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    Been refused Clomid and really upset

    Hiya
    Went to my doctor about my pcos and asked could I go on Clomid to try and get pregnant and he said no that it actually could make the chances worse and probably wouldn't work. That is totally different to everything i'm seeing on the Internet and everything I've heard from everyone else. Instead he wants me to wait and see a specialist and steer me towards IVF. Anyone else been told this or been on Clomid or doctors on here to know why he refused me.

    Are there any other things I could try, like herbal things? Thanks

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    What were his reasons for saying clomid could make your chances work? Ive never heard that before. Its good if he's steering you towards ivf though but I really would have thought he would have put you on clomid first. Do you have any medical conditions which may mean you cant take the medication?
    As for other things you can try, have you tried the 'sperm meets the egg' method? I hope your ok we've been trying for baby #2 for almost 3 years and its so hard **hugs**

    Best to chat with the specialist about it they will know more than your GP , i think they have done the right things to refer you. Hard to wait i know, hope all goes well x

    My Wife Was On This For 12 Years Can I Help?

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    He actually said that clomid, although it stimulates the ovaries to produce and egg can also stimulate the cysts and cause more and the pain could return etc. Thing is I'm not over weight and have mild pcos and Clomid as you say seems to be the first course of action. I just don't understand that. And the fertility hospital he is sending me to see the specialist is not my local hospital but one miles away that I'd have to take a full day off work to even go to. I so wanted to try Clomid first to see if it would happen as naturally as possible instead of being so clinical about it.

    Aw you poor thing. You must feel so frustrated at the moment.

    The doctor should have explained this thoroughly to you, hate it when they are so dismissive. Clomiphene ( Clomid ) helps women who are not releasing an egg each month "ovulate". If you are ovulating by yourself clomid may well make it harder for you to conceive. It's a very helpful drug for many women but a very specific drug too.

    I would hope that your doctor has done regular blod tests and an internal scan to check you are in fact ovulating by yourself and your partner and yourself will need to undergo further fertility tests to see what the problem is if you have been trying for some time to become pregnant.

    How old are you and how long have you been trying?

    The PCOS causes problems with fertility not only as it reduces your chances of ovulating naturally, it also shows you have some level of insulin resistance. Be very careful of you diet and think carefully of high carb foods with sugars. Seek out low GI foods and incorporate them in your diet. If you have any extra body fat around your stomach think of upping your exercise levels to help reduce this also.

    We tried for over seven years to conceive one of our children. I found that Agnus Castus was very good for making my periods arrive on time each month. I took it for six months and then came off and the herb still brought on my periods for over the next three months.

    Obviously also take folic acid.

    Many women find that they conceive naturally if they can find a way to destress... such as a holiday.

    After we had our stillbirth, I found it incredibly hard to have sex with my hubby as I was so scared of what would happen but I desperately wanted another baby. We went on holiday and swam with dolphins and what do you know.. it worked!

    Don't give up hope sweetie and don't try too hard. Go along and have all the important fertility tests done and see what the specialist thinks x x x

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    raptorcigs;4937709

    My Wife Was On This For 12 Years Can I Help?



    Flip 12 years, wow. My friend had Clomid and got pregnant within 4 months. Did your wife try diet changes or any other herbal stuff, someone mentioned vitex but I don't know anything about it.

    Leila70;4937731

    He actually said that clomid, although it stimulates the ovaries to … He actually said that clomid, although it stimulates the ovaries to produce and egg can also stimulate the cysts and cause more and the pain could return etc. Thing is I'm not over weight and have mild pcos and Clomid as you say seems to be the first course of action. I just don't understand that. And the fertility hospital he is sending me to see the specialist is not my local hospital but one miles away that I'd have to take a full day off work to even go to. I so wanted to try Clomid first to see if it would happen as naturally as possible instead of being so clinical about it.



