Backlog Of Post May Never Be Delivered

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Found 25th Sep 2009
What a joke, sack the lot of them.

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How can you sack a union? :?

And you wonder what there is no manufacturing the UK? I do support the idea of having a union to back you demand.. but they are getting greedy and we are loosing everything to China and than we start complaining??? loose loose situation

support for them rapidly dwindling

jamstaruk1972;6389845

support for them rapidly dwindling



+1 :thumbsup:

they just got rid of my hubby on medical retirement as he just had a hip operation (caused by the 12 mile he had to walk daily carrying heavy bags for them!) they sent the letter before he came out of hospital.the problem is they give the managers bonuses for keeping within an urealistic budget so they expect work to be done without paying overtime.and try to get everyone on part-time to save money.they treat the staff like ****

loubey;6389888

they just got rid of my hubby on medical retirement as he just had a hip … they just got rid of my hubby on medical retirement as he just had a hip operation (caused by the 12 mile he had to walk daily carrying heavy bags for them!) they sent the letter before he came out of hospital.the problem is they give the managers bonuses for keeping within an urealistic budget so they expect work to be done without paying overtime.and try to get everyone on part-time to save money.they treat the staff like ****



Can you pretend the letter didn't arrive?

It's not as if that never happens, is it?

(Present Company/hubby excluded, of course)


Sorry to hear of your situation.

I would discuss your case with a Citizen's Advice bureau &/or a Solicitor, as to dismiss an employee whilst they are absent due to illness may well be illegal (depending on your partner's contract of employment).

BFN,

fp.

fanpages;6390515

Can you pretend the letter didn't arrive?It's not as if that never … Can you pretend the letter didn't arrive?It's not as if that never happens, is it?(Present Company/hubby excluded, of course)Sorry to hear of your situation.I would discuss your case with a Citizen's Advice bureau &/or a Solicitor, as to dismiss an employee whilst they are absent due to illness may well be illegal (depending on your partner's contract of employment).BFN,fp.



thanks for the advice he his appealing against it (not that he really wants to work for them anymore) but they sent the letter by special delivery so cant deny we didnt receive it.i was just highlighting the plight of the postie within the royal mail.people should support the posties when they are treated so badly.of course no-one want to strike but roay mail dont seem to understand the word 'negotiate'

It was my daughter's 9th birthday this week and have been waiting 10 days now for delivery of 4 presents and I'm not pissing happy with the lot of em now it says they may never get here. Support the posties , well the ones i know around here that are always in the pub are lazy *******s and now take 3 hours longer to do their round now its not job and knock they told me this themselves.

Disgrace. I'm gonna write them a letter.

waterloo;6391497

It was my daughter's 9th birthday this week and have been waiting 10 days … It was my daughter's 9th birthday this week and have been waiting 10 days now for delivery of 4 presents and I'm not pissing happy with the lot of em now it says they may never get here. Support the posties , well the ones i know around here that are always in the pub are lazy *******s and now take 3 hours longer to do their round now its not job and knock they told me this themselves.



thats obviously an overstaffed area you live in then my o/h was often 2hrs later than the finish and didn't get o/t

its a lose-lose situation in my opinion.
the union is striking because of low or no pay
RM cannot give that due to lack of funds. Ok so you may put it down to the managers "bonuses" but I think even if all managers in RM worked for free, I doubt that it run the costs of overtime for more than 2 months (assuming that it is 100 workers to a manager and a bonus+wage is £100,000)

Personally, I feel that there is not enough workers or enough better-skilled workers (i.e not slackers) in RM. So (i think) what RM should do is reduce slackers in the workforce and give the money saved to workers. Or if there are no or little slackers, then it is time to put up the price and hire more workers.

