Bad taste or ignorance or taken out of context Topman 96 T Shirt

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Found 15th Mar
Oh dear Topman are you for real or does this mean something different from the meaning that was intended or is it fake? How did it pass the design team or does the actual design refer to something else, I doubt it or if it does then what as the rose is throwing me a little (Hillsborough seats with roses, 96 roses from the families) could be fake and some one is taking the mick.
I noticed this earlier and its now news in the Liverpool Echo and assume other news teams will pick it up very soon.

So is it in bad taste, should it be removed or do you think its fake. If its not meant to be aimed at the Hillsborough 96 then what could it mean and the rose, whats that all about? Or look at it another way, is it for the 96 not against them and the karma bit and what goes around aimed at the authorities.


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Very bad taste IMO
Always offended
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Italian Design?
Always offended
Original Poster
I have just seen on twitter that some are saying its meant to be a Bob Marley song or reference too but come one, its a red shirt, white numbers, 96, karma and what goes around, taken out of context most probably but still bad taste.
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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals2 m ago

Always offended


yes you are I have read some of your replies to posts
caverncity1 m ago

I have just seen on twitter that some are saying its meant to be a Bob …I have just seen on twitter that some are saying its meant to be a Bob Marley song or reference too but come one, its a red shirt, white numbers, 96, karma and what goes around, taken out of context most probably but still bad taste.


Why?
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MSK.5 m ago

Why?


what bob marley or bad taste, if you mean marley I havent a clue. I think they may have just got a little moan if it just said 96 with a red shirt and white numbers, its the fact they have added karma and what goes around that is rattling people. Does seem an odd design though considering?
Edited by: "caverncity" 15th Mar
Banned
Couldn't care less TBH!
caverncity5 m ago

I have just seen on twitter that some are saying its meant to be a Bob …I have just seen on twitter that some are saying its meant to be a Bob Marley song or reference too but come one, its a red shirt, white numbers, 96, karma and what goes around, taken out of context most probably but still bad taste.


What isn't taken out of context and offends people these days?
caverncity2 m ago

havent a clue.


I'm sure you do, you posted a thread about it being offensive. Unfortunately as with most subtle things, the meaning has passed me by.

Unless it's the ginger and red combo which you find offensive to the eye.
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MSK.3 m ago

I'm sure you do, you posted a thread about it being offensive. …I'm sure you do, you posted a thread about it being offensive. Unfortunately as with most subtle things, the meaning has passed me by.Unless it's the ginger and red combo which you find offensive to the eye.


I stupidly assumed you meant the marley bit then realised you didnt so edited my reply
caverncity5 m ago

I stupidly assumed you meant the marley bit then realised you didnt so …I stupidly assumed you meant the marley bit then realised you didnt so edited my reply


I guess it might be offensive if you were personally involved. Meant absolutely nothing to me until i reread your opening post though.

Even looking it up I was confused, because it happened in 1989. But i see there were 96 casualties:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wik…ter

I think that's pretty specialist knowledge to be honest.
I doubt if anything untoward was intended with the design of the t shirt. The 95 one might offend someone though

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Very bad taste IMO
Predikuesi10 m ago

I doubt if anything untoward was intended with the design of the t shirt. …I doubt if anything untoward was intended with the design of the t shirt. The 95 one might offend someone though [Image]


Bless, you couldn't help yourself.
RedLozzer6 m ago

Bless, you couldn't help yourself.


Thanks, you too.
Original Poster
Some people will be offended and some won't, same as the h&m monkey t shirt , some offended and some like me not, I did find it strange though and knew there would be an uproar somewhere. I suppose It's only offensive if it means something to you or could mean something that it might refer to. I don't think it does have any reference but to me it's a very odd design that if it doesn't have any reference to Hillsborough then it's been made in bad taste and surprised it got passed.
If I had seen it on the topman website I would probably have just scrolled straight past it as I would not have liked it for start, it's only when somebody else sees something and points it out to you, you then look at it more and see what they see and possibly agree with them or try and justify it. As I said I highly doubt it has anything to do with the 96 but it's a bit too close for comfort, if it was blue then it would probably have not raised an eyebrow or would it?
Edited by: "caverncity" 15th Mar
caverncity20 m ago

