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    Are computer games just masking the reality of life?

    I sometimes feel gaming is just a way of getting away from the grim reality of life but not helping me to improve it. What's everyone's thoughts?

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    Isn't everything?

    Watching movies, listening to music, following sports and so on, they all do the same thing...

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    Certinfy

    Isn't everything?Watching movies, listening to music, following sports … Isn't everything?Watching movies, listening to music, following sports and so on, they all do the same thing...



    ​You could listen to music whilst applying for a better job though.

    Video games have always been Better Than Life....

    Why not try alcohol? It works for me

    Definitely. I often want to set sail for adventure. Free run over rooftops scale buildings. I would be too scared in real life. Benefits vs risk is too high. Plus it all takes years to master. I have not the years left nor patience. Long live gaming.

    If you feel that way then put more effort into leveling up your 'real' life.

    I'll just carrying on enjoying myself, S ranking Thumper.

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    Spenfica

    Video games have always been Better Than Life....



    ​What? better than leaving home and having a family?

    bkpatel

    Definitely. I often want to set sail for adventure. Free run over … Definitely. I often want to set sail for adventure. Free run over rooftops scale buildings. I would be too scared in real life. Benefits vs risk is too high. Plus it all takes years to master. I have not the years left nor patience. Long live gaming.



    I couldn't help but think of genital jousting on steam as I read that lol couldn't help myself.. But I fully agree with what u say

    to be fair if I hadn't **** about with a zx81 when I was a kid I wouldn't have had a career in IT

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    NotNickCave

    I couldn't help but think of genital jousting on steam as I read that lol … I couldn't help but think of genital jousting on steam as I read that lol couldn't help myself.. But I fully agree with what u say



    To be honest I've played for hours a night on games and realised its done nothing to improve my life at all. I ​could have updated my CV, applied for better jobs, sorted out my overwhelming CD collection, look for cheaper energy suppliers, sort my pension out, fixed the things in my house that's gone bad and helped my mum to do jobs but no I've done none of it. Just played games, games, games.

    Genital jousting, sounds interesting. Might be good at that but, would not like the human interaction element. LOL

    it's all a balance. I've replaced TV time with gaming, which I find is time better spent if I have to be home with the kids asleep upstairs. me and the wife take turns to go out in the evenings so we still get out plenty. and am a great advocate of mobile gaming which allows you to game in times you'd waste anyway like travelling, waiting on kids at activities, on the way to the next great or not so great adventure.
    if u spend all your free time doing it, it's going to do you more harm than good, especially mentally.
    I only really play games about stuff I can't do in reality, like shooting people in the face or flying through space. good escapism and feeds the imagination, though I suppose books do that too

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    To be honest I've played for hours a night on games and realised its done … To be honest I've played for hours a night on games and realised its done nothing to improve my life at all. I ​could have updated my CV, applied for better jobs, sorted out my overwhelming CD collection, look for cheaper energy suppliers, sort my pension out, fixed the things in my house that's gone bad and helped my mum to do jobs but no I've done none of it. Just played games, games, games.


    But its made you happy during that time. Right

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    bkpatel

    But its made you happy during that time. Right



    ​It did at the time, but look back and realise it's not helped me get out of my dead end job or improve my life. It's just escapism or sticking your head in the sand to hide from the bad things in life. So while it's fun it's hindered me to improve my life.

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    To be honest I've played for hours a night on games and realised its done … To be honest I've played for hours a night on games and realised its done nothing to improve my life at all. I ​could have updated my CV, applied for better jobs, sorted out my overwhelming CD collection, look for cheaper energy suppliers, sort my pension out, fixed the things in my house that's gone bad and helped my mum to do jobs but no I've done none of it. Just played games, games, games.



    You know what you need to do then. Better get off misc and get on with it.

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    moneysavingkitten

    You know what you need to do then. Better get off misc and get on with … You know what you need to do then. Better get off misc and get on with it.



    ​From today I think I shall.

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    ​What? better than leaving home and having a family?



    Can't think of much worse than having kids tbh, lol.

    different strokes for different folks.

