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    Are you working class? Middle class? Something else?

    ... and how do you decide?

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    Middle/ uppper

    Decided by what I wear, eat and who I decide to be friends with

    Banned

    bootom of the barrel, and what do you mena "how do i decide"

    working class me and i really hate it when people pretend to be betterthan they are especially towards me

    working class ofcourse-but i consider myself lucky that we always have enough money to be comfortable

    i am working class. working class people have to work to live, not live to work

    Working class and proud of it!

    working class

    Me I'm working class...................one of the people who supply the middle and upper class with money;-)

    I think anyone who posts here reguarly is at best working-middle class.

    The upper class wouldn't use a site like this, well maybe they would but it would be speed boats and ferraris etc.. not computer games and shopping vouchers for Tesco's.

    dinky.ben;2761557

    i am working class. working class people have to work to live, not live … i am working class. working class people have to work to live, not live to work



    Out of interest then, where would long-term benefits claimants fit on the class scale?

    Banned

    sassie;2761543

    bootom of the barrel, and what do you mena "how do i decide"



    jah128;2761598

    Out of interest then, where would long-term benefits claimants fit on the … Out of interest then, where would long-term benefits claimants fit on the class scale?



    does that help - lol

    sassie;2761602

    does that help - lol



    :giggle: (class.)

    crow99;2761594

    I think anyone who posts here reguarly is at best working-middle … I think anyone who posts here reguarly is at best working-middle class.The upper class wouldn't use a site like this, well maybe they would but it would be speed boats and ferraris etc.. not computer games and shopping vouchers for Tesco's.



    Upper class people are the most tight fisted people I've ever met at work:w00t:

    Original Poster

    Do values play a role?

    (btw, that's a very good answer jonnyq)

    Original Poster

    ilovepink;2761549

    working class me and i really hate it when people pretend to be better … working class me and i really hate it when people pretend to be better than they are especially towards me



    fox2020;2761611

    Upper class people are the most tight fisted people I've ever met at … Upper class people are the most tight fisted people I've ever met at work:w00t:



    Does this mean that working class values include things like honesty (being down to earth, approachable, etc) and generosity? Are there other values you associate with particular classes?

    jah128;2761598

    Out of interest then, where would long-term benefits claimants fit on the … Out of interest then, where would long-term benefits claimants fit on the class scale?



    the long term unemployment people are scroundgers class not working class lol. they cant be working class if they have never worked lol:w00t:

    dinky.ben;2761642

    the long term unemployment people are scroundgers class not working class … the long term unemployment people are scroundgers class not working class lol. they cant be working class if they have never worked lol:w00t:



    You might want to rephrase that - not all long-term claimants are scoungers; some have genuine reasons :x

    im upper class and yes i do think im better than all you scum
    lol

    i would actually class me as working class

    fox2020;2761611

    Upper class people are the most tight fisted people I've ever met at … Upper class people are the most tight fisted people I've ever met at work:w00t:



    That may be true but often they have people look for things for them and this site is very much about day to day offers which for the most part the upper class dont worry about.

    Dont get me wrong some of the people I've met with Coutts card are not who I would expect but dont think they would be regualr posters on a deals site like this.
    I might be wrong, if I am some posts (not BG's) will prove it.

    Also class is based around social perception and each classes view of the other class and what makes someone fit it will be different.
    Generally I think social upbrining, housing status, education staus, career and parent's career, social connections etc.. are we must people associate with class.
    I'm working class although as I have progressed through life have climbed a few rungs towards what people would 'percieve' as middle class but still working

    tornado5528;2761667

    You might want to rephrase that - not all long-term claimants are … You might want to rephrase that - not all long-term claimants are scoungers; some have genuine reasons :x



    thats why i put unemployemnt benifit people not disabled etc , i am talking the people who could work but dont and scrounge of everyone else paying for them

    Original Poster

    Maybe class is simply a matter of distinction...

    dcx_badass;2761752

    Personally I think that I'm middle class, but I don't think I'm better … Personally I think that I'm middle class, but I don't think I'm better than anyone else(unlike how omes across).



    i think i am better than some people - Neds (chavs to all you english)

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    jonnyq;2761781

    as in us distinguishing - or being unique / excellent?



    as in trying to distinguish ourselves from others, making distinctions, categorising, othering, setting ourselves apart...

    dinky.ben;2761642

    the long term unemployment people are scroundgers class not working class … the long term unemployment people are scroundgers class not working class lol. they cant be working class if they have never worked lol:w00t:



    What like gypsies?


