ANTIFA attacks a man holding a free speech sign (Dalston, UK)

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Found 26th Aug 2017
Thankfully the BLM leader UK, Gary McFarlane (?), is there to rip the sign calling for free speech to be defended to violently rip it from the innocent mans hand. How tolerant.

We held signs like these to fight against racism and violence against the people of all colours and sexual preference, how quickly the same groups of people want to see that right removed! ANTIFA IS A FACIST ORGANISATION, it's a shame because it didn't need to be that way, in Europe we suffered because of Nazi'ism and would fight it at all costs. However these snowflakes have their ideologies truly mixed, social justice and left wing politics are NOT the same thing. ANTIFA can use rational discussion to shoot down the fascists but attacking people holding signs to protect free speech

You want Labour you get this, nothing but violence and the threats of it to achieve their political means. Thankfully Diane Abbot will be there giving an interview talking about 8000 fascists, no wait 56 fascisits, not wait it was 176 of them.


The mouthy cockney is my favourite, "I don't care what you believe" while holding a sign up


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Segata-Sanshiro9 m ago

Snowflakes here, snowflakes there, its the fashionable word for the …Snowflakes here, snowflakes there, its the fashionable word for the Bexiteers because they can't think of anything original to say. I'm sure Corbyn will abolish the BBC licence fee when he gets in power.


Jez for PM!

No wait the BBC is the mouthpiece for the left. Amazingly loving the left while loving the high wages for those at the top, paid for by taxes of course! What amazes me is that most of these protestors are spoilt little WHITE middle class children who fight against the Social Injustice of society, most went to decent universities and have a lovely home waiting for them in the Cotswolds. Amazing you never see any of them give up their little inheritance.

ALTHOUGH

As a disclaimer, I don't know the guy holding the sign (his eyes look a bit close together), he could be anybody promoting anything. Never see ANTIFA in North Korea or China for some reason then again you never see gay pride marches in Kabul or Baghdad. Miles136, get your gear you sexy thing were off to Kabul!
Once again a thoughtful and compelling argument put forward by one of the most respected, erudite and impartial members of this community.
Edited by: "Cr0m" 26th Aug 2017
catbeans15 m ago

i seem to remember there being more to this story, i think the other …i seem to remember there being more to this story, i think the other people were protesting something soemthnig that happend (i mean obviously) that made it a pretty inappropriate time to do that.Odd video with no context.


Yep they were protesting fascism and this guy turns up effectively saying that we should give fascists a chance and listen to what they have to say!!! Graham will know this and I would suggest he stops sympathising with fascists - not a good look!
It's interesting to see that the group claiming to oppose fascism become the ones to use physical abuse to get their own message across, despite the man simply standing with a placard.

It's a very slippery slope when we start trying to ban what people think and say, outside of anything that constitutes a direct threat from an individual, even if we are personally offended by their philosophies.

Doing so makes the voices of people that sanction bans as bad as any other.

The best solutions are either to ignore or debate.

Anything else kills democracy.
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Snowflakes here, snowflakes there, its the fashionable word for the Bexiteers because they can't think of anything original to say.

I'm sure Corbyn will abolish the BBC licence fee when he gets in power.
Segata-Sanshiro9 m ago

Snowflakes here, snowflakes there, its the fashionable word for the …Snowflakes here, snowflakes there, its the fashionable word for the Bexiteers because they can't think of anything original to say. I'm sure Corbyn will abolish the BBC licence fee when he gets in power.


Jez for PM!

No wait the BBC is the mouthpiece for the left. Amazingly loving the left while loving the high wages for those at the top, paid for by taxes of course! What amazes me is that most of these protestors are spoilt little WHITE middle class children who fight against the Social Injustice of society, most went to decent universities and have a lovely home waiting for them in the Cotswolds. Amazing you never see any of them give up their little inheritance.

ALTHOUGH

As a disclaimer, I don't know the guy holding the sign (his eyes look a bit close together), he could be anybody promoting anything. Never see ANTIFA in North Korea or China for some reason then again you never see gay pride marches in Kabul or Baghdad. Miles136, get your gear you sexy thing were off to Kabul!
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Antifa are savages, a terrorist organisation which the msm refuse to recognise or acknowledge. Just look at the Charlottesville incidents recently, msm repeatedly blaming one side (the white nationalists) whilst refusing to pin any sort of blame towards these savages, and when someone actually attempts to blame both sides (Trump) they get slandered by the msm.
Edited by: "deleted1431257" 26th Aug 2017
Once again a thoughtful and compelling argument put forward by one of the most respected, erudite and impartial members of this community.
Edited by: "Cr0m" 26th Aug 2017
i seem to remember there being more to this story, i think the other people were protesting something soemthnig that happend (i mean obviously) that made it a pretty inappropriate time to do that.