    Do you mind me asking how long you have been trying to conceive?
    Surely it would be worth taking the full day off though if it meant you could get a shot at ivf. I dont know much about taking clomind when you have pcos, theres a trying to conceive forum over on netmums and everyone is so friendly Im sure they would know more about this

    ClarityofMind;4937735

    Aw you poor thing. You must feel so frustrated at the moment.The doctor … Aw you poor thing. You must feel so frustrated at the moment.The doctor should have explained this thoroughly to you, hate it when they are so dismissive. Clomiphene ( Clomid ) helps women who are not releasing an egg each month "ovulate". If you are ovulating by yourself clomid may well make it harder for you to conceive. It's a very helpful drug for many women but a very specific drug too. I would hope that your doctor has done regular blod tests and an internal scan to check you are in fact ovulating by yourself and your partner and yourself will need to undergo further fertility tests to see what the problem is if you have been trying for some time to become pregnant.How old are you and how long have you been trying?The PCOS causes problems with fertility not only as it reduces your chances of ovulating naturally, it also shows you have some level of insulin resistance. Be very careful of you diet and think carefully of high carb foods with sugars. Seek out low GI foods and incorporate them in your diet. If you have any extra body fat around your stomach think of upping your exercise levels to help reduce this also.We tried for over seven years to conceive one of our children. I found that Agnus Castus was very good for making my periods arrive on time each month. I took it for six months and then came off and the herb still brought on my periods for over the next three months. Obviously also take folic acid.Many women find that they conceive naturally if they can find a way to destress... such as a holiday. After we had our stillbirth, I found it incredibly hard to have sex with my hubby as I was so scared of what would happen but I desperately wanted another baby. We went on holiday and swam with dolphins and what do you know.. it worked!Don't give up hope sweetie and don't try too hard. Go along and have all the important fertility tests done and see what the specialist thinks x x x



    such a moving post hun **hugs**

    Leila70;4937738

    Flip 12 years, wow. My friend had Clomid and got pregnant within 4 … Flip 12 years, wow. My friend had Clomid and got pregnant within 4 months. Did your wife try diet changes or any other herbal stuff, someone mentioned vitex but I don't know anything about it.



    vitex is another name for agnus castus. it helps women ovulate. You can look up the information online by googling it easily enough.

    Remember that herbs are as strong as any drug and be careful if you choose this way of self-medicating x x

    Leila70;4937731

    He actually said that clomid, although it stimulates the ovaries to … He actually said that clomid, although it stimulates the ovaries to produce and egg can also stimulate the cysts and cause more and the pain could return etc. Thing is I'm not over weight and have mild pcos and Clomid as you say seems to be the first course of action. I just don't understand that. And the fertility hospital he is sending me to see the specialist is not my local hospital but one miles away that I'd have to take a full day off work to even go to. I so wanted to try Clomid first to see if it would happen as naturally as possible instead of being so clinical about it.



    ur actually quite lucky hes referring u to a fertility specialist...ur gonna get the best care...im sure taking a day off work to have top range treatment/analysis is do-able. i agree that u want to kick things off asap and get u ovulating.... u could allow doctor to refer u and then change GP and see if they give u clomid while u wait for hospital appt.

    raptorcigs;4937709

    My Wife Was On This For 12 Years Can I Help?



    Not 12 years Rappy, clomid is contra-indicated after 6 months of use as it may have some relationship with cancer of the ovaries.

