tax, and his other ridiculous promises that we can't afford.

    Chiptivo

    She is the best we have to offer at the moment.



    But I trust you are aware that Labour generally does worse on the night than predicted. It's going to be close though. For the first time in my life I don't think I can actually vote.
    Edited by: "OllieSt" 4th Jun

    Error440

    No one who really wanted to be PM would appoint boris Johnson to … No one who really wanted to be PM would appoint boris Johnson to be...well anything tbh



    Two words, Diane Abbot.

    cat123

    Actually it's the Tories who keep giving tax breaks to the corporations … Actually it's the Tories who keep giving tax breaks to the corporations many of whom hardly pay any tax as it is.That's state aid to major corporations instead of investment in our NHS and other vital infrastructure. The Tories have reduced corporation tax and plan on doing it further that will be a 11% drop since they came to power. That's an ideological stance as they gI've away money to their own backers yet let public service get run down and get to crisis.


    This is what frustrates me.. Basic economics..
    The cuts in corporation tax reduce our income a little, although some would argue that it encourages companies to pay it, rather than move accounting offshore and legally avoid it.
    By doing this, companies can expand and therefore create jobs, these jobs pay Tax, NI and Company NI into the government. You only have to look at unemployment figures and net GDP. We are one of only a handful of countries that are reversing and the debt is now decreasing. It is very good news.
    Yes, things are not perfect, although NHS spending it at its highest ever, still more needs to be done, but we are heading in the right way. I would like to see income tax increase a little to basically pay off our debt a little quicker and avoid the interest payments we have to make every month. Maybe a further 1p to spend on social care and health.

    The Uni fees reversal is a very poor call by corbyn, it is not fair that someone who can afford education, or will be able to easily pay it off with a high paying job gained from their degree should have their education paid for by some hard working person working in a retailer shop on a standard living wage. It is simply not fair on the poorer person who is working hard to get by.

    I don't understand May getting all the flack by distributing the £300 winter fuel payment to millionaire pensioners to more worse off people who need the extra financial help.. Personally I think it's a good idea.

    I think people forget that things have to be paid for by tax payers, you and me.. We can't just keep saying, we need more police, more nurses, more doctors, more social care unless we all start paying for it?

    Flodd

    Two words, Diane Abbot.



    Not part of brexit negotiation team
    Edited by: "Error440" 4th Jun
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