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loubey;6389888

the problem is they give the managers bonuses for keeping within an … the problem is they give the managers bonuses for keeping within an urealistic budget so they expect work to be done without paying overtime.and try to get everyone on part-time to save money.they treat the staff like ****



I lose a bit of sympathy for these hard done by postmen when I see them sauntering around without a care in the world listening to their ipods, posting letters at gone 12. I think where a lot of the trouble has arisen from is that originally postmen were expected to do their rounds and then they could go home, so they bombed round at record speed, then horror of horrors RM wanted them to carry on work in the depot after they had done their round, ie to do a full days work so the postmen decided to slow right down on their rounds. The rest as they say, is history.

waterloo;6391497

It was my daughter's 9th birthday this week and have been waiting 10 days … It was my daughter's 9th birthday this week and have been waiting 10 days now for delivery of 4 presents and I'm not pissing happy with the lot of em now it says they may never get here. Support the posties , well the ones i know around here that are always in the pub are lazy *******s and now take 3 hours longer to do their round now its not job and knock they told me this themselves.



I've mentioned this a few times in past threads (so I apologise if I sound like I'm repeating myself)...

A month ago I sent a £20 GAME Voucher plus 2 birthday anniversary cards to my young nephew in a padded "jiffy bag". It went by Recorded Delivery & you could not tell what was in the padded envelope from the outside.

When it was delivered to my sister's house it had been ripped open & all the contents removed.

No present, & no cards for my nephew on "his" day.

It then took the Royal Mail a week to send out the claim form to my sister, who then forwarded it to me with the original bag so I could complete the form & send the bag back at the same time as my "evidence" (receipt from the Post Office counter). I was under the impression all this was computerised these days; surely the fact the item went by Recorded Delivery means there is a reference as to how much I paid. I have to include the original receipt of the item(s) that were stolen though. I hope these do not go "missing" in transit back to the claims department, or that is the last I've seen of my compensation. The delivery from my sister back to me took another week to reach me.

It is quicker to send stuff to the States that it is a few hundred miles across Britain!

...

I do feel sorry for the postal workers with their working conditions, but many people have to work unpaid overtime (me included). Many people in the UK are underpaid for their contributions at present (& not just because of the recession). We all feel undervalued too.

Nobody asks you to work for the Royal Mail. You choose to do it. If you don't like it, find work elsewhere. If you cannot find work elsewhere, then stay where you are. Some money coming in is better than no money coming in.

Such conditions are not exclusive to the Royal Mail.

I am trying not to be critical... and maybe I am not appreciating the whole situation, but it seems like the rest of the workforce in the UK has to deal with the problems others feel it necessary to strike over... and then they moan they are not paid enough.

If you choose not to turn up to work your employer doesn't make the same revenue that day.
If less revenue is made, there is less profit.
Less profit means less money to pay workers after Revenue & Customs take their cut at the end of the financial year (and the shareholders take their cut).

Less money for wages, in turn, means people feel the need to strike.
When people go on strike less work is done for their employer.
Ad infinitum until there is no money left to pay anybody.

Perhaps somebody could enlighten me if I have an incorrect understanding of how an employment business model works.

Thanks.

BFN,

fp.

loubey;6391402

thanks for the advice he his appealing against it (not that he really … thanks for the advice he his appealing against it (not that he really wants to work for them anymore) but they sent the letter by special delivery so cant deny we didnt receive it.i was just highlighting the plight of the postie within the royal mail.people should support the posties when they are treated so badly.of course no-one want to strike but roay mail dont seem to understand the word 'negotiate'



As I said above, I am not 'picking' on your situation; that is somewhat different, so please don't feel I was.

I know it must be difficult. I've been asked to leave places when the respective financial situation at those organisations has become worse & they cannot afford to keep their workforce.

Sometimes the negotiation has already happened at a higher level.

It may be it was an option to keep all the workers at half their salary, or keep half the workers at three-quarters of their salary, or some other combination.

I wish you & your family success with your appeal & I hope your partner is back to better health soon.

BFN,

fp.