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    To be honest I've played for hours a night on games and realised its done … To be honest I've played for hours a night on games and realised its done nothing to improve my life at all. I ​could have updated my CV, applied for better jobs, sorted out my overwhelming CD collection, look for cheaper energy suppliers, sort my pension out, fixed the things in my house that's gone bad and helped my mum to do jobs but no I've done none of it. Just played games, games, games.




    I've thought about it many times. Yes it's a waste of time but then if you take away all the stuff that you do that doesn't really improve your life then you just become a miserable sad sack.

    Gaming. Watch tv/films. Drinking so on and so on most things people enjoy in life are pretty pointless but life would be miserable without it.

    ritchiedrama

    different strokes for different folks.



    You're lucky you'll never concieve that way anyway.

    ritchiedrama

    Can't think of much worse than having kids tbh, lol.different strokes for … Can't think of much worse than having kids tbh, lol.different strokes for different folks.



    X)

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    jax619

    I've thought about it many times. Yes it's a waste of time but then if … I've thought about it many times. Yes it's a waste of time but then if you take away all the stuff that you do that doesn't really improve your life then you just become a miserable sad sack.Gaming. Watch tv/films. Drinking so on and so on most things people enjoy in life are pretty pointless but life would be miserable without it.



    ​Its probably a mid life thing.. I think of all the weekends and evenings I've wasted in my life playing games. It's been fun but not improved my life one bit. I've worked in a miserable job for years but instead of looking for something better, played a game on an evening and forgot about it. If I'd got my **** into gear I could have had a better job, more money, happier but I'll never know now.

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    ​Its probably a mid life thing.. I think of all the weekends and evenings … ​Its probably a mid life thing.. I think of all the weekends and evenings I've wasted in my life playing games. It's been fun but not improved my life one bit. I've worked in a miserable job for years but instead of looking for something better, played a game on an evening and forgot about it. If I'd got my **** into gear I could have had a better job, more money, happier but I'll never know now.



    The way I look at it is not everyone's supposed to get that better job or have a better life.

    The world needs balance, if everyone tried instead of being lazy or uninterested in bettering themselves. Them Then the world would be full of people that deserve better much life's but can't because there can't be great life's for everyone.

    So there needs balance and once you've figured out where on the scale you are meant to be then there's no point wasting time trying better yourself as that's just false you are where you are meant to be.

    That's my way at looking at it anyway.

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    jax619

    The way I look at it is not everyone's supposed to get that better job or … The way I look at it is not everyone's supposed to get that better job or have a better life.The world needs balance, if everyone tried instead of being lazy or uninterested in bettering themselves. Them Then the world would be full of people that deserve better much life's but can't because there can't be great life's for everyone. So there needs balance and once you've figured out where on the scale you are meant to be then there's no point wasting time trying better yourself as that's just false you are where you are meant to be.That's my way at looking at it anyway.



    ​I don't think it's false trying to better your quality of life. If you had a poorly paid job and can't afford to leave home then why not try and get a better job so you can do it. Everyone has potential to earn more or do more with our lives and only you can make that decision.

    Have a read of this and then think about it.

    Ecclesiastes

    The words of the congregator,*+ the son of David, the king in Jerusalem.+

     2  “The greatest futility!”* says the congregator,
    “The greatest futility! Everything is futile!”+

     3  What does a person gain from all his hard work
    At which he toils under the sun?+

     4  A generation is going, and a generation is coming,
    But the earth remains* forever.+

     5  The sun rises,* and the sun sets;
    Then it hurries back* to the place where it rises again.+

     6  The wind goes south and circles around to the north;
    Round and round it continuously circles; the wind keeps making its rounds.

     7  All the streams* flow into the sea, yet the sea is not full.+

    To the place from which the streams flow, there they return so as to flow again.+

     8  All things are wearisome;
    No one can even speak of it.

    The eye is not satisfied at seeing;
    Nor is the ear filled from hearing.