Odd video with no context.
Edited by: "catbeans" 26th Aug 2017
catbeans15 m ago

i seem to remember there being more to this story, i think the other …i seem to remember there being more to this story, i think the other people were protesting something soemthnig that happend (i mean obviously) that made it a pretty inappropriate time to do that.Odd video with no context.


Yep they were protesting fascism and this guy turns up effectively saying that we should give fascists a chance and listen to what they have to say!!! Graham will know this and I would suggest he stops sympathising with fascists - not a good look!
woody2749 m ago

Yep they were protesting fascism and this guy turns up effectively saying …Yep they were protesting fascism and this guy turns up effectively saying that we should give fascists a chance and listen to what they have to say!!! Graham will know this and I would suggest he stops sympathising with fascists - not a good look!


I'm afraid I have no idea who the guy is but shouting down somebody holding a sign championing discussion to be shouted down by ANTIFA is rather FA no?

Again this is what you see over and over again, somebody with a different opinion, is attacked. Rather ironic by people who claim to be fighting for social justice.
People getting caught up in that blm stuff. Its just rubbish, stop bringing american issues to British daily lives.

Want to know its like to be treated like dirt? Move to america.

Want to know what its like to live with the Nazis? Read a history book.

Neither are issues here.
Edited by: "groenleader" 26th Aug 2017
woody27414 m ago

Graham will know this and I would suggest he stops sympathising with …Graham will know this and I would suggest he stops sympathising with fascists


I don't know who he is or what he represents, he could be a nut or a peace loving democrat and fascists have NO place in any democracy from the skin head morons to the extreme left, which is just as violent. Just ironic that the self claimed anti-fascists are fascist. I sympathize more with ANTIFA, although not donated money yet, than the far right however they don't help themselves.
Rom38 m ago

Once again a thoughtful and compelling argument put forward by one of the …Once again a thoughtful and compelling argument put forward by one of the most respected, erudite and impartial members of this community.


From one of our most pro-active deal posting members. Keep up the hard work.my little vegan sausage, you must be exhausted but you quarterly deal is appreciated
I'm a snowflake and proud if it differentiates me from some on here.
RedLozzer2 m ago

I'm a snowflake and proud if it differentiates me from some on here.


Well thank you for pointing out you're a snowflake, not something snowflakes do, oh wait!
Graham19792 m ago

Well thank you for pointing out you're a snowflake, not something …Well thank you for pointing out you're a snowflake, not something snowflakes do, oh wait!

Bless.
As a self confessed snowflake, what do you do to be a snowflake on a daily basis?
RedLozzer29 m ago

I'm a snowflake and proud if it differentiates me from some on here.


You mean from the Crusty Nut Branflakes ?


Another angle, these people are actually pretty nutty to be fair, though standing amidst then causing trouble isnt great either.
Edited by: "catbeans" 27th Aug 2017
Referring to the OP brining Labour into this discussion - You could vote any party in and still get this nonsense. If anyone's to blame its the Media and companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter who gives Antifa their platform while actively suppressing content from the right and distorting facts. I myself was referred to as a Nazi sympathiser on here the other day simply for agreeing with Trumps balanced response to Charlottesville - you cant win with these people.
Who actually was the guy that was being harangued so what is the actual context here beyond the placard?

"You want Labour you get this."

Are these people officially sanctioned by the labour party?
If not then GTFO.
freakstyler16 m ago

I myself was referred to as a Nazi sympathiser on here the other day …I myself was referred to as a Nazi sympathiser on here the other day simply for agreeing with Trumps balanced response to Charlottesville - you cant win with these people.


Whilst I might ask you why you thought Trump's response was balanced I'd never call you a Nazi for holding that opinion.
On the one hand he was right to denounce the violence of both sides the fact that he didn't denounce the racists seemed weak.
I really think you should all stop having a go at Graham.
It's interesting to see that the group claiming to oppose fascism become the ones to use physical abuse to get their own message across, despite the man simply standing with a placard.

It's a very slippery slope when we start trying to ban what people think and say, outside of anything that constitutes a direct threat from an individual, even if we are personally offended by their philosophies.

Doing so makes the voices of people that sanction bans as bad as any other.

The best solutions are either to ignore or debate.

Anything else kills democracy.
reddit6 m ago

It's interesting to see that the group claiming to oppose fascism become …It's interesting to see that the group claiming to oppose fascism become the ones to use physical abuse to get their own message across, despite the man simply standing with a placard.It's a very slippery slope when we start trying to ban what people think and say, outside of anything that constitutes a direct threat from an individual, even if we are personally offended by their philosophies.Doing so makes the voices of people that sanction bans as bad as any other.The best solutions are either to ignore or debate.Anything else kills democracy.

