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    Are we legitimately creating a Racist and Homophobic society

    but in the opposite direction? I am a great believer in free speech and free expression but I question whether we have allowed the balance to shift too far in favour of minority religous or sexual groups at the expense of the very freedom we have been trying for so long to create? If someone is gay, fine, no problem, their life choice but does it have to be so 'in your face', like the characters in the Pineapple Dance Studio programme that it smacks of "We can do whatever we want to and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it because we can hide behind the law and cry "Racist" or "Homophobe" as soon as you say anything against us". Surely everybody from whatever ethnic, religous or sexual group should be able to say what they wish against whomever without fear of reproach. I no longer feel we are on a fair two way street.

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    Supermod

    Nope. We are too PC, if anything.

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    i think the racists are open enough mate, nothing to worry about

    magicjay1986;8031538

    Nope. We are too PC, if anything.



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    magicjay1986;8031538

    Nope. We are too PC, if anything.



    How so?

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    Scotty Boy;8031553

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    no "Cheers, Scotty boy!!"

    or is this too serious?

    Surely everybody from whatever ethnic, religous or sexual group should be … Surely everybody from whatever ethnic, religous or sexual group should be able to say what they wish against whomever without fear of reproach.



    You're serious aren't you.

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    magicjay1986;8031538

    Nope. We are too PC, if anything.


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    Organisations like 'the gay police officers association', 'the black police officers association', Commision for racial (in)equality, Mobo awards etc etcjust shouldnt be allowed. Discrimination of the worst kind imho.

    Could you imagine the stink if there was a 'white police officers association' or 'white people music awards' :w00t:

    csiman;8031585

    Could you imagine the stink if there was a 'white police officers … Could you imagine the stink if there was a 'white police officers association' or 'white people music awards' :w00t:



    You're right, they should welcome white people and let them be active participants/winners.




    Oh wait!

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    csiman;8031585

    +1Organisations like 'the gay police officers association', 'the black … +1Organisations like 'the gay police officers association', 'the black police officers association', Commision for racial (in)equality, Mobo awards etc etcjust shouldnt be allowed. Discrimination of the worst kind imho. Could you imagine the stink if there was a 'white police officers association' or 'white people music awards' :w00t:



    Do you disagree with minority groups having representation of their views in society?

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    magicjay1986;8031538

    Nope. We are too PC, if anything.


    Exactly. We can't say anything to upset any minority group. It is a form of racism but it's the opposite way round.

    Supermod

    FilthAndFurry;8031555

    How so?



    I dont have time to go detail but have a read of this. Whilst I do not agree with everything it says, there are some very valid points...

    eadon.com/com…php

    IMHO if you give special treatment to minority groups you encouraging people not in those groups to be racist towards them!

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    magicjay1986;8031606

    I dont have time to go detail but have a read of this. Whilst I do not … I dont have time to go detail but have a read of this. Whilst I do not agree with everything it says, there are some very valid points...http://www.eadon.com/comment/pcorrect.php



    Badly written rubbish. Maybe you just bullet point what is wrong with political correctness? What do you even understand it to be?

    Supermod

    csiman;8031585

    +1Organisations like 'the gay police officers association', 'the black … +1Organisations like 'the gay police officers association', 'the black police officers association', Commision for racial (in)equality, Mobo awards etc etcjust shouldnt be allowed. Discrimination of the worst kind imho. Could you imagine the stink if there was a 'white police officers association' or 'white people music awards' :w00t:



    Exactly. Too afraid to speak up as the insulted is made to feel the insulter.

    What I hate, and this sounds absurd, is the use of the "N" word. Why is it OK for someone to rap about it or make reference to someone in society just because "they can".

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    kingy58;8031600

    Exactly. We can't say anything to upset any minority group. It is a form … Exactly. We can't say anything to upset any minority group. It is a form of racism but it's the opposite way round.



    Well that's absolute baloney. You can say pretty much anything you like in this country.

    magicjay1986;8031606

    I dont have time to go detail but have a read of this. Whilst I do not … I dont have time to go detail but have a read of this. Whilst I do not agree with everything it says, there are some very valid points...http://www.eadon.com/comment/pcorrect.php



    I have a lot of time for you, but 99% of that is such crap it's laughable.

    Supermod

    FilthAndFurry;8031634

    Badly written rubbish. Maybe you just bullet point what is wrong with … Badly written rubbish. Maybe you just bullet point what is wrong with political correctness? What do you even understand it to be?



    Hence why I say I do not agree with it all. I do not have the time.

    The crux of my point is that, as a nation, we would be afraid to question (or enter debate) with a minority as it would be perceived as a racially motivated attack.

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    magicjay1986;8031637

    Exactly. Too afraid to speak up as the insulted is made to feel the … Exactly. Too afraid to speak up as the insulted is made to feel the insulter. What I hate, and this sounds absurd, is the use of the "N" word. Why is it OK for someone to rap about it or make reference to someone in society just because "they can".