    you must mean a different drug lol

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    ClarityofMind;4937735

    Aw you poor thing. You must feel so frustrated at the moment.The doctor … Aw you poor thing. You must feel so frustrated at the moment.The doctor should have explained this thoroughly to you, hate it when they are so dismissive. Clomiphene ( Clomid ) helps women who are not releasing an egg each month "ovulate". If you are ovulating by yourself clomid may well make it harder for you to conceive. It's a very helpful drug for many women but a very specific drug too. I would hope that your doctor has done regular blod tests and an internal scan to check you are in fact ovulating by yourself and your partner and yourself will need to undergo further fertility tests to see what the problem is if you have been trying for some time to become pregnant.How old are you and how long have you been trying?The PCOS causes problems with fertility not only as it reduces your chances of ovulating naturally, it also shows you have some level of insulin resistance. Be very careful of you diet and think carefully of high carb foods with sugars. Seek out low GI foods and incorporate them in your diet. If you have any extra body fat around your stomach think of upping your exercise levels to help reduce this also.We tried for over seven years to conceive one of our children. I found that Agnus Castus was very good for making my periods arrive on time each month. I took it for six months and then came off and the herb still brought on my periods for over the next three months. Obviously also take folic acid.Many women find that they conceive naturally if they can find a way to destress... such as a holiday. After we had our stillbirth, I found it incredibly hard to have sex with my hubby as I was so scared of what would happen but I desperately wanted another baby. We went on holiday and swam with dolphins and what do you know.. it worked!Don't give up hope sweetie and don't try too hard. Go along and have all the important fertility tests done and see what the specialist thinks x x x



    Wow, you told me more in your first 2 lines than my doctor!

    They only tested one cycle and I had actually ovulated but with really low levels. I used to have about 3 or 4 periods a year when I was younger but now I maybe have a 35 - 40 day cycle. I'm 35 and have not used contraception for about 5 or so years. I'm only 8 stone in weight and I tried Agnus Cactus for a while and Saw Palmetto and I eat only wholemeal bread and pasta, although I can't eat that yuck brown rice. I do have a sweet tooth for cakes though which I will try and cut out again. And funnily enough I'm going on holidays in June and am hoping to swim with dolphins! lol

    Just so frustrating as I knew I had problems since I was 16 and just feel I'm getting too old now.
    But it is good to hear others have had success.

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    magicbeans;4937766

    ur actually quite lucky hes referring u to a fertility specialist...ur … ur actually quite lucky hes referring u to a fertility specialist...ur gonna get the best care...im sure taking a day off work to have top range treatment/analysis is do-able. i agree that u want to kick things off asap and get u ovulating.... u could allow doctor to refer u and then change GP and see if they give u clomid while u wait for hospital appt.



    I had even been thinking of buying it over the internet but I've read too many scare stories.

    Leila70;4937731

    He actually said that clomid, although it stimulates the ovaries to … He actually said that clomid, although it stimulates the ovaries to produce and egg can also stimulate the cysts and cause more and the pain could return etc. Thing is I'm not over weight and have mild pcos and Clomid as you say seems to be the first course of action. I just don't understand that. And the fertility hospital he is sending me to see the specialist is not my local hospital but one miles away that I'd have to take a full day off work to even go to. I so wanted to try Clomid first to see if it would happen as naturally as possible instead of being so clinical about it.


    HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN TRYING YOU WONT USUALY GET CLOMID UNLESS YOUR DOC KNOWS YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR 2 YEARS FIRST COURSE WONT WORK SO DONT GET HOPES UP BUT YOU NEED TO TAKE IT. MAYBE 2 OR 3 COURSE WILL, AS YOU ARE NOT OVER WEIGHT, BUT THERE ARE MANY OTHER OPTIONS LIKE IUI,MENAPURE OR THEY JUST MIGHT INCREASE YOUR DOSE OF CLOMID IF THEY WANT YOU ON IT YOUR GP WILL JUST HAVE TO LIKE IT OR LUMP IT

    If U Need Any More Help Ill Pm You Wifeys Phone Number Just Let Me Know After 15 Years Trying And Succseeding Wifey And Me Are Quite Up On The Subject

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    hunter82;4937745

    Do you mind me asking how long you have been trying to conceive?Surely it … Do you mind me asking how long you have been trying to conceive?Surely it would be worth taking the full day off though if it meant you could get a shot at ivf. I dont know much about taking clomind when you have pcos, theres a trying to conceive forum over on netmums and everyone is so friendly Im sure they would know more about this



    I think deep down it isn't the travel or time off that worries me, it's more that the guy I am with is 'scared' of babies lol. If it happened pretty naturally that would be fine but I'm not sure he will do ivf as it involves him having to be really 'up for it'.