     9  What has been is what will be,
    And what has been done will be done again;
    There is nothing new under the sun.+

    10  Is there anything of which one may say, “Look at this—it is new”?

    It already existed from long ago;
    It already existed before our time.

    11  No one remembers people of former times;
    Nor will anyone remember those who come later;
    Nor will they be remembered by those who come still later.+

    12  I, the congregator, have been king over Israel in Jerusalem.+ 13  I set my heart to study and explore with wisdom+ everything that has been done under the heavens+—the miserable occupation that God has given to the sons of men that keeps them occupied.

    14  I saw all the works that were done under the sun,
    And look! everything was futile, a chasing after the wind.+

    15  What is crooked cannot be made straight,
    And what is lacking cannot possibly be counted.

    16  Then I said in my heart: “Look! I have acquired great wisdom, more than anyone who was before me in Jerusalem,+ and my heart gained a great deal of wisdom and knowledge.”+ 17  I applied my heart to knowing wisdom and to knowing madness* and to knowing folly,+ and this too is a chasing after the wind.

    18  For an abundance of wisdom brings an abundance of frustration,
    So that whoever increases knowledge increases pain.+

    video games are great fun but everyone should be creating something for real satisfaction

    It's down to you to decide how you escape from life but don't worry, it's healthy to have an escape. People play videogames, watch tv series/films, play football, go fishing, go cinema, go out with friends..... they are all escapes and they are exactly why you work, so you can earn these luxuries and the time you use. It may be that your life/work balance isn't as balanced as it should be and your career aspirations are becoming blurred and now you start to identify 'distractions' as to why you feel this way? If this is the case, look at what you want to do in the future and get at it!! whether it's retraining in college while working part time to work towards a better future or putting the time in to update your cv and look for a new job... don't worry about the challenge, accept it and be proud of the decision you make but stick by it and you will be content with your choices and where your at. I like to think that everyday is a challenge and i go out everyday to earn my timeout gaming, fishing and playing football. challenge yourself to be better tomorrow than you are today and look to the future choose a path to follow and visualise what you would like to accomplish in the next year and over the next 5 years.

    You shouldn't look for meaning to life but give meaning to your own life by ensuring you challenge yourself everyday. It's down to you to learn this over time. It's something that makes or breaks you, if you break then you learn from it and come back stronger!

    But never question gaming. Gaming is not like drinking, smoking or drugs. It doesn't destroy your life, it is simply a hobby. If it destroys your life then it's not gaming that's the problem, it's you that's the problem.

    Hope this helps friend.

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    I sometimes feel gaming is just a way of getting away from the grim … I sometimes feel gaming is just a way of getting away from the grim reality of life but not helping me to improve it. What's everyone's thoughts?

    Take 25% of your time to socialise with real people, then you can do a comparison. Real people are, say volunteering, care homes, hospitals, Sumaritans, community social groups,outreach programmes... but you need CRB or the new DBS (probably free with a charity) then social club/activities like: garden club, dancing, gym, nature trails...

    binda

    Have a read of this and then think about it.EcclesiastesThe words of the … Have a read of this and then think about it.EcclesiastesThe words of the congregator,*+ the son of David, the king in Jerusalem.+  2  “The greatest futility!”* says the congregator,“The greatest futility! Everything is futile!”+ 3  What does a person gain from all his hard workAt which he toils under the sun?+ 4  A generation is going, and a generation is coming,But the earth remains* forever.+ 5  The sun rises,* and the sun sets;Then it hurries back* to the place where it rises again.+ 6  The wind goes south and circles around to the north;Round and round it continuously circles; the wind keeps making its rounds. 7  All the streams* flow into the sea, yet the sea is not full.+To the place from which the streams flow, there they return so as to flow again.+ 8  All things are wearisome;No one can even speak of it.The eye is not satisfied at seeing;Nor is the ear filled from hearing. 9  What has been is what will be,And what has been done will be done again;There is nothing new under the sun.+10  Is there anything of which one may say, “Look at this—it is new”?It already existed from long ago;It already existed before our time.11  No one remembers people of former times;Nor will anyone remember those who come later;Nor will they be remembered by those who come still later.+12  I, the congregator, have been king over Israel in Jerusalem.+ 13  I set my heart to study and explore with wisdom+ everything that has been done under the heavens+—the miserable occupation that God has given to the sons of men that keeps them occupied. 14  I saw all the works that were done under the sun,And look! everything was futile, a chasing after the wind.+15  What is crooked cannot be made straight,And what is lacking cannot possibly be counted.16  Then I said in my heart: “Look! I have acquired great wisdom, more than anyone who was before me in Jerusalem,+ and my heart gained a great deal of wisdom and knowledge.”+ 17  I applied my heart to knowing wisdom and to knowing madness* and to knowing folly,+ and this too is a chasing after the wind. 18  For an abundance of wisdom brings an abundance of frustration, So that whoever increases knowledge increases pain.+