Most people who comment or s_l_a_g the posties off don't even bother to to find out why they are striking, they think it is because they want more money, but that is not true, there is a number of reasons.

The work force is being slashed by tens off thousands, they now only take on part-timers, a lot of bullying by managers, bigger rounds, lapsing which is over-time with no extra pay, heavier bags and more parcels because off the internet, plus loads more reasons,just scrathing the surface here.. Our postie has up to 8 bags of mail most days, so before you s-l-a-g them off get the facts..

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ukmonkey;6395156

Most people who comment or s_l_a_g the posties off don't even bother to … Most people who comment or s_l_a_g the posties off don't even bother to to find out why they are striking, they think it is because they want more money, but that is not true, there is a number of reasons.The work force is being slashed by tens off thousands, they now only take on part-timers, a lot of bullying by managers, bigger rounds, lapsing which is over-time with no extra pay, heavier bags and more parcels because off the internet, plus loads more reasons,just scrathing the surface here.. Our postie has up to 8 bags of mail most days, so before you s-l-a-g them off get the facts..



If you dont like your job, get another one, dont hold the country to ransom I think is the thoughts of most people

i used to work @ royal mail and a manager and a supervisor were sacked after a 4 year investigation the manager was able to buy a property in spain with the proceeds of theft

in the old days they could do job and finish, which meant rushing around like headless chickens for 4 hours, then going home claiming for 8 hours, which is good work if you can get it. Who would like that, blimey i'd go in rush round for 4 hours do all my work & claim the 8 hours im paid for...............i think not, time for the posties to enter the real world, you get paid 8 hours work you do 8 hours work.simple's !

next !

richp;6396187

in the old days they could do job and finish, which meant rushing around … in the old days they could do job and finish, which meant rushing around like headless chickens for 4 hours, then going home claiming for 8 hours, which is good work if you can get it. Who would like that, blimey i'd go in rush round for 4 hours do all my work & claim the 8 hours im paid for...............i think not, time for the posties to enter the real world, you get paid 8 hours work you do 8 hours work.simple's !next !



yes but then they increase the rounds and still expect you to do it within time and no paid o/t so you get paid 8hrs and do 10hr not quite so simples

richp;6396187

in the old days they could do job and finish, which meant rushing around … in the old days they could do job and finish, which meant rushing around like headless chickens for 4 hours, then going home claiming for 8 hours, which is good work if you can get it. Who would like that, blimey i'd go in rush round for 4 hours do all my work & claim the 8 hours im paid for...............i think not, time for the posties to enter the real world, you get paid 8 hours work you do 8 hours work.simple's !next !



posties start at 5.45am and sort mail till 10am and the rounds are 4 hours long so how can they do all that in 4 hours when they don't get out of the office till 10?:roll:

richp;6396187

in the old days they could do job and finish, which meant rushing around … in the old days they could do job and finish, which meant rushing around like headless chickens for 4 hours, then going home claiming for 8 hours, which is good work if you can get it. Who would like that, blimey i'd go in rush round for 4 hours do all my work & claim the 8 hours im paid for...............i think not, time for the posties to enter the real world, you get paid 8 hours work you do 8 hours work.simple's !next !



also the way it used to work with job and finish was yes on some days if it was a bit quiet they could finish early (not often) but at busy times ie xmas they used to work on a hell of a lot more .they dont mind working their 8 hrs but if they do more than that on a regular basis they should be paid for it

the postmen cant expect it all the cuts are needed if they are not made there will be no rm they are talking about bonuses i didnt hear them complaining when they rm were doing well and they were recieving bonuses

Sack em all. (Not my view just what people want when they get sick of waiting)

When post is late or does not turn up at all people get sick of you a lot sooner and any sympathy vanishes quicker than money sent through the post.

dontasciime;6397189

Sack em all. (Not my view just what people want when they get sick of … Sack em all. (Not my view just what people want when they get sick of waiting)When post is late or does not turn up at all people get sick of you a lot sooner and any sympathy vanishes quicker than money sent through the post.



