Found 6th Sep 2016
Can anyone tell me if I would need a licence to do the following:

1. Stream or download programmes live at home where a person already has a tv licence?

2. Stream or download programmes on IPad or iPhone or android devices at a different address with no tv licence - at work address using their broadband for instance?

3. Stream or download programmes on iPad or iPhone or android devices whilst not plugged in and using internal batteries only?

4. Streaming or downloading bbc content through third party apps such as: Kodi, moviebox, cinema box, tv player, tv catchup, etc

5. Stream or download programmes on iPad or iPhone or android devices whilst plugged into mains electricity?

6. Stream or download programmes on iPad or iPhone or android devices whilst charging from my computer keyboard?

7. Stream or download programmes on iPad or iPhone or android devices whilst using a vpn?

I am completely confused so if someone could explain what I can or can't do that would be fantastic

Thank you

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what does it matter? the bbc are not going to know.

Original Poster

They are going to trace ip addresses

Ger73

They are going to trace ip addresses



Yeah of course they are. They have a database of all ip addresses who don't own a TV licence. Those TV detector vans are also getting swanky conversions so they can locate exactly which house has a router that is receiving BBC content.

You're not gonna get caught, the only people who have been fined for not paying the TV tax have been ridiculously stupid.

Edited by: "Paddy_o_furniture" 6th Sep 2016

1 , allowed
2 not
3 needs licence
4 prob needs licence or aren't legal anyway
5 needs licence
6 needs licence
7 needs licence
that's my interpretation.
doesn't matter if plugged in anymore, you need a licence to watch live, not for time shifted, if at someone else's who has a licence you could use there's.

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eternaldragonuk

1 , allowed2 not3 needs licence4 prob needs licence or aren't legal … 1 , allowed2 not3 needs licence4 prob needs licence or aren't legal anyway5 needs licence6 needs licence7 needs licencethat's my interpretation.doesn't matter if plugged in anymore, you need a licence to watch live, not for time shifted, if at someone else's who has a licence you could use there's.



And what if I download content to iPad turn off wifi unplug iPad and watch on bbc iplayer programmes do I need tv licence then?

Yes you now need a licence to watch anything on iplayer
Simples

What is it £2 a week ? why all the hand wringing ? How much is Sky ? Worth it my view and always has been .

rogparki

What is it £2 a week ? why all the hand wringing ? How much is Sky ? … What is it £2 a week ? why all the hand wringing ? How much is Sky ? Worth it my view and always has been .



You have the choice as to whether or not you pay for Sky.

I've got a question. If I'm in a field with a friend and we watch iPlayer together would we both need to have a licence for us not to be breaking any rules/laws? What if I have a licence but my friend doesn't? Are they committing an offence or am I for allowing it?

rogparki

What is it £2 a week ? why all the hand wringing ? How much is Sky ? … What is it £2 a week ? why all the hand wringing ? How much is Sky ? Worth it my view and always has been .



Yeah. If you're going to use it then be responsible and pay for it whatever the technicalities are.

Ger73

And what if I download content to iPad turn off wifi unplug iPad and … And what if I download content to iPad turn off wifi unplug iPad and watch on bbc iplayer programmes do I need tv licence then?



​i don't use iPlayer, I didn't know it had an offline/watch later feature.

rogparki

What is it £2 a week ? why all the hand wringing ? How much is Sky ? … What is it £2 a week ? why all the hand wringing ? How much is Sky ? Worth it my view and always has been .



Give me £2 a week if it means that little too you ;).

Paddy_o_furniture

You have the choice as to whether or not you pay for Sky.


As of course you have with BBC .

rogparki

As of course you have with BBC .


But that's not true. If I only wanted to watch ITV I'd still have to pay the TV tax.

The law changed this month, you need a licence for watching live AND on-demand stuff. Previously, you were allowed to watch anything that was not 'on TV right now' for free.

As I understand it, legally, you need a licence however you are viewing iplayer content.

shauneco

Give me £2 a week if it means that little too you ;).


And how much a week do you spend on gaming ? In comparison £2 a week for an educated insight into current affairs etc seems cheap to me when put against living in a fantasy world provided by expensive games . But maybe that's just my view oO

shauneco

Give me £2 a week if it means that little too you ;).


Send me your bank details and I gladly would . (don't forget the long number on your card , expiry date and security number )

Students don't need license in accommodation as long as their parents have one

it's simple..if you don't want to pay for it, don't use it...why do people get so worked up? If you don't think you should pay for it, then tell me why you think you should get it for nothing? Blimey you don't say "oh I don't agree with road fund so I m not paying " There's no automatic right to watch TV. Just pay and watch, or don't pay and do something else. Stop whining it's £2 a week for Years sake.