    Leila70;4937786

    Wow, you told me more in your first 2 lines than my doctor! :)They only … Wow, you told me more in your first 2 lines than my doctor! :)They only tested one cycle and I had actually ovulated but with really low levels. I used to have about 3 or 4 periods a year when I was younger but now I maybe have a 35 - 40 day cycle. I'm 35 and have not used contraception for about 5 or so years. I'm only 8 stone in weight and I tried Agnus Cactus for a while and Saw Palmetto and I eat only wholemeal bread and pasta, although I can't eat that yuck brown rice. I do have a sweet tooth for cakes though which I will try and cut out again. And funnily enough I'm going on holidays in June and am hoping to swim with dolphins! lolJust so frustrating as I knew I had problems since I was 16 and just feel I'm getting too old now.But it is good to hear others have had success.



    As you know from 35 onwards it becomes harder and harder to conceive naturally. At 40, very very few women conceive without some form of medical help and intervention. It isnt a sudden change however, it becomes slowly but increasingly unlikely. If you are having a regular cycle, albeit a long one you are successfully ovulating and you have a good chance of conceiving anytime soon

    If the dolphins work we will have to sell it as a fertility option lol

    Have you learnt to chart your temperature and check your cervical mucus and/or use OPK's? In my experience men hate these kind of measures to try and get pregnant but to us women it feels like we are taking control of our bodies and helping to control the outcome so this might be something you might want to consider too.

    I am glad your doc is sending you to a specialist. Good luck with the tests and much baby dust to you x x x

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    ClarityofMind;4937833

    As you know from 35 onwards it becomes harder and harder to conceive … As you know from 35 onwards it becomes harder and harder to conceive naturally. At 40, very very few women conceive without some form of medical help and intervention. It isnt a sudden change however, it becomes slowly but increasingly unlikely. If you are having a regular cycle, albeit a long one you are successfully ovulating and you have a good chance of conceiving anytime soon :)If the dolphins work we will have to sell it as a fertility option lolHave you learnt to chart your temperature and check your cervical mucus and/or use OPK's? In my experience men hate these kind of measures to try and get pregnant but to us women it feels like we are taking control of our bodies and helping to control the outcome so this might be something you might want to consider too.I am glad your doc is sending you to a specialist. Good luck with the tests and much baby dust to you x x x



    Hadn't been doing the charting but I am thinking of starting today

    Leila70;4937816

    I think deep down it isn't the travel or time off that worries me, it's … I think deep down it isn't the travel or time off that worries me, it's more that the guy I am with is 'scared' of babies lol. If it happened pretty naturally that would be fine but I'm not sure he will do ivf as it involves him having to be really 'up for it'.



    Have you spoken to him properly about this, it sounds like he doesnt even want kids!

    ClarityofMind;4937779

    Not 12 years Rappy, clomid is contra-indicated after 6 months of use as … Not 12 years Rappy, clomid is contra-indicated after 6 months of use as it may have some relationship with cancer of the ovaries.you must mean a different drug lol


    THERE WERE GAPS SILLY(QUOTING WIFEY)

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    hunter82;4937852

    Have you spoken to him properly about this, it sounds like he doesnt even … Have you spoken to him properly about this, it sounds like he doesnt even want kids!



    Yes, he was very much 'I don't want any' but when we sat down and chatted it turns out to be fear really. He was an only child and had a very unsettled upbringing by hippy parents who moved a lot and it just scared him.

    Leila70;4937850

    Hadn't been doing the charting but I am thinking of starting today



    If hubby is a little nervous about it all it is sometimes because men fear that they wont be able to fulfil this need and it is tied in so strongly with all they feel about "being a man" so dont be too hard on him, just remain encouraging.

