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    BEDROOM TAX

    Bedroom tax please let me know what you think please remember it is not always work shy who are having to pay this horrid tax

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    It's not taxation...

    Good media spin though.

    Perhaps people with no children should claim that they are victims of a no child tax.




    Edited by: "RossD89" 16th Dec 2014

    Move somewhere else with a more sensible number of rooms rather than taking houses which are far bigger than you need?

    Once again those who can least afford it are penalised

    What activities are included in this bedroom tax that you impose ?

    I shall counter this by implementing head ache tax (_;)

    I thought they were doing away with it? I have one more room than needed but I don't get taxed as I don't claim HB.
    I've been trying to downsize for two years. Now the tax is there I can't shift a large 4 bed in Cambridge. Crazy

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    Conan257

    Move somewhere else with a more sensible number of rooms rather than … Move somewhere else with a more sensible number of rooms rather than taking houses which are far bigger than you need?


    This what I mean people don't put into account that the rooms are sometimes to small to have 2 children in one room so a all rooms are all being used by someone so where have you got a spare room.
    Spare means not being used or empty

    Conan257

    Move somewhere else with a more sensible number of rooms rather than … Move somewhere else with a more sensible number of rooms rather than taking houses which are far bigger than you need?



    If you have a family home you've been in for a long time and have spent money decorating then I think it's unfair to want the family to move out just because one member has moved out. People make friends and good neighbours which are harder to come by than houses. Schools, GP even local shops etc are things that we become used to and would not want to change. It's more than just an extra room, it's changing everything a person is used to.

    Banned

    If we stopped getting involved in overseas conflicts that are none of our business, we'd save billions annually which could help avoid having to tax unnecessarily (amongst other things).

    My mum has a bedroom that is smaller than her bathroom lol. You can hardly fit a single bed in there and that's classed as a bedroom. It's crazy.

    Villa

    If we stopped getting involved in overseas conflicts that are none of our … If we stopped getting involved in overseas conflicts that are none of our business, we'd save billions annually which could help avoid having to tax unnecessarily (amongst other things).



    A rduction in benefits does not equal a tax...
    Edited by: "RossD89" 15th Dec 2014

    How about we start forcing large companies to pay tax before we resort to squeezing the less well off?

    Lexa

    If you have a family home you've been in for a long time and have spent … If you have a family home you've been in for a long time and have spent money decorating then I think it's unfair to want the family to move out just because one member has moved out. People make friends and good neighbours which are harder to come by than houses. Schools, GP even local shops etc are things that we become used to and would not want to change. It's more than just an extra room, it's changing everything a person is used to.



    It's not your house. You're allowed to live in it for, comparatively, cheap rent.

    If you don't like it, either move, buy your own house, or pay the market rate. I expect to move every 3 years in my job, so have little sympathy for people complaining that they can't move because of the local amenities etc.

    Taxing/penalising the people who can least afford it seems the Tory way. IDS is out of touch with reality.
    How can you penalise someone for having a home deemed to large when they're no smaller houses to move to. If you've been offered a smaller premises and declined to move maybe you could be penalised then.

    Conan257

    It's not your house. You're allowed to live in it for, comparatively, … It's not your house. You're allowed to live in it for, comparatively, cheap rent. If you don't like it, either move, buy your own house, or pay the market rate. I expect to move every 3 years in my job, so have little sympathy for people complaining that they can't move because of the local amenities etc.



    What line of work are you in?

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    They got rid of the mansion tax cause the rich said it was unfair but the poor have said the bedroom tax is unfair and the government dont listen there has been so many people committed suicide over this but nobody cares

    i'll swap your 4-bed for my silver bearded

    GemmaJayne

    I've been trying to downsize for two years. Now the tax is there I can't … I've been trying to downsize for two years. Now the tax is there I can't shift a large 4 bed in Cambridge. Crazy

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    RossD89

    A rduction in benefits does not equal a tax...


    What ids are saying you have spare room where most people haven't

    Paddy_o_furniture

    What line of work are you in?



    One which has had less than 1% pay rise over the last 4 years, and doesn't involve me posting argumentative things on HUKD just to get peoples blood boiling!

    Rach75

    What ids are saying you have spare room where most people haven't




    ???


    I don't understand what you just said...

    Edited by: "RossD89" 15th Dec 2014

    Conan257

    One which has had less than 1% pay rise over the last 4 years, and … One which has had less than 1% pay rise over the last 4 years, and doesn't involve me posting argumentative things on HUKD just to get peoples blood boiling!



    The forces?

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    Paddy_o_furniture

    Taxing/penalising the people who can least afford it seems the Tory way. … Taxing/penalising the people who can least afford it seems the Tory way. IDS is out of touch with reality. How can you penalise someone for having a home deemed to large when they're no smaller houses to move to. If you've been offered a smaller premises and declined to move maybe you could be penalised then.


    that's one of the amendments they have tried to add in which I find was fair but conservative said no vote

    dcx_badass

    Buy your own house, go crazy, have as many bedrooms as you like.I'm not … Buy your own house, go crazy, have as many bedrooms as you like.I'm not funding someone's spare rooms.


    I didn't wanna support the acne cream you obviously needed but the taxation system forced me too.

    it's pretty harsh if most of them are little box rooms, how much do they deduct roughly ?

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    DarkEnergy2012

    it's pretty harsh if most of them are little box rooms, how much do they … it's pretty harsh if most of them are little box rooms, how much do they deduct roughly ?


    14% for 1 spare room roughly £15 a week
    25% for 2 spare rooms roughly £30 a week

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    Conan257

    One which has had less than 1% pay rise over the last 4 years, and … One which has had less than 1% pay rise over the last 4 years, and doesn't involve me posting argumentative things on HUKD just to get peoples blood boiling!