    Do you understand what 'context' is?

    'Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance'.:thumbsup:

    Supermod

    As example would be the re-writing of a black nursey rhyme...

    Last year, a nursery school in Aberdeen caused uproar, when teachers changed the lyrics to “Baa baa, happy sheep”.

    Margaret Morrissey, of the National Confederation of Parent Teachers Association, said: “It’s really sad. Children for generations have loved and enjoyed nursery rhymes and it’s very sad if adult political correctness doesn’t allow them to grow up in an unbiased world.”

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    csiman;8031585

    +1Organisations like 'the gay police officers association', 'the black … +1Organisations like 'the gay police officers association', 'the black police officers association', Commision for racial (in)equality, Mobo awards etc etcjust shouldnt be allowed. Discrimination of the worst kind imho. Could you imagine the stink if there was a 'white police officers association' or 'white people music awards' :w00t:



    that old tired argument, the police in general is the white police officers association

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    magicjay1986;8031652

    Hence why I say I do not agree with it all. I do not have the time. The … Hence why I say I do not agree with it all. I do not have the time. The crux of my point is that, as a nation, we would be afraid to question (or enter debate) with a minority as it would be perceived as a racially motivated attack.



    Well that's absolute rubbish too.

    It must be horrendous for you to go through life accepting whatever someone says as the 'truth' if they're a 'minority'.

    Or am I insulting the people in society who lack a backbone or cajones?

    My apologies to you and your brethren.

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    FilthAndFurry;8031598

    Do you disagree with minority groups having representation of their views … Do you disagree with minority groups having representation of their views in society?


    Basically, yes! The more people are encouraged to see themselves as separate from others, the more they will form separate identity groups, with separate interests. The more they are encouraged to see themselves as special-interest groups and – sometimes – as victims of oppression, the more a grievance industry will develop. And the more powerful and pervasive the grievance industry, the more grievances there will be. It’s a vicious multicultural circle.

    magicjay1986;8031666

    As example would be the re-writing of a black nursey rhyme...Last year, a … As example would be the re-writing of a black nursey rhyme...Last year, a nursery school in Aberdeen caused uproar, when teachers changed the lyrics to “Baa baa, happy sheep”. Margaret Morrissey, of the National Confederation of Parent Teachers Association, said: “It’s really sad. Children for generations have loved and enjoyed nursery rhymes and it’s very sad if adult political correctness doesn’t allow them to grow up in an unbiased world.”



    Did any black families ask for its removal/editing?

    Supermod

    FilthAndFurry;8031654

    Do you understand what 'context' is?'Tyranny is the deliberate removal of … Do you understand what 'context' is?'Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance'.:thumbsup:



    Context? I do not agree. It is more hypocritical to allow one person to call you a name which otherwise you would be offended.

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    magicjay1986;8031666

    As example would be the re-writing of a black nursey rhyme...Last year, a … As example would be the re-writing of a black nursey rhyme...Last year, a nursery school in Aberdeen caused uproar, when teachers changed the lyrics to “Baa baa, happy sheep”. Margaret Morrissey, of the National Confederation of Parent Teachers Association, said: “It’s really sad. Children for generations have loved and enjoyed nursery rhymes and it’s very sad if adult political correctness doesn’t allow them to grow up in an unbiased world.”



    I heard it was 'Baa, Baa, Rainbow Sheep', but that's the thing with urban legends.

    Someone starts spreading them and then 'normal' people start believing them, afraid to offend people who don't actually exist.

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    magicjay1986;8031681

    Context? I do not agree. It is more hypocritical to allow one person to … Context? I do not agree. It is more hypocritical to allow one person to call you a name which otherwise you would be offended.



    It absolutely isn't with a word like the n-word which has a very specific history.

    It's complicated, but it's worth looking into:thumbsup:

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    magicjay1986;8031681

    Context? I do not agree. It is more hypocritical to allow one person to … Context? I do not agree. It is more hypocritical to allow one person to call you a name which otherwise you would be offended.



    are you stupid? rappers using the "n" word are trying to reclaim it after white people used it as a derogatory term.

    it's not the same thing as when a white person uses the word through hate

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    csiman;8031671

    Basically, yes! The more people are encouraged to see themselves as … Basically, yes! The more people are encouraged to see themselves as separate from others, the more they will form separate identity groups, with separate interests. The more they are encouraged to see themselves as special-interest groups and – sometimes – as victims of oppression, the more a grievance industry will develop. And the more powerful and pervasive the grievance industry, the more grievances there will be. It’s a vicious multicultural circle.



    That (sadly) implies that you think society is equal and that the only things that cause divisions are these groups.

    In reality, they were set up to achieve balance in society. Whether they've gone to far is debatable in each case.