    I stopped telling my hubby when I was fertile so he wouldnt have to worry about if he was having sex just for pleasure or actually "performing" to try to conceive, just so he would feel less pressure.

    I did all the tests etc.. but let him take a back seat and kept it relatively on the downlow most of the time ( other than the stuff he HAD to do ) so he wouldn't feel anxious about it all.

    Other women are your best emotional supporters with this kind of thing x x

    raptorcigs;4937865

    THERE WERE GAPS SILLY(QUOTING WIFEY)



    lol, sorry rappy's wifey!

    Leila70;4937871

    Yes, he was very much 'I don't want any' but when we sat down and chatted … Yes, he was very much 'I don't want any' but when we sat down and chatted it turns out to be fear really. He was an only child and had a very unsettled upbringing by hippy parents who moved a lot and it just scared him.



    Just try to make sure you are both mentally prepared as having ivf can be a really exhausting time.
    I wish you the best of luck
    **babydust**

    ClarityofMind;4937890

    lol, sorry rappy's wifey!


    (NO PROBLEM HUN)SAID WIFEY

    Original Poster

    Thank you everyone for being so supportive and helpful

    raptorcigs;4937895

    (NO PROBLEM HUN)SAID WIFEY



    made me laugh having a convo with someone not there.. I'm imagining a dinosaur in a tutu lol

    Leila70;4937906

    Thank you everyone for being so supportive and helpful



    oh you're welcome sweetie. There's lots of ladies on here who can give you insight into fertility issues and also some who are still trying just like you.

    Do lots of research. Google is your friend! And much luck to you x x x

    Leila70;4937906

    Thank you everyone for being so supportive and helpful



    Always here hun x

    While your wating to be seen maybe it be useful to use a fertility monitor like clearblue. It's quite an expensive thing to do and I only used it cos of a trial I was on,so was free.
    Then you can see when your ovulating. It's thought women ovulate around 14th day of cycle but that is not also so for everyone,some ovulate way earlier then that,and some way later even depending on length of cycle.
    I recommend also in meantime that you go to bed every 2-3days and hope you catch the egg.
    I'd go to the appointment,if you really want a baby and make a start then you not let work get in way.

    iv just been diagnosed with PCOS 2 weeks ago,So im still trying to get my head around it
    iv always had problems been backwards and forwards to the docs since i was younger and now after further tests they have finally found i have this.
    i have 2 boys wich it did take along time to concieve, my problem that i have is the most hurrendous period pain.
    its nice to read im not alone and reading all your helpful advice from everyone.
    good luck in trying for your baby everyone

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    Leila70;4937731

    He actually said that clomid, although it stimulates the ovaries to … He actually said that clomid, although it stimulates the ovaries to produce and egg can also stimulate the cysts and cause more and the pain could return etc. Thing is I'm not over weight and have mild pcos and Clomid as you say seems to be the first course of action. I just don't understand that. And the fertility hospital he is sending me to see the specialist is not my local hospital but one miles away that I'd have to take a full day off work to even go to. I so wanted to try Clomid first to see if it would happen as naturally as possible instead of being so clinical about it.



    surely this is the reason to take your gp's advice on board and not reject it :?

    I can sympathise, hubby and I have been trying for a baby for a few months now with no luck. I have PCOS too, and haven't been given clomid as I am ovulating. We're running out of time, I'm 39, and every month it is more and more upsetting.

    I would recommend signing up at [url]www.fertilityfriend.com[/url] for free, it helps with charting and working out when your most fertile times are.

    I'm currently on my 6th & final month of this drug after years of going to the docs, finally got referred to hosp.....fingers crossed, next stage for us is ivf at £4k a go......hope you get it sorted & hope you hear the pitter patter of tiny feet soon.

    Agnus castus is worth a consideration, it has been called nature's clomid!

    I've started taking it this month, FX it will work!
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