Any figures on how people are dying from the virus?

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Posted 18th Mar
Just been reading some news about the increase in virus related deaths today, and was curious in what circumstances.

Probably not going to ever really find out, but I was thinking that with people dying on a daily basis, how and where are these people dying?
In hospital after being on a ventilator, without one, at home etc.....

Would be interesting to know how effective a ventilator actually is if nearly every person ill enough to be put on one dies anyway.
Only seen one example where someone was recovering.
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Worry is ICU might be rationed. Before this virus they may have got an ICU bed with Covid-19 or other problems.
If you don't have a good immune system, reasonable white blood cell count it reduces your lung capacity making it hard to breath, ventilators assist with breathing but I guess it cannot deal with the worst cases. Try to delay getting it as long as possible, treatment will improve over time and if you can avoid getting it while others around you get it you can be protected by herd immunity. The bodies white blood cell count increases as we move towards summer, maybe because of more vitamin 'd' with increase sun. Such viruses statistically cause less deaths in the summer months.
8000 worldwide , on last news report, but yeah, they don’t seem to give any examples how
@xenole

I believe at least some of what you asked for , for UK, is generally available and very easy to find, even The Sun , Mail readers know about this:-
For example, dailymail.co.uk/new…tml

The rest you can search on the net? I am not sure. And I think I may have come across death by region chart as well as confirmed cases by region. As for the Chinese data, English version is published by the China Centre for Disease Control, a medical journal.

As for your specific question of : "Would be interesting to know how effective a ventilator actually is if nearly every person ill enough to be put on one dies anyway." I recall vaguely that some doctors lodged alerts about the number of ventilators needed, based on the data from China using ventilators. You can also find out how many ventilators China exported to Italy as donations. Then you can do some calculations yourself with the available published statistics.

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Edited by: "splender" 18th Mar
splender18/03/2020 19:01

@xenole I believe at least some of what you asked for [Image]


Some of those are a bit vague.

Did they have control of their Diabetes? I mean, you can be diagnosed with diabetes but if you have good consistent in range glucose levels, you can pretty much be almost "normal". Also, Type 1 or Type 2? There is a massive difference. Did they smoke? So many un-answered questions.
Edited by: "guru404" 18th Mar
guru40418/03/2020 19:07

Some of those are a bit vague.Did they have control of their Diabetes? I …Some of those are a bit vague.Did they have control of their Diabetes? I mean, you can be diagnosed with diabetes but if you have good consistent in range glucose levels, you can pretty much be almost "normal". Also, Type 1 or Type 2? There is a massive difference. Did they smoke? So many un-answered questions.



Both types 1 & 2, this information is very readily available to diabetes. I don't know why you ask these questions as they are easy to find.

I have tinniest of knowledge in medicine. The driving force is how your body blood stream and organs defends itself against the virus attack of the lungs tissue as the organs balances the chemistry of your bodily fluids.

diabetes.org.uk/abo…rus
diabetes.co.uk/new…tml
diabetes.org/dia…rus
splender18/03/2020 19:22

Both types 1 & 2, this information is very readily available to diabetes. …Both types 1 & 2, this information is very readily available to diabetes. I don't know why you ask these questions as they are easy to find.I have tinniest of knowledge in medicine. The driving force is how your body blood stream and organs defends itself against the virus attack of the lungs tissue as the organs balances the chemistry of your bodily fluids. https://www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us/news/coronavirushttps://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2020/mar/update-for-those-vulnerable-to-coronavirus.htmlhttps://www.diabetes.org/diabetes/treatment-care/planning-sick-days/coronavirus


Thanks for that but kind of missed my point. I already knew what they are. I'm asking did the people that die have control of their diabetes? and any pre-existing conditions from it? also did they smoke? The stats you showed just say "Diabetes" which is a very broad term.
guru40418/03/2020 19:33

Thanks for that but kind of missed my point. I already knew what they …Thanks for that but kind of missed my point. I already knew what they are. I'm asking did the people that die have control of their diabetes? and any pre-existing conditions from it? also did they smoke? The stats you showed just say "Diabetes" which is a very broad term.


I thought these web sites are as clear as they could be, the next step is for you to consult a specialist doctor for your specific situation. Why ask here?