    Ps nice avitar!:whistling:

    sassie;2761543

    bootom of the barrel, and what do you mena "how do i decide"



    Any room in that barrel for me too Sassie?? :-D


    Don't know if it comes under class, but unlike 99.9% of my neighbours round here, my 3 and 4.5 yr old are not allowed out of the garden to roam around the close, they are both bought up to respect their and others property and toys, and are in bed by 7-7.30pm, not left outside screaming round the houses till 10pm each night. So on those grounds, does that make me a better class of person than those, or just more responsible. I've never really thought about it like that :thinking:

    jah128;2761598

    Out of interest then, where would long-term benefits claimants fit on the … Out of interest then, where would long-term benefits claimants fit on the class scale?


    Id be in the barrel stacked below sassies:whistling:


    Now are you talking unemployment benefits or genuine sickness benefits as the latter applies to myself.

    Banned

    god me thinks we need to get a bigger barrel

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    Charlie&Lola;2761930

    Don't know if it comes under class, but unlike 99.9% of my neighbours … Don't know if it comes under class, but unlike 99.9% of my neighbours round here, my 3 and 4.5 yr old are not allowed out of the garden to roam around the close, they are both bought up to respect their and others property and toys, and are in bed by 7-7.30pm, not left outside screaming round the houses till 10pm each night. So on those grounds, does that make me a better class of person than those, or just more responsible. I've never really thought about it like that :thinking:



    Good question, and that's the kind of thinking I like. You are problematising the whole idea of class and thinking in terms of values rather than socio-economic status as most people do. It still seems to be about distinguishing ourselves from others in a way that puts us 'above' them in some way though, doesn't it? Even if we think in terms of socio-economic status, and we are 'bottom of the barrel' as sassie put it, we would still like to try and paint 'our' class as better than the other (e.g, they are tight / snobs etc).

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    Liddle ol' me;2762024

    Good question, and that's the kind of thinking I like. You are … Good question, and that's the kind of thinking I like. You are problematising the whole idea of class and thinking in terms of values rather than socio-economic status as most people do. It still seems to be about distinguishing ourselves from others in a way that puts us 'above' them in some way though, doesn't it? Even if we think in terms of socio-economic status, and we are 'bottom of the barrel' as sassie put it, we would still like to try and paint 'our' class as better than the other (e.g, they are tight / snobs etc).



    i try to not generalise anything to a degree, we are born and one die will die, some things matter and others dont, and what others have falls into the latter

    Which category of class do you consider yourself to be in Liddle ol' me? and is it a different class to your parents or family?

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    sassie;2762036

    i try to not generalise anything to a degree, we are born and one die … i try to not generalise anything to a degree, we are born and one die will die, some things matter and others dont, and what others have fall into the latter



    Hmmm... I like that, although you might exchange "others" for "we". If you don't include yourself you are still making a distinction (although I might be being a bit tooooooo pedantic on that point!)

    harlzter;2761985

    Id be in the barrel stacked below sassies:whistling: Now are you talking … Id be in the barrel stacked below sassies:whistling: Now are you talking unemployment benefits or genuine sickness benefits as the latter applies to myself.



    I wasn't really specifying but that was the point - in modern society any simplified definition of the classes (such as the working class being people who work for a wage/paid by the hour/do manual labour/are not university educated etc) can never really cover the whole of society. In reality the majority of people will now fall into what was traditional consider the middle class, but the distinctions are far more blurred than ever.

    Banned

    Liddle ol' me;2762067

    Hmmm... I like that, although you might exchange "others" for "we". If … Hmmm... I like that, although you might exchange "others" for "we". If you don't include yourself you are still making a distinction (although I might be being a bit tooooooo pedantic on that point!)



    yes i think you are, and maybe if you didnt continuall pick at things like that youde get a more open disussion

    working class...

    My background is working class for generations but if you're class is defined by occupation then I am now middle class.......however my friends say I can always be relied upon to lower the tone of the conversation so socially I'm still working class.

    Liddle ol' me;2762024

    Good question, and that's the kind of thinking I like. You are … Good question, and that's the kind of thinking I like. You are problematising the whole idea of class and thinking in terms of values rather than socio-economic status as most people do. It still seems to be about distinguishing ourselves from others in a way that puts us 'above' them in some way though, doesn't it? Even if we think in terms of socio-economic status, and we are 'bottom of the barrel' as sassie put it, we would still like to try and paint 'our' class as better than the other (e.g, they are tight / snobs etc).