The mob is the mother of tyrants.
reddit16 m ago

It's interesting to see that the group claiming to oppose fascism become …It's interesting to see that the group claiming to oppose fascism become the ones to use physical abuse to get their own message across, despite the man simply standing with a placard.It's a very slippery slope when we start trying to ban what people think and say, outside of anything that constitutes a direct threat from an individual, even if we are personally offended by their philosophies.Doing so makes the voices of people that sanction bans as bad as any other.The best solutions are either to ignore or debate.Anything else kills democracy.



You have to understand where 'true' Antifa comes from. For years, was an organisation in Europe of actual tough individuals who fought with Nazi groups (like those you see in the US) in Eastern Europe, Germany etc, where such groups exist and are open about it. Fighting against groups who actively went out and stabbed, beat and murdered non whites. It's kind of sad really that skinny jean wearing morons under that flag beat up random people who mearly try to attend talks or have opposing views.
reddit17 m ago

... despite the man simply standing with a placard.


What was the context? He seems innocent enough on the surface but what was the underlying context as there was clearly a rally of sorts and police presence?
He may have been disingenuous in using that placard but regardless of what it was I don't agree with the aggression of the mob. They were out of order for sure but if he was being disingenuous then he brought it on himself.
Agharta15 m ago

What was the context? He seems innocent enough on the surface but what was …What was the context? He seems innocent enough on the surface but what was the underlying context as there was clearly a rally of sorts and police presence?He may have been disingenuous in using that placard but regardless of what it was I don't agree with the aggression of the mob. They were out of order for sure but if he was being disingenuous then he brought it on himself.


We can only go by what we saw, so that is the context.

Whether he could have been disingenuous should be irrelevant because that should not bring on any form of violence.

In this particular video it was mob rule, with violence and this, from people purporting to be fighting against fascism and the like.

But by acting in the same manner as a stereotypical fascist or similar makes them exactly the same as those that they proclaim they despise.
reddit11 m ago

We can only go by what we saw


That's risky and naive as media posts by professionals or otherwise are by individuals or organisations with agendas; neutral or otherwise.
The reason I ask in this case is becasue there was clearly an event of sorts with police present.
He may have been randomly caught up in something or maybe he knew the context and was trying to subvert it in a less obvious way and got caught out.
I have already condemned their aggression towards him but there may be mitigating circumstances.
I refuse to take things at face value, I'm not naive.
Totally agree with the Antifa woman, the right to openly discuss ideas must not be defended.

Otherwise imagine the kind of world we would live in.

Perhaps she could be given the responsibility of selecting who can speak - she might even decide who is a valid person in our country and how wealth should be redistributed - some ideas which she seem somewhat like Stalin/Hitler perhaps? but not like fascism, right?

The left have become obsessed with defending PC but seem destined to campaign against freedom in lots of ways.
Edited by: "davewave" 27th Aug 2017
We don't have freedom of speech in this country, bout time you lot noticed that and stopped shouting about it.

We have laws against hate speech and the human rights act (which a lot of you seem to hate on here) was written by English barristers in the aftermath of WW2 to try and prevent any such disgusting behaviour happening again.
Why do those that discriminate on skin colour, religion and nationality think that they are protected under "free speech"?

They attempt to use it to continue their hatred.

Free speech and freedom to hate those you have never met are not the same thing.
Segata-Sanshiro12 m ago

We don't have freedom of speech in this country, bout time you lot noticed …We don't have freedom of speech in this country, bout time you lot noticed that and stopped shouting about it.We have laws against hate speech and the human rights act (which a lot of you seem to hate on here) was written by English barristers in the aftermath of WW2 to try and prevent any such disgusting behaviour happening again.


Yes we hate human rights - Genius!
CoeK9 h, 30 m ago

I really think you should all stop having a go at Graham.


No please don't!
Agharta8 h, 48 m ago

That's risky and naive as media posts by professionals or otherwise are by …That's risky and naive as media posts by professionals or otherwise are by individuals or organisations with agendas; neutral or otherwise.The reason I ask in this case is becasue there was clearly an event of sorts with police present.He may have been randomly caught up in something or maybe he knew the context and was trying to subvert it in a less obvious way and got caught out.I have already condemned their aggression towards him but there may be mitigating circumstances.I refuse to take things at face value, I'm not naive.


The context is this, it was a protest against the LD50 gallery, the protesters were standing outside chanting, that man appeared with his sign and is very likely the owner or one of the exhibitors or something.