    That last line though "So that whoever increases knowledge increases pain" so true. Trying to get a graduate job nowadays is more pain having spent 4+ years getting a degree and getting to student loan debt just in the "hope" of getting that graduate job.

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    ​What? better than leaving home and having a family?


    You need to watch Red Dwarf

    hass123

    That last line though "So that whoever increases knowledge increases … That last line though "So that whoever increases knowledge increases pain" so true. Trying to get a graduate job nowadays is more pain having spent 4+ years getting a degree and getting to student loan debt just in the "hope" of getting that graduate job.


    A better interpretion of this is thus, I am just scratching the surface:-
    Knowledge is really memory storage in the brain cells, then the sensory receptors: eye, ears, nose, touch receive signals from the outside world plus (according to which belief systems that you believe) other senses or heart, then thoughts are made with memory which result in cognition or an interpretation of an event. It is this understanding that can be painful or happy. Therefore in life, one adage is, "see no evil, hear no evil , speak no evil". What Ecclesiastes is alluding to simply, is when you have knowledge of something you have pain (but the knowledge is not academic knowledge from university it is the knowledge of negativity like things you see, hear, speak, touch to do with hate, jealousy, envy, greed, gossip...and so on).
    .
    "Misc" here is particular rich in this example of knowledge, when a person hears, sees, listens some negativity or positivity, s/he posts here this knowledge, immediately people come in to comment from different angles, they will cause pain or happiness. It is so, what will be will be. More often than not this knowledge here causes pain...thus "So that whoever increases knowledge increases pain" in Ecclesiastes.

    Edited by: "splender" 13th Feb

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    To be honest I've played for hours a night on games and realised its done … To be honest I've played for hours a night on games and realised its done nothing to improve my life at all. I ​could have updated my CV, applied for better jobs, sorted out my overwhelming CD collection, look for cheaper energy suppliers, sort my pension out, fixed the things in my house that's gone bad and helped my mum to do jobs but no I've done none of it. Just played games, games, games.



    Do you have a wife and kids?

    From your last few threads sounds like your resenting gaming for doing nothing with your life.. still time to change that..

    But out of that list its interesting you did list spend time with wife and kids so I am going to assume you are single.. and possibly living at home with you mother still? I also base that assumption on the fact you somehow have hours a night to play games..
    Edited by: "haritori" 13th Feb

    Wasting your life gaming. Just stamp on it and grow up.

    Can somebody tell me what "hedonism" means please?

    Well I'm too sleepy to read through and join in but gut answer to your question is:
    Why not just go and do it for real?

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    haritori

    Do you have a wife and kids? From your last few threads sounds like your … Do you have a wife and kids? From your last few threads sounds like your resenting gaming for doing nothing with your life.. still time to change that..But out of that list its interesting you did list spend time with wife and kids so I am going to assume you are single.. and possibly living at home with you mother still? I also base that assumption on the fact you somehow have hours a night to play games..



    ​Ive actually been married 25 years and moved out of home when I was 23. I've a daughter who's growing up fast. I've just had plenty of time to game on an evening and weekend.