    Male escort?

    It's not a tax, it's a reduction in benefits. This government is committed to reducing benefits, as are UKIP. Bear this in mind at the general election next May.

    Absolute nonsense which was introduced with the idea to free up bigger houses. Guess what, it hasn't worked. Now myself and thousands of others are stuck paying £24 a fortnight extra for a room smaller than what some class as a cupboard. Sure if it had applied to all new tenancies created after the set date, sure, people would have looked for smaller properties to begin with, but when we moved in to a 2 bed flat in 2008, there wasn't even a whisper of it. The Tory party, and IDS himself seem set on killing the sick and poor within a generation.

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    tr0r

    Absolute nonsense which was introduced with the idea to free up bigger … Absolute nonsense which was introduced with the idea to free up bigger houses. Guess what, it hasn't worked. Now myself and thousands of others are stuck paying £24 a fortnight extra for a room smaller than what some class as a cupboard. Sure if it had applied to all new tenancies created after the set date, sure, people would have looked for smaller properties to begin with, but when we moved in to a 2 bed flat in 2008, there wasn't even a whisper of it. The Tory party, and IDS himself seem set on killing the sick and poor within a generation.

    have not appealed it cause if you have room less then 70sqft you can

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    To play devil's advocate for a moment - what is stopping people from moving to a smaller house?
    Is it the lack of smaller properties locally?
    Is it the inconvenience of having to move away to a new area?
    Something else?

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    Villa

    If we stopped getting involved in overseas conflicts that are none of our … If we stopped getting involved in overseas conflicts that are none of our business, we'd save billions annually which could help avoid having to tax unnecessarily (amongst other things).



    Yes agreed, terrorism has a lot to answer to.

    Bedroom tax: It is only in recent years that social housing particularly in and around London has been in such demand and everyone knows why the demand is so high but unfortunately speaking about it here brands you a racist so I am not going to mention it even though it is the one and only reason for the problem and ultimately why the bedroom tax was introduced.

    Others that say buy your own house, that is an easy thing to say but I have 2 early twenty somethings who are frantically saving deposits for their own homes but market forces are making that near on impossible for them, I wonder why that is?

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    I never understood why people in council houses could hang on to them when the kids have left. It's not like they own the house and as there are new families waiting to use them it only seems sensible to move the olds out into a 1bedroom place so a new family can have the house.

    Bedroom tax is a great idea, but badly implemented.
    Edited by: "Musician" 15th Dec 2014

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    konimitsu

    Bedroom tax: It is only in recent years that social housing particularly … Bedroom tax: It is only in recent years that social housing particularly in and around London has been in such demand and everyone knows why the demand is so high but unfortunately speaking about it here brands you a racist so I am not going to mention it even though it is the one and only reason for the problem and ultimately why the bedroom tax was introduced.


    Whoa whoa hang on there...
    Did you consider that another reason may be that more and more people are fed-up of living with their parent(s) and are therefore moving out because they feel independence is better than the hardship and inconvenience they will inevitably face?

    Lexa

    My mum has a bedroom that is smaller than her bathroom lol. You can … My mum has a bedroom that is smaller than her bathroom lol. You can hardly fit a single bed in there and that's classed as a bedroom. It's crazy.

    to be charged bedroom tax you need to be able to fit 5 items of furniture in the room, bed, wardrobe, chest of drawers and cant remember other two, its also useable floorspace thats counted in square footage so the area the door covers as it opens isn't counted.

    As for bedroom tax, we had to pay it for one room and its the best thing that ever happened as we ended doing a homeswap and moving and the house we are in feels so much more like a "home" its cosy and comfortable, just has that "home" feeling as soon as you walk in the door.

    I have a spare room that I pay tax* on and its filled up with is junk I buy off HUKD!

    *council tax.

    Villa

    To play devil's advocate for a moment - what is stopping people from … To play devil's advocate for a moment - what is stopping people from moving to a smaller house?Is it the lack of smaller properties locally?Is it the inconvenience of having to move away to a new area?Something else?



    My local Council chose a crafty way to ensure maximum income regarding the new rules...

    They blew up all the high rise one bedders that the crack heads use to abode

    Brought them to the ground and built lovely Seven bedroom semis...

    Method in their madness
    Edited by: "logie31" 15th Dec 2014

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    dcx_badass

    £1.70 a day for a bigger house, my heart bleeds for you, it must be awful.


    Why pay when you haven't got a spare room? And yes it is awful when people cannot afford it

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    Musician

    I never understood why people in council houses could hang on to them … I never understood why people in council houses could hang on to them when then kids have left. It's not like they own the house and as there are new families waiting to use them it only seems sensible to move the olds out into a 1bedroom place so a new family can have the house. Bedroom tax is a great idea, but badly implemented.


    I think Maggie Thatcher kind of ruined this by selling off so many in order to guarantee an election win.
    I agree that people in council properties should not have an automatic lifelong entitlement to that property and should be moved into smaller property the moment their family size decreases.

    Why shouldn't you pay if you have more bedrooms than you need. I wanted a 4 bedroom house and guess what..I have to pay more for my mortgage than if I had bought a 2 bedroom house (the number of bedrooms I need)
    Suck it up or move elsewhere.

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    Villa

    Whoa whoa hang on there...Did you consider that another reason may be … Whoa whoa hang on there...Did you consider that another reason may be that more and more people are fed-up of living with their parent(s) and are therefore moving out because they feel independence is better than the hardship and inconvenience they will inevitably face?



    Yes I did consider that also.

    Rach75

    Why pay when you haven't got a spare room? And yes it is awful when … Why pay when you haven't got a spare room? And yes it is awful when people cannot afford it



    Ignore him. The boy is a massive hypocrite.
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