Some people will be offended and some won't, same as the h&m monkey t …Some people will be offended and some won't, same as the h&m monkey t shirt , some offended and some like me not, I did find it strange though and knew there would be an uproar somewhere. I suppose It's only offensive if it means something to you or could mean something that it might refer to. I don't think it does have any reference but to me it's a very odd design that if it doesn't have any reference to Hillsborough then it's been made in bad taste and surprised it got passed.If I had seen it on the topman website I would probably have just scrolled straight past it as I would not have liked it for start, it's only when somebody else sees something and points it out to you, you then look at it more and see what they see and possibly agree with them or try and justify it. As I said I highly doubt it has anything to do with the 96 but it's a bit too close for comfort, if it was blue then it would probably have not raised an eyebrow or would it?


I've been thinking about it a bit more, i guess you could interpret the karma part a few ways. It could be karma it happened to those supporters, or karma for those supporters, perhaps on the organisers of the event.

I suppose i don't believe they think so deeply about these things at Topshop though. They are known for nicking bits and pieces from band t-shirts etc do the Bob Marley bit kind of makes sense.
69 reference? '96 - what goes around comes around'....

Or maybe its a reference to England losing on pens to Germany in Euro 96...Southgate out for revenge at the World Cup.

Either way, not done in the best possible taste.
The families of victims are only seeing this because of screeching idiots on social media getting their narcissistic kicks.

A discreet email to Topman explaining the problem would probably have led to the item being quietly removed from the shelves, whether it was an honest mistake or something sinister.

Instead it's now sold out to trolls, and thousands are deeply upset, all because of unthinking morons in love with the sound of their keyboard strokes who are a thousand times more clueless than Topman themselves #BOYCOTTSOCIALMEDIA
Clearly some kind of reference to Hillsborough.
Anyone disputing that is just arguing for the sake of it, or oblivious.

Not sure if it's in poor taste or what the motive is.
Original Poster
Maybe sold out today but doesn't mean they will get them if topman decide to withdraw it but I bet you will see one or two at the next Liverpool match as a sick dig. Also I heard someone did email topman and they said it's in reference to a Bob Marley song but the title isn't the same and what has 96, a red shirt and a rose have to do with Bob. I think it could mean the other way, it's for the 96 but that's just a thought only topman know what it means, it could also mean nothing.
local news says it could be something to do with tupac who died in 96, either way it is a bit insensitive
Edited by: "ding" 15th Mar
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ding11 m ago

local news says it could be something to do with tupac who died in 96, …local news says it could be something to do with tupac who died in 96, either way it is a bit insensitive


It's the rose and shirt colour that doesn't help it's cause and the two slogans, however after reading your comment I noticed on the net there are tupac shirts in red but also in other colours so not convinced with Marley or tupac. Also this "Ms Brookes, whose 26-year-old brother died at the stadium, said the phrases "karma" and "what goes around comes around" were used by some rival fans who claimed Hillsborough was "God's punishment" for the Heysel disaster in which 39 mostly-Juventus fans died at a match against Liverpool.
She also said the red colour, the number 96 and the rose were all symbols she associated with Hillsborough"
It's also a white rose, which is the symbol of Yorkshire (it happened in Sheffield if anyone is not aware).

It's all very co-incidental if it has some other meaning.
caverncity9 h, 44 m ago

I have just seen on twitter that some are saying its meant to be a Bob …I have just seen on twitter that some are saying its meant to be a Bob Marley song or reference too but come one, its a red shirt, white numbers, 96, karma and what goes around, taken out of context most probably but still bad taste.


"What Goes Around Comes Around"; released in 1996 (fifteen years after Marley's death)...

[ songlyrics.com/bob…cs/ ]

"...What goes around comes around
What goes up must come down
It's called Karma baby and it goes around
What goes around comes around

What goes up must come down
Now who's cryin', desirin' to come back to me..."

Note that the shirt's lettering actually says "WHAT GOES around comes back around" & that is not a direct quote of Marley's lyrics.

Justin Timberlake, within the last chorus, however...

[ songlyrics.com/jus…cs/ ]

"...What goes around comes back around.
I thought I told ya, hey..."


