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NYC Churches Ordered Not To Shelter Homeless

NEW YORK (CBS) ― City officials have ordered 22 New York churches to stop providing beds to homeless people.

With temperatures well below freezing early Saturday, the churches must obey a city rule requiring faith-based shelters to be open at least five days a week -- or not at all.

Arnold Cohen, president of the Partnership for the Homeless, a nonprofit that serves as a link with the city, said he had to tell the churches they no longer qualify.

He said hundreds of people now won't have a place to sleep.

The Department of Homeless Services said the city offers other shelters with the capacity to accept all those who have been sleeping in the churches. The city had 8,000 beds waiting.

Last year, four unsheltered homeless people died in the city during cold weather, so three dozen emergency outreach teams were prepped to respond to reports of homeless people outdoors or in the subways.

"We really don't want people sleeping on the streets, on grates, on church steps. We want people sleeping in beds," said Homeless Commissioner Robert Hess.

The homeless can be coaxed indoors but not forced unless their life is in danger.

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Sounds reasonable to me...
if there are enough beds already - why offer more on a part time basis...
in london they offer shelter of Xmas but not in January - when it's colder... because volunteers feel guilty on the hols but not a month later.
let the churches do something else that needs to be done.

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callmejoe;3563072

Sounds reasonable to me...if there are enough beds already - why offer … Sounds reasonable to me...if there are enough beds already - why offer more on a part time basis...in london they offer shelter of Xmas but not in January - when it's colder... because volunteers feel guilty on the hols but not a month later.let the churches do something else that needs to be done.


I still don't get why waste time and resources saying they can't provide shelter?

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berni888;3563087

I still don't get why waste time and resources saying they can't provide … I still don't get why waste time and resources saying they can't provide shelter?


because it's the city's job and people get paid to do it properly

The Department of Homeless Services said the city offers other shelters with the capacity to accept all those who have been sleeping in the churches. The city had 8,000 beds waiting.

Cant see what this rant is on about at all.

my brothers volunteer every weekend in london, doing the homeless shelter thing for their church, its not only about giving them a place to sleep for the night in the church but talking to the homeless people as well and helping them in other ways. some people are lost and just need someone willling to talk to and listen to them

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csiman;3563116

because it's the city's job and people get paid to do it properlyThe … because it's the city's job and people get paid to do it properlyThe Department of Homeless Services said the city offers other shelters with the capacity to accept all those who have been sleeping in the churches. The city had 8,000 beds waiting.Cant see what this rant is on about at all.


It's not a rant, and it's good to get others views on it. I'm perplexed as to why it's now illegal for churches to assist. Why make it a legality? What next? I'm concerned that all these new laws are creeping in to what purpose, a building block to what goal?

berni888;3563154

It's not a rant, and it's good to get others views on it. I'm perplexed … It's not a rant, and it's good to get others views on it. I'm perplexed as to why it's now illegal for churches to assist. Why make it a legality? What next? I'm concerned that all these new laws are creeping in to what purpose, a building block to what goal?



Does this apply over here?
It does state its in New york which the last time I looked isn't yet a part of the UK.

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ants97;3563209

Does this apply over here? It does state its in New york which the last … Does this apply over here? It does state its in New york which the last time I looked isn't yet a part of the UK.


It's NY but if it happens over there, it's usually not far off happening over here.

Probably health and safety reasons for this.

berni888;3563298

It's NY but if it happens over there, it's usually not far off happening … It's NY but if it happens over there, it's usually not far off happening over here.



not strictly true otherwise we'd have had the death penalty back years ago but I take your point.

If it had been some eu directive from Brussels on the otherhand then I could see why your concerned it may filter through to here.

About the actual case though, then if there are more than enough beds going at designated shelters then surely by stopping the unregulated shelters then the authorities are actually saving the churches cash by stopping then from incurring all the expenses that are occur when they do open thus giving the churches more funds to help others in fields that aren't so well looked after by the state authorities.

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ants97;3563365

not strictly true otherwise we'd have had the death penalty back years … not strictly true otherwise we'd have had the death penalty back years ago but I take your point. If it had been some eu directive from Brussels on the otherhand then I could see why your concerned it may filter through to here. About the actual case though, then if there are more than enough beds going at designated shelters then surely by stopping the unregulated shelters then the authorities are actually saving the churches cash by stopping then from incurring all the expenses that are occur when they do open thus giving the churches more funds to help others in fields that aren't so well looked after by the state authorities.


Fair point. I still find it unsettling that it's a law that they can't offer help. I just can't shake it off that it does not bode well. But thanks for discussing.

Churches don't just provide a bed for the night, they also provide food, fresh clothing, someone to talk to if required, message service to family if required, it's not just religion but a way of showing someone cares. It's a lot to do with money as well, if the city has been given a budget to shelter the homeless then they got to be seen to be spending it. They are in direct competition with the churches that have been doing this for decades so instead of working with the experienced organisations they seek to shut them down instead, typical bureaucratic dogma.
In the UK we have charities religious and otherwise that do reachout to the homeless right throughout the year. Salvation Army for example. In Leamington Spa there is a group that have a Soup Van out every week to ensure that the folk get something nutruitious and they do this voluntarily. Before making comment or offering opinions, lets google a bit and you will be suprised at the amount of work going on with and without the help of the local / national government.
One last comment, it may not be immediately obvious but think about the foundation stones of our society here and in the third world. Hospitals, Schools, Law, even Government (before church and state get separated) Social reforms etc. A lot of that came from folk who acted out their beliefs and gave sacrificially to better the world that they live in.

sofatoad;3563521

Churches don't just provide a bed for the night, they also provide food, … Churches don't just provide a bed for the night, they also provide food, fresh clothing, someone to talk to if required, message service to family if required, it's not just religion but a way of showing someone cares. It's a lot to do with money as well, if the city has been given a budget to shelter the homeless then they got to be seen to be spending it. They are in direct competition with the churches that have been doing this for decades so instead of working with the experienced organisations they seek to shut them down instead, typical bureaucratic dogma.In the UK we have charities religious and otherwise that do reachout to the homeless right throughout the year. Salvation Army for example. In Leamington Spa there is a group that have a Soup Van out every week to ensure that the folk get something nutruitious and they do this voluntarily. Before making comment or offering opinions, lets google a bit and you will be suprised at the amount of work going on with and without the help of the local / national government.One last comment, it may not be immediately obvious but think about the foundation stones of our society here and in the third world. Hospitals, Schools, Law, even Government (before church and state get separated) Social reforms etc. A lot of that came from folk who acted out their beliefs and gave sacrificially to better the world that they live in.



i totally agree, you cant compare the care and friendliness a church provides to that of a government thing, i know from experience i have volunteered before and my brothers do it every weekend :thumbsup:
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