Say, I got the facts for your points, what would you do with the differences in mortality rate in practice ( I am assuming you are a diabete or not.)? Bearing in mind that it is 7.3% overall.

If you are a diabete, I think you are missing a key concept about life and death when there is a risk rate in death. This key concept evolves around a key phrase, " I am another statistic." Notice, the first person rather than third person.
Edited by: "splender" 18th Mar
splender18/03/2020 20:00

I thought these web sites are as clear as they could be, the next step is …I thought these web sites are as clear as they could be, the next step is for you to consult a specialist doctor for your specific situation. Why ask here?Say, I got the facts for your points, what would you do with the differences in mortality rate in practice ( I am assuming you are a diabete or not.)? Bearing in mind that it is 7.3% overall.If you are a diabete, I think you are missing a key concept about life and death when there is a risk rate in death. This key concept evolves around a key phrase, " I am another statistic." Notice, the first person rather than third person.


My question is directly in relation to the deaths relating to this virus and how many people smoked (as a percentage) as an example. Not the ins and outs of diabetes (which I have a qualification in anyway). In fact you could apply the smoking thing to anyone of those underlying conditions.
Edited by: "guru404" 18th Mar
bonzobanana18/03/2020 17:49

If you don't have a good immune system, reasonable white blood cell count …If you don't have a good immune system, reasonable white blood cell count it reduces your lung capacity making it hard to breath, ventilators assist with breathing but I guess it cannot deal with the worst cases. Try to delay getting it as long as possible, treatment will improve over time and if you can avoid getting it while others around you get it you can be protected by herd immunity. The bodies white blood cell count increases as we move towards summer, maybe because of more vitamin 'd' with increase sun. Such viruses statistically cause less deaths in the summer months.


Does that mean we would all benefit by taking a vitamin d supplement?
Pilsbury1218/03/2020 21:43

Does that mean we would all benefit by taking a vitamin d supplement?


A Popular /viral straight talking youtuber said high dosage Vit D. could help immunity. He recommends 25ug.
Also mentioned by media and sibling
Pilsbury1218/03/2020 21:43

Does that mean we would all benefit by taking a vitamin d supplement?


Get into the sun, your body creates vitamin D.
We’ve to still exercise so go a walk and absorb the light.
Oneday7718/03/2020 22:58

Get into the sun, your body creates vitamin D. We’ve to still exercise so g …Get into the sun, your body creates vitamin D. We’ve to still exercise so go a walk and absorb the light.


I walk everyday with my dog. As for the sun it never seems to put in an appearance down here. Rains most days
Natural light, raining or not will still help. As winter fades, natural light will intensify, even through the clouds.
100% of the over 70s that develop respiratory infections in hospital die & that is Italys stats
Willy_Wonka18/03/2020 23:27

100% of the over 70s that develop respiratory infections in hospital die & …100% of the over 70s that develop respiratory infections in hospital die & that is Italys stats


Please rather than spreading fear. Please share that source to back it up?
Many of us have family in that category and I’m sick of seeing bandied about facts with no substance.
Oneday7719/03/2020 15:20

Please rather than spreading fear. Please share that source to back it …Please rather than spreading fear. Please share that source to back it up?Many of us have family in that category and I’m sick of seeing bandied about facts with no substance.


yeah, no, that’s definitely not a fact, don’t worry
Oneday7719/03/2020 15:20

Please rather than spreading fear. Please share that source to back it up?


Channel 4 channel4.com/new…aly


Shown 16th March 2020. Nearly everyone over 70 that develop respiratory infections in hospital die. Not spreading fear but fact.
Willy_Wonka19/03/2020 20:20

Channel 4 …Channel 4 https://www.channel4.com/news/inside-one-intensive-care-team-fighting-coronavirus-in-cremona-italyShown 16th March 2020. Nearly everyone over 70 that develop respiratory infections in hospital die. Not spreading fear but fact.


but ‘nearly everyone’ isn’t 100% like you first claimed
Mendoza19/03/2020 20:57

but ‘nearly everyone’ isn’t 100% like you first claimed



Watch the program and then come back to me.
Edited by: "Willy_Wonka" 19th Mar
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