    Supermod

    thesaint;8031678

    Did any black families ask for its removal/editing?



    No. I am not saying that they did or that was the reason for it being changed. It obviously got to a stage where they assumed it was racist when it actually was not. Hence my comment that we are a too "PC" nation.

    Another example, we are having a mosque being built in our city. I think it is a FANTASTIC idea. Some questioned the necessity of the location (as in is it suitable) and our OWN regional newpaper questioned their beliefs and views. That is what I mean...people jump on the race bandwagon at every opportunity.

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    thesaint;8031678

    Did any black families ask for its removal/editing?



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    same thing with the Xmas debate. Stories just to grab headlines.

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    magicjay1986;8031711

    No. I am not saying that they did or that was the reason for it being … No. I am not saying that they did or that was the reason for it being changed. It obviously got to a stage where they assumed it was racist when it actually was not. Hence my comment that we are a too "PC" nation.



    I think we're too stupid as a nation, in that some people actually believe that 'Baa, Baa, Black Sheep' might actually offend anyone.

    magicjay1986;8031711

    No. I am not saying that they did or that was the reason for it being … No. I am not saying that they did or that was the reason for it being changed. It obviously got to a stage where they assumed it was racist when it actually was not. Hence my comment that we are a too "PC" nation. Another example, we are having a mosque being built in our city. I think it is a FANTASTIC idea. Some questioned the necessity of the location (as in is it suitable) and our OWN regional newpaper questioned their beliefs and views. That is what I mean...people jump on the race bandwagon at every opportunity.



    Just out of interest why do you think it is a fantastic idea for this particular mosque to be built?

    Supermod

    bykergrove;8031696

    are you stupid? rappers using the "n" word are trying to reclaim it after … are you stupid? rappers using the "n" word are trying to reclaim it after white people used it as a derogatory term.it's not the same thing as when a white person uses the word through hate



    ...it doesnt need reclaiming. If it is a derogatory term then why should they be trying to reclaim it?

    By reclaiming it it wouldnt make amends for the awful way in which they were treated so I see no reason in the need to keep it "alive".

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    FilthAndFurry;8031642

    Well that's absolute baloney. You can say pretty much anything you like … Well that's absolute baloney. You can say pretty much anything you like in this country.


    I don't believe you can any more. Say something derogatory against someone and you are branded a sexist, racist or homophobe. An example: female colleague wears low-cut top showing bit too much cleavage for an office. Manager comments on this to the individual re the effect on other workers and manager is then hit with a sexual harrassment charge and company sides with the individual.

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    monkey.nut;8031726

    Just out of interest why do you think it is a fantastic idea for this … Just out of interest why do you think it is a fantastic idea for this particular mosque to be built?



    so people can express there faith like going to mosque or church

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    kingy58;8031736

    Say something derogatory against someone and you are branded a sexist, … Say something derogatory against someone and you are branded a sexist, racist or homophobe.



    That's outrageous - someone saying something 'derogatory' is just plain rude or idiotic.

    Supermod

    monkey.nut;8031726

    Just out of interest why do you think it is a fantastic idea for this … Just out of interest why do you think it is a fantastic idea for this particular mosque to be built?



    Why? They contribute GREATLY to our society and it really angers me when they are "shut out" of communities.

    They are funding it themselves and they are not a tax burden on our community so why should they not be allowed to?

    There was an incident at our local University when a student was subjected to a verbal attack and that prompted a celebrity speaker (female, but her name escapes me) to hold a talk in our city labelling us a racist city!! From just one incident.

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    magicjay1986;8031735

    ...it doesnt need reclaiming. If it is a derogatory term then why should … ...it doesnt need reclaiming. If it is a derogatory term then why should they be trying to reclaim it? By reclaiming it it wouldnt make amends for the awful way in which they were treated so I see no reason in the need to keep it "alive".



    If they feel they want to reclaim it then who are you to decide it's a bad idea?

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    magicjay1986;8031735

    ...it doesnt need reclaiming. If it is a derogatory term then why should … ...it doesnt need reclaiming. If it is a derogatory term then why should they be trying to reclaim it? By reclaiming it it wouldnt make amends for the awful way in which they were treated so I see no reason in the need to keep it "alive".



    Are you being deliberately obtuse? Language is hugely important in society - if you can take away the power that a word has then you can take away the power that those who might use it would have.

    magicjay1986;8031758

    Why? They contribute GREATLY to our society and it really angers me when … Why? They contribute GREATLY to our society and it really angers me when they are "shut out" of communities. They are funding it themselves and they are not a tax burden on our community so why should they not be allowed to? There was an incident at our local University when a student was subjected to a verbal attack and that prompted a celebrity speaker (female, but her name escapes me) to hold a talk in our city labelling us a racist city!! From just one incident.



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