    I don't think what possessions and cash you have dictates the class you are in. There are massive houses down the road from me, big detached ones with the big gates, you know the type, and the majority of those are owned by 'traveller' families that have tons of cash, but don't earn it in typical employment like most people do. So I don't think personal possessions can dictate what type of class you are, as I can't see how you can be classed as upper class because you have a massive house, 3 brand new cars etc when they've been earnt in illegal ways. And I certainly wouldn't say someone was lower class just because they didn't have much money or as big a house as other people.

    I generally think the social tags of classes are wrong, as to me, it's what the people are like that matters. You could have all the money in the world but still be a complete ****, yet the people that have less in this world are more often than not the first to be there to offer help or ones with which the best friendships can be formed, which to me means a lot more than what class someone is in.

    twinks;2762179

    So I'm working class and proud of it.



    No-one really says they are proud of being middle-class though - its almost as if being working class is a badge that many people aspire to but it doesn't really mean a lot...

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    caz1cool;2762038

    Which category of class do you consider yourself to be in Liddle ol' me? … Which category of class do you consider yourself to be in Liddle ol' me? and is it a different class to your parents or family?



    Good question. My parents come from what might is traditionally thought of as two different classes. My father's father died when he was young and his mother had a small corner shop in a poor area. My mother's father was an accountant in the days when accountants were well thought of, so they lived on the other side of the tracks. My father went on to do well for himself in business but maintains a strong sense of his working class background, and he privileges values such as honesty and hard work ('my word is my bond', that kind of thing). My mother's values are probably more concerned with distinction (looking the part, maintaining social distance, etc. etc.). As for me, having had the benefits of a privileged upbringing due to my Dad's relative wealth, I've always found it easy to move in middle-class circles. As I've got older and developed my own values, I'd say I have cherry-picked values from different social groups. I identify strongly with many working-class and middle-class values (or I should say values that have become associated with those so-called classes). But education is the most important 'value' to me today. I prefer not to consider myself as a member of one 'class', especially as I know that the middle class have unfair access to education. The working class value education too, or would do if they had equal access. Unfortunately, they are squeezed out of education and made to feel its not theirs to value - which is absolute nonsense of course. So in summary, perhaps I should say that my values are associated with education and with widening access to that particular value. That's a bit of a long answer :oops:

    jonnyq;2761581

    .. and how do you decide?perhaps we don't decide - others do that for us … .. and how do you decide?perhaps we don't decide - others do that for us we may be put into a particular bracket or we put ourself as 'higher' or 'lower' to appear a certain way factors such as - our parents' position / cultural backgroundeducationhow we speak social circleinterests / activities how much we earn / the way we spend our moneyour political views


    jah128;2762069

    I wasn't really specifying but that was the point - in modern society any … I wasn't really specifying but that was the point - in modern society any simplified definition of the classes (such as the working class being people who work for a wage/paid by the hour/do manual labour/are not university educated etc) can never really cover the whole of society. In reality the majority of people will now fall into what was traditional consider the middle class, but the distinctions are far more blurred than ever.


    jonnyq;2762081

    good point - for example, someone who may be considered working class may … good point - for example, someone who may be considered working class may have interests which are thought to be exclusively for the upper class what class of person you are (as mentioned, integrity, honesty etc.) is inevitably going to be linked to the system of class (working, middle, upper) - and you get stereotypes - but there are exceptions



    jonnyq;2761599

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIMzWHdKxPY&feature=related


    Excellent summaries in my opinion. Today it is impossible to define class in the old stereotypical terms. (see youtube link :thumbsup:) and in many ways the class distinctions are irrelevant. What is not irrelevant is that in this 'democratic' society the power elites are still firmly in command, the classes below the ruling classes may have freedom to discuss their standing and relevance in society but they have little more power to actually change the distribution of weatlh and privilege than in past centuries.

    i thought you were a 'member the intelligensia' - i didn't know you got a … i thought you were a 'member the intelligensia' - i didn't know you got a horse to ride on though - (i always thought it was a mason group) i would join but i would want a pony


    You might want a pony but is that because you have intuitively acknowledged your place?

    It may be now that education is the opium of the masses.

    Me?..................... I am just class.:thumbsup:
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