NSYNC (JustiN, ChriS, JoeY, JasoN, & JC) formed in 1995, but their first single, "I Want You Back", was released in 1996.
Where's the deal I want one
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Tikky1112 h, 25 m ago

Where's the deal I want one


Try eBay I can guarantee they will be on there for quadruple the price.
Y'all a sensitive and dramatic bunch
What goes around comes around are the song lyrics chanted by rival fans towards lfc basically saying Hillsborough was gods way of revenge for the Heysel Stadium disaster in which 39 fans died 600 were injured when fans were crushed against a wall that then collapsed during the European Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus.

Its poor taste and the coincidences can't be just that.

However on a side note it's not nice how the Heysel disaster has been forgotten about by not just lfc but England, many times we see Italy pay tribute not just when they play England, but we see nothing when Italy visit England.

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Snakeyes64640 m ago

What goes around comes around are the song lyrics chanted by rival fans …What goes around comes around are the song lyrics chanted by rival fans towards lfc...


So Topman's shirt text was just wrong if it was a reference to this as it included the word "back"?
Original Poster
Anyway its been withdrawn from stores and their website. An official from Topman saying its was in reference to a Bob Marley song re released in 1996 "What goes around comes around" (I can see that going in the download charts this week). Might have been more believable if it didnt say "What goes around comes back around" which is what the Timberlake song says and the shirt didnt look like a football shirt and a Justice 96 shirt and should have been in rasta colours and didnt have a white rose on the front and a rose on the back. Bob Marley song yeah right. They should have said one of their designers did it for the the 96 in respect but even that would not have gone down well either. And yes I know it wont have been soley aimed at Hillsborough but way too many coincidences for it not to be ignored. Oh well onto the next news.
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fanpages6 m ago

So Topman's shirt text was just wrong if it was a reference to this as it …So Topman's shirt text was just wrong if it was a reference to this as it included the word "back"?


and so was topmans explanation about the wording saying it was a Marley song
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caverncity16 m ago

and so was topmans explanation about the wording saying it was a Marley …and so was topmans explanation about the wording saying it was a Marley song



Has there been an official press release about the garment being withdrawn from sale?
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fanpages6 m ago

Has there been an official press release about the garment being withdrawn …Has there been an official press release about the garment being withdrawn from sale?



liverpoolecho.co.uk/new…024

only says on that link up to now but it doesnt say who they actually apologised too or where the apology exactly came from.
Edited by: "caverncity" 16th Mar
fanpages10 m ago

Has there been an official press release about the garment being withdrawn …Has there been an official press release about the garment being withdrawn from sale?



caverncity7 m ago

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/topman-explains-controversial-96-shirt-14419024



I have seen many media outlets pick up on the story, but not the actual statement released by Topman.

All reports seem to be quoting from a statement, or from a conversation with a spokesperson for Topman, but I have not seen the original document.

Have you?

PS. (taken from the below text in the article you posted) "...re-release"? Topman have not even got that information correct!

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...This morning a spokesperson for Topman told the ECHO: “Topman apologises unreservedly for any offence caused by this t-shirt. The design was inspired by a Bob Marley track with the number referring to the year of re-release. The garment has been removed from sale online and in stores.”
Edited by: "fanpages" 16th Mar
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fanpages4 m ago

I have seen many media outlets pick up on the story, but not the actual …I have seen many media outlets pick up on the story, but not the actual statement released by Topman.All reports seem to be quoting from a statement, or from a conversation with a spokesperson for Topman, but I have not seen the original document.Have you?PS. (taken from the below text in the article you posted) "...re-release"? Topman have not even got that information correct!---...This morning a spokesperson for Topman told the ECHO: “Topman apologises unreservedly for any offence caused by this t-shirt. The design was inspired by a Bob Marley track with the number referring to the year of re-release. The garment has been removed from sale online and in stores.”


nope not seen anything "official" just the Echo story and I'm guessing either Topman contacted them because the Echo emailed Topman or its just hearsay from another source.
Edited by: "caverncity" 16th Mar
Agree with themachman. In bad taste. No connection with Bob Marley/Jamaica on the Tshirt but plenty of references
for Liverpool.
Hopefully Topman will make a donation for the victims fund.
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