Haliviel

it's simple..if you don't want to pay for it, don't use it...why do … it's simple..if you don't want to pay for it, don't use it...why do people get so worked up? If you don't think you should pay for it, then tell me why you think you should get it for nothing? Blimey you don't say "oh I don't agree with road fund so I m not paying " There's no automatic right to watch TV. Just pay and watch, or don't pay and do something else. Stop whining it's £2 a week for Years sake.



If I want to drive a car, I accept I pay road fund. If I want to watch the TV (but not content from the BBC) why should I have to pay the TV licence?

Paddy_o_furniture

If I want to drive a car, I accept I pay road fund. If I want to watch … If I want to drive a car, I accept I pay road fund. If I want to watch the TV (but not content from the BBC) why should I have to pay the TV licence?


The law says you have to - but that does not mean you have to - it just means if you dont and get caught you risk getting a fine. I see it as an anti-social thing. Do you expect to be paid for your work? Surely, people who work in the media industry deserve to be paid?

Make it fair and up to date
and
Opt in NOT OUT that's the issue for most of us

IP address can be traced if you know what your doing , they can even find out what you watched it on , its like leaving your finger prints at a crime scene , Use a Proxy Server like hidemyass.com

scaffolder

IP address can be traced if you know what your doing , they can even find … IP address can be traced if you know what your doing , they can even find out what you watched it on , its like leaving your finger prints at a crime scene , Use a Proxy Server like hidemyass.com



Not sure any ISP would give the BBC those details. Not without a court order.

I have no idea why my question got some dislikes as I am really interested in what the answer is. I may have to forward my question to the BBC to find out. I pay my licence of course. I do not watch anything from the BBC though because I have absolutely no interest in anything they broadcast. I watch a maximum of 90 minutes of programmes a day from ITV and E4.

waynester21

I have no idea why my question got some dislikes as I am really … I have no idea why my question got some dislikes as I am really interested in what the answer is. I may have to forward my question to the BBC to find out. I pay my licence of course. I do not watch anything from the BBC though because I have absolutely no interest in anything they broadcast. I watch a maximum of 90 minutes of programmes a day from ITV and E4.



If you don't watch 'live tv' and don't watch bbc content on the bbc I player, you don't need a licence. I looked at the the licence website the other day and it's initially misleading about other catch up services, mentioning 4od and now tv, but basically no live tv and no iplayer means you don't need a licence.

Paddy_o_furniture

But that's not true. If I only wanted to watch ITV I'd still have to pay … But that's not true. If I only wanted to watch ITV I'd still have to pay the TV tax.



Not strictly true. If you only ever wanted to watch ITV, you'd get access to a TV at no cost to yourself. Of course you'd also get free accommodation in a padded room.....

The whole TV Licence thing belongs in the dark ages, make the Bloated Broadcasting Corporation fund itself and give us a choice, the rest of the world must be laughing at this country for having this BBC Tax

Agent004

The whole TV Licence thing belongs in the dark ages, make the Bloated … The whole TV Licence thing belongs in the dark ages, make the Bloated Broadcasting Corporation fund itself and give us a choice, the rest of the world must be laughing at this country for having this BBC Tax


Most of Europe also have tv licences and many cost considerably more than the uk one m(eg Switzerland £410).

chocci

Most of Europe also have tv licences and many cost considerably more … Most of Europe also have tv licences and many cost considerably more than the uk one m(eg Switzerland £410).


The fee also pays for the transmission infrastructure so it isn't solely to fund the bbc programmes.

Paddy_o_furniture

If I want to drive a car, I accept I pay road fund. If I want to watch … If I want to drive a car, I accept I pay road fund. If I want to watch the TV (but not content from the BBC) why should I have to pay the TV licence?



I never quite believe people when they say they never watch the BBC,don't tell me,you never watched the Olympics either X)

deb8z

I never quite believe people when they say they never watch the BBC,don't … I never quite believe people when they say they never watch the BBC,don't tell me,you never watched the Olympics either X)



I was on holiday.

Paddy_o_furniture

I was on holiday.



You've been on holiday for all of them X)

waynester21

I have no idea why my question got some dislikes as I am really … I have no idea why my question got some dislikes as I am really interested in what the answer is. I may have to forward my question to the BBC to find out. I pay my licence of course. I do not watch anything from the BBC though because I have absolutely no interest in anything they broadcast. I watch a maximum of 90 minutes of programmes a day from ITV and E4.



All the facts are contained in the links in post #21. If they do not answer any specific question anyone may have or maybe they have not made it so easy to understand then the links provide a facility to ask your question and get a reply.

wakkaday

Students don't need license in accommodation as long as their parents … Students don't need license in accommodation as long as their parents have one


Not true in halls of residence, only shared private accommodation
Edited by: "chocci" 7th Sep 2016
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