Yeah good idea, sack em all and then see what happens to the country's postal system and the prices we will have to pay..

poor posties ......not

i wouldnt mind paying more if every letter or parcel i sent wasnt smashed up or nicked .oh but the only way my post gets there is if i pay £6. royal mails a joke

csamual;6397979

i wouldnt mind paying more if every letter or parcel i sent wasnt smashed … i wouldnt mind paying more if every letter or parcel i sent wasnt smashed up or nicked .oh but the only way my post gets there is if i pay £6. royal mails a joke



So every letter and parcel you have sent has either been smashed up or stolen? :thinking:

its a service if i went to a restaurant and had a very bad meal every time i went there would i keep going ???would you ??? would i feel sorry for the cooks if they had to close down .no cause the service is really bad

csamual;6398504

its a service if i went to a restaurant and had a very bad meal every … its a service if i went to a restaurant and had a very bad meal every time i went there would i keep going ???would you ??? would i feel sorry for the cooks if they had to close down .no cause the service is really bad



What the deuce! :?

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csamual;6397979

i wouldnt mind paying more if every letter or parcel i sent wasnt smashed … i wouldnt mind paying more if every letter or parcel i sent wasnt smashed up or nicked .oh but the only way my post gets there is if i pay £6. royal mails a joke



Indeed, its got to the point now where you have to pay extortionate amounts in order to ensure someone from the post office doesnt steal your stuff, ridiculous

thats my point its a joke. saints a postie :whistling:

iNSOMANiAC;6398564

Indeed, its got to the point now where you have to pay extortionate … Indeed, its got to the point now where you have to pay extortionate amounts in order to ensure someone from the post office doesnt steal your stuff, ridiculous



Yes, I think 97%* of the mail is stolen.

Sack them all.

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*real figures[/COLOR]

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thesaint;6398768

Yes, I think 97%* of the mail is stolen. Sack them … Yes, I think 97%* of the mail is stolen. Sack them all.[COLOR="Silver"]*real figures[/COLOR]



no 97% of post probably gets through, its the 3% that looks valuable and isnt recorded that gets nicked.

loubey;6389888

they just got rid of my hubby on medical retirement as he just had a hip … they just got rid of my hubby on medical retirement as he just had a hip operation (caused by the 12 mile he had to walk daily carrying heavy bags for them!) they sent the letter before he came out of hospital.the problem is they give the managers bonuses for keeping within an urealistic budget so they expect work to be done without paying overtime.and try to get everyone on part-time to save money.they treat the staff like ****



sorry???? was he told at the interview he would be carrying 4 letters and to be delivered next door to the sorting office!

Surely he must have expected to be carrying heavy sacks of mail and covering a good few miles on his run - he was a postman wasnt he?

i had to serve a customer today ........ wheres the union at

Why don't we just go back to Carrier Pigeons? :-D
They don't strike, don't need wages, don't complain. although it would need like a whole flock of birds for items like TV's, but it's the best choice

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DarkKnight;6399012

Why don't we just go back to Carrier Pigeons? :-DThey don't strike, don't … Why don't we just go back to Carrier Pigeons? :-DThey don't strike, don't need wages, don't complain. although it would need like a whole flock of birds for items like TV's, but it's the best choice



on the plus side, it would get here quicker and would be less damaged

iNSOMANiAC;6399028

on the plus side, it would get here quicker and would be less damaged



True, Pigeons can fly up to around 50-55Mph so sending it would only take a few hours for post to get at least half way across the UK

DarkKnight;6399012

Why don't we just go back to Carrier Pigeons? :-DThey don't strike, don't … Why don't we just go back to Carrier Pigeons? :-DThey don't strike, don't need wages, don't complain. although it would need like a whole flock of birds for items like TV's, but it's the best choice



Slight flaw when homing pigeons are used instead
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