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    SLAMaLAMB

    It's down to you to decide how you escape from life but don't worry, it's … It's down to you to decide how you escape from life but don't worry, it's healthy to have an escape. People play videogames, watch tv series/films, play football, go fishing, go cinema, go out with friends..... they are all escapes and they are exactly why you work, so you can earn these luxuries and the time you use. It may be that your life/work balance isn't as balanced as it should be and your career aspirations are becoming blurred and now you start to identify 'distractions' as to why you feel this way? If this is the case, look at what you want to do in the future and get at it!! whether it's retraining in college while working part time to work towards a better future or putting the time in to update your cv and look for a new job... don't worry about the challenge, accept it and be proud of the decision you make but stick by it and you will be content with your choices and where your at. I like to think that everyday is a challenge and i go out everyday to earn my timeout gaming, fishing and playing football. challenge yourself to be better tomorrow than you are today and look to the future choose a path to follow and visualise what you would like to accomplish in the next year and over the next 5 years. You shouldn't look for meaning to life but give meaning to your own life by ensuring you challenge yourself everyday. It's down to you to learn this over time. It's something that makes or breaks you, if you break then you learn from it and come back stronger!But never question gaming. Gaming is not like drinking, smoking or drugs. It doesn't destroy your life, it is simply a hobby. If it destroys your life then it's not gaming that's the problem, it's you that's the problem. Hope this helps friend.



    ​I agree with a lot what you say and thanks for that. It's like setting a new goal or objective. I do think gaming however can be addictive like smoking or drinking. I would find it very difficult not to game for a couple of week. oO

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    ​Ive actually been married 25 years and moved out of home when I was 23. I … ​Ive actually been married 25 years and moved out of home when I was 23. I've a daughter who's growing up fast. I've just had plenty of time to game on an evening and weekend.


    You choose your leisure time. You just need to evaluate for yourself this structured category for illustration:-
    In the case of your interaction with the external world using your senses:-
    1 social interaction
    .
    ....i) physical (face to face)
    ....ii) digital (internet social network)
    .
    2 virtual interaction
    .
    ....i) you and virtuality (game )
    ....ii) simulation of yourself
    .
    3 imaginery interaction
    .
    4) functional interaction
    ....i) leisure
    ....ii) work

    As can be seen from the above, some interactions just involve your ego, some will have meanings with (real) others. It can be said that interactions with no-one is just "emptiness" which may come and go in existence (for you).

    Edited by: "splender" 13th Feb

    3guesses

    Can somebody tell me what "hedonism" means please?


    John Smyth, barrister can thrash out the meaning of hedonism to you.

    Sounds like you are going through an evaluation period. I wouldn't dwell too much on the past and think about what is important in your life right now and then go and make it happen. I game a lot and I am sure I could cut down, but I personally wouldn't stop fully.

    I have started reading a book recently called "Reality is Broken" by Jane McConigal. It explains the basic constructs of games and what the benefits are. It also draws a distinction between extrinsic rewards and intrinsic rewards. The former may be things like money, possessions and status. Whilst the latter is more important to human satisfaction and provides a more significant chemical response in the body and therefore is more rewarding.

    Activities that can provide with intrinsic rewards include: satisfying work, the experience or hope of being successful, social connection and meaningful activities or the chance to contribute to something larger than ourselves. We can often gain these in games, which is why playing them feels so satisfying. The problem is also that games are often designed to do this, but more often than not our working lives do not come close to providing us with equal reward when compared to games.

    Games can therefore be a good way of getting happiness and achieving intrinsic rewards, but we must also be careful as to how much we use them and have a balance in our lives, or at least be conscious of how we spend our time. I accept the time that I play games because it contributes my happiness and mental wellbeing.

    I am only 50 pages into the book but would recommend it to anyone who wishes to understand more about the psychology of games and how our body reacts to and benefits from the use of games. The premise of the book being that we need to implement more game-like rules in other areas of our lives so that we gain more satisfaction and reward.

    She defines a game as something that:
    1. has rules
    2. has a goal
    3. has a feedback system
    4. is performed voluntarily

    I could continue but will stop there.

    Personally I don't see the point of video games but that's just me.
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