Apple must pay some back taxes to the irish government

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Found 30th Aug 2016
13 billion euros.

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Original Poster

Apple ordered to pay 13 billion euros in Irish taxes
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Years of litigation, appeals etc to follow - Lawyers getting rich and the overpriced I Phones getting even more overpriced .

Original Poster

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Simplify the tax system and tax these companies on their turnover instead of profits, paying tax in each country they trade in.

They can pay the fine in cash or trade in 25 new iphones instead

So let me get this straight

Basically Ireland gave extra tax cuts to ensure Apple's business stayed in Ireland and the EU have said this is illegal and now apple (with it's £200bn in reserves) must pay EU13bn

How many Irish are employed at Apple?
Hasn't it been long proved that certain countries within the EU have for decades offered simlar tax havens for both companies and individuals?
The EU, that has never AFAIK produced financial accountability reports for any of the years it's been "in power" now decides Irelands taxing methods are questionable?

Did I miss something?

Bad Apple.

Disgraceful that the economy we live in today is full of cunning tax havens overpaid accountants lawyers politicians and bankers that allow the rich to exploit the poor and Apple is just the tip of the iceberg
Why is nobody going to jail?

Ireland is robbing EU nations of their tax by helping apple with this. ****.

donaldduck2

Simplify the tax system and tax these companies on their turnover instead … Simplify the tax system and tax these companies on their turnover instead of profits, paying tax in each country they trade in.



that's never going to happen. I mean these tax havens and tax avoidance rules are specifically there for the rich and super rich to avoid/limit the tax they pay. guess who advises the UK government on tax law? you guessed it, its some of the private financial institutions/accountants, who, surprise surprise have the wealthy clients on their books. talk about conflict of interest.

EN1GMA

that's never going to happen. I mean these tax havens and tax avoidance … that's never going to happen. I mean these tax havens and tax avoidance rules are specifically there for the rich and super rich to avoid/limit the tax they pay. guess who advises the UK government on tax law? you guessed it, its some of the private financial institutions/accountants, who, surprise surprise have the wealthy clients on their books. talk about conflict of interest.



But if you simplify the tax laws then it makes it very difficult to create complex avoidance systems. If Apple sell a phone in France for 200 euros then they have to pay say 5% in tax so 10 euros to the French Inland Revenue. Very simple and difficult to manipulate.

donaldduck2

But if you simplify the tax laws then it makes it very difficult to … But if you simplify the tax laws then it makes it very difficult to create complex avoidance systems. If Apple sell a phone in France for 200 euros then they have to pay say 5% in tax so 10 euros to the French Inland Revenue. Very simple and difficult to manipulate.


im saying it wont happen because the rules are made by the rich and elite for the rich and elite.

EN1GMA

that's never going to happen. I mean these tax havens and tax avoidance … that's never going to happen. I mean these tax havens and tax avoidance rules are specifically there for the rich and super rich to avoid/limit the tax they pay. guess who advises the UK government on tax law? you guessed it, its some of the private financial institutions/accountants, who, surprise surprise have the wealthy clients on their books. talk about conflict of interest.



Its not just for the rich and super rich, I am just a one man band IT contractors and use an accountant to avoid as much tax as is possible within the current laws. I have never evaded a penny but have avoided plenty.

Dont hate the players hate the massively overlay complex system.

DKLS

Its not just for the rich and super rich, I am just a one man band IT … Its not just for the rich and super rich, I am just a one man band IT contractors and use an accountant to avoid as much tax as is possible within the current laws. I have never evaded a penny but have avoided plenty.Dont hate the players hate the massively overlay complex system.


The rules are for the benefit of the elite. Any benefits the general Joe gets, like yourself is a by product.

I'm not hating the players mate. Good for you that you have been able to play the system legally. I'm saying it's not in the interests of the elite to change the system.

donaldduck2

Simplify the tax system and tax these companies on their turnover instead … Simplify the tax system and tax these companies on their turnover instead of profits, paying tax in each country they trade in.


A good idea not just because of simplification, taxing profits punishes success and rewards inefficiency and failure. It's stupid to think of it as a "progressive" tax, a tycoon can own a crap business and pay nothing, but if a working class pension is invested in a successful business it gets taxed.

The US gov is claiming the Europeans are treating the Americans unfairly.?

They may have a point. Well the Americans consider themselves to be superior to any other peoples of the world. Their laws are to be respected by the world and if you break them even unknowingly they will and do extradite you. YOou Will go to jail because they force you to plea bargain or threaten you with life sentences.

They of course dont have to obey any laws in other countries.For example for years servicemen have raped women in Japan but dont face prosecution because silly Japanese laws dont apply to Americans working in Japan.


Apple's response - a pretty good one in my opinion.

The Irish government doesn't seem to be interested in getting the €13 billion, you'd think any government would, and both they and Apple will be appealing against this decision.

Banned

rogparki

Years of litigation, appeals etc to follow - Lawyers getting rich and the … Years of litigation, appeals etc to follow - Lawyers getting rich and the overpriced I Phones getting even more overpriced .



Well the very fact that prices are fixed with retailers suggests a massive FRAUD is already in place...
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yrreb88

Apple's response - a pretty good one in my opinion. .



Apart from the fact if you equate the salaries & taxation benefits from employees it goes no where near the sums due for a legitimate company trading

Maybe Apple could negotiate a deal with a Non EU member as a new base of operations and a good tax rate that would benefit Apple, while also giving that said country benefits of employment and revenue.

Now I wonder which country would be suitable for that hmmmmm.....?

haritori

Maybe Apple could negotiate a deal with a Non EU member as a new base of … Maybe Apple could negotiate a deal with a Non EU member as a new base of operations and a good tax rate that would benefit Apple, while also giving that said country benefits of employment and revenue.Now I wonder which country would be suitable for that hmmmmm.....?



No screw that.

1) We are still an EU Member
2) No amount of benefits offered by Apple with outweigh a 13B tax saving for them
3) Screw iOS

hooray henry

The US gov is claiming the Europeans are treating the Americans unfairly.?



That can't be right, the Americans love the EU and can't understand why we want to leave. They can have our nice warm seat at the table.

This tax thing is going to make Apple raise their prices, which is a shame as they were such good value.

yrreb88

Apple's response - a pretty good one in my opinion. The Irish government … Apple's response - a pretty good one in my opinion. The Irish government doesn't seem to be interested in getting the €13 billion, you'd think any government would, and both they and Apple will be appealing against this decision.



Of course they aren't interested, they had a plan to attract companies to invest in Ireland by lowering corporation tax, and lots of companies setup shop in Ireland, and what follows is further investment and jobs being created.
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