The protest was about this
LD50 on Tottenham Road hosted a “Neoreaction conference” in 2016 featuring leading proponents of the so-called “alt right” movement.

Speakers at the event included Brett Stevens, who has previously praised Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik, saying “he chose to act where many of us write, think and dream”.

The gallery which i believe is now closed specialised in "controversial" subjects such as displaying art work from neo nazi artists.
freakstyler10 h, 39 m ago

Referring to the OP brining Labour into this discussion - You could vote …Referring to the OP brining Labour into this discussion - You could vote any party in and still get this nonsense. If anyone's to blame its the Media and companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter who gives Antifa their platform while actively suppressing content from the right and distorting facts. I myself was referred to as a Nazi sympathiser on here the other day simply for agreeing with Trumps balanced response to Charlottesville - you cant win with these people.


What like the Day of Rage called for by senior la our MPs in the name of Social Justice and equality? Labour and the political left uses the youth because the older people remember the labour movements and bankruptcy that follows.

Again ANTIFA like BLM (in this country) and Save the Pandas and Save the Trees etc are a majority white middle-class flag waving snowflakes. Next week it will be Save the Leaves or Snails. They don't help the movement politically giving it purpose and direction, they simply run round with their little middle-class faces covered attacking people and property before returning to their parents in suburbia.
reddit9 h, 3 m ago

We can only go by what we saw, so that is the context.Whether he could …We can only go by what we saw, so that is the context.Whether he could have been disingenuous should be irrelevant because that should not bring on any form of violence.In this particular video it was mob rule, with violence and this, from people purporting to be fighting against fascism and the like.But by acting in the same manner as a stereotypical fascist or similar makes them exactly the same as those that they proclaim they despise.



Nonsense - on that logic - females would not have a vote, homosexuality would be illegal and African Americans would still be enslaved and Nazi germany would rule Europe.

I wouldn't expect those defending racist/white nationalists/etc to be up on their civil rights history but I can assure you that "free speech" wasn't achieved by appealing for peaceful logic.

Millions were killed, tortured and thrown in prison fighting discrimination based on gender/sexuality/race.... those that want to hate based on any of those without prejudice do not deserve and cannot hide behind free speech
davewave43 m ago

Totally agree with the Antifa woman, the right to openly discuss ideas …Totally agree with the Antifa woman, the right to openly discuss ideas must not be defended. Otherwise imagine the kind of world we would live in.Perhaps she could be given the responsibility of selecting who can speak - she might even decide who is a valid person in our country and how wealth should be redistributed - some ideas which she seem somewhat like Stalin/Hitler perhaps? but not like fascism, right?The left have become obsessed with defending PC but seem destined to campaign against freedom in lots of ways.


Hi Dave, are you proposing that we allow all sorts of hate speech and ideologies that promote extermination of those who one is opposed to?
Just wondering if there are any boundaries in your freedom scenario.
Graham197911 m ago

What like the Day of Rage called for by senior la our MPs in the name of …What like the Day of Rage called for by senior la our MPs in the name of Social Justice and equality? Labour and the political left uses the youth because the older people remember the labour movements and bankruptcy that follows.Again ANTIFA like BLM (in this country) and Save the Pandas and Save the Trees etc are a majority white middle-class flag waving snowflakes. Next week it will be Save the Leaves or Snails. They don't help the movement politically giving it purpose and direction, they simply run round with their little middle-class faces covered attacking people and property before returning to their parents in suburbia.


The people shouting in your out of context little clip didn't look very middle class to me, perhaps you could take some time out of posting on here to look at more videos of the protest that clip comes from and then look up the LD50 galley and that particular protest, it isnt hard as the protesters can clearly be seen to be the same people in each video, about 40ish of them just standing outside the gallery, they appear to be pretty local to me and simply don't want that sort of thing in their neighbourhood.
Segata-Sanshiro3 h, 21 m ago

The people shouting in your out of context little clip didn't look very …The people shouting in your out of context little clip didn't look very middle class to me, perhaps you could take some time out of posting on here to look at more videos of the protest that clip comes from and then look up the LD50 galley and that particular protest, it isnt hard as the protesters can clearly be seen to be the same people in each video, about 40ish of them just standing outside the gallery, they appear to be pretty local to me and simply don't want that sort of thing in their neighbourhood.


Everyone that gets more than minimum wage is middle class to Graham.
They're saying they own streets, that's pretty middle class.
Rubisco1 h, 26 m ago

They're saying they own streets, that's pretty middle class.

Middle class people are too busy at work for all this rubbish.
CoeK1 m ago

Middle class people are too busy at work for all this rubbish.



You mean they have productivity privilege.
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