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    Belgium Ban The Burka

    BELGIUM has become the first European country to impose a full ban on wearing a burka.
    Women will face jail for hiding their faces in public after the country's parliament approved a draft proposal set to be law by July.

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    Omfg!

    :lol: seems a bit harsh

    and one appeal to the european court of human rights will overturn the law:whistling:

    barky;8513688

    and one appeal to the european court of human rights will overturn the … and one appeal to the european court of human rights will overturn the law:whistling:



    I doubt it.

    barky;8513688

    and one appeal to the european court of human rights will overturn the … and one appeal to the european court of human rights will overturn the law:whistling:



    Exactly...but undoubtedly that will take a couple of years, unless they see it as a pressing matter...
    I can't believe so many countries are trying to do this as well, imagine telling all Christians they were no longer allowed to wear the Cross!

    I can comprehend the difference that it obscures the person, but at least a middle ground should be used, not an outright ban!

    barky;8513688

    and one appeal to the european court of human rights will overturn the … and one appeal to the european court of human rights will overturn the law:whistling:



    unfortunately your right here.....:thumbsup:

    Hmm atleast the hijab isn't banned.

    It's a very difficult matter imo. I can understand that national security is a priority and wearing anything that obscures the face is a risk (As when the man who murdered the police woman and escaed the country dressed as a veiled woman has shown) but I DON'T think it should be banned. I do believe there should be trained female officers that can search a veiled person if there is any need for security checks (Such as when entering or leaving the country) or if there is any cause for suspicion but banning I don't think is the solution.

    excellent news lets all follow suit

    Banned

    Just ban all religion. Problems of the world solved.

    Banned

    This thread got trimmed quickly. Posts weren't even that bad.

    Well done belgium - hijabs can be used for modesty. Burkas are dreadful and are not the most helpful garment for integrating.

    If someone is wearing a motorbike helmet they have to remove it when they go into shops etc as it obscures the face, but its ok it would seem if you are covering your face for religious reasons to continue doing your shop.

    Banning a burka is a little unfair however and its a very touchy subject as its all about human rights...difficult subject and I can never see this being applied in the UK

    One form of oppression being replaced by another!!:whistling:

    Sh0rty;8513903

    excellent news lets all follow suit



    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

    When in Rome...

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    awoodhall2003;8513743

    Exactly...but undoubtedly that will take a couple of years, unless they … Exactly...but undoubtedly that will take a couple of years, unless they see it as a pressing matter...I can't believe so many countries are trying to do this as well, imagine telling all Christians they were no longer allowed to wear the Cross!I can comprehend the difference that it obscures the person, but at least a middle ground should be used, not an outright ban!


    hey "andre" mate imagine your wife/girlfriend walking in iran/iraq with her usual british clothes i.e skirt ,blouse e.t.c with a cross around her neck what do you think would happen to her?ffs .it is all well people talking about being fair what are we ........i dont get it......:?

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    lilsmithy;8514093

    When in Rome...


    [SIZE=5]exactly!:thumbsup:[/SIZE]

    master_chief;8513917

    Just ban all religion. Problems of the world solved.



    Repped :thumbsup:

    woz;8513998

    If someone is wearing a motorbike helmet they have to remove it when they … If someone is wearing a motorbike helmet they have to remove it when they go into shops etc as it obscures the face, but its ok it would seem if you are covering your face for religious reasons to continue doing your shop. Banning a burka is a little unfair however and its a very touchy subject as its all about human rights...difficult subject and I can never see this being applied in the UK



    This happened to me when going into a petrol station, Clerk wouldn't open the door yet inside was a woman (I assume woman, couldn't see her face) in a Burka buying nappies...

    Ban ALL relgion I say - causes nothing but segregation and wars.

    Religion sucks. World would be a much better place without it.

    Whatever next :roll:

    Are they going to ban my mohair catsuit :x

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    awoodhall2003;8513743

    Exactly...but undoubtedly that will take a couple of years, unless they … Exactly...but undoubtedly that will take a couple of years, unless they see it as a pressing matter...I can't believe so many countries are trying to do this as well, imagine telling all Christians they were no longer allowed to wear the Cross!I can comprehend the difference that it obscures the person, but at least a middle ground should be used, not an outright ban!


    but it isnt anything to do with religious expression - its just male to female oppression

    Sh0rty;8513903

    excellent news lets all follow suit



    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

    RFC;8514128

    he andy mate imagine your wife/girlfriend walking in iran/iraq wwith her … he andy mate imagine your wife/girlfriend walking in iran/iraq wwith her usual british clothes i.e skirt ,blouse e.t.c with a cross around her neck what do you think would happen to her?ffs .it is well people talking about being fair what are we(british) scum or what i dont get it......:?



    Andy? I'm not a mod...André mate :thumbsup:
    She would stick out like a sore thumb, and certain people may take offence to how she may dress, she certainly wouldnt wear a cross as she is an atheist but even if she did I dont believe a lot of people would question it.
    The difference is you don't get lots of Brits living in Iran/Iraq, whereas on the Continent you do get a lot of them moving here thus it creates what can be perceived as a 'problem. On a side note I believe it is more Afganistan and Pakistan who wear the Burka...

    I think where security is an issue it is fine, thus the face should be on show, regardless of religion. But with everyday walking down the street, fair enough if I see a woman in a burka i wouldnt even make a comment in regards to it...its life, its religion. Just because I don't personally uphold their religious beliefs, or any other religion to be honest does not give me the right to discriminate against them...which often a lot of people do...us Brits are renowned for it.

    MarzBarz;8513747

    Hmm atleast the hijab isn't banned.



    If they went that far who's going to tell the Queen or all the nuns too they can't wear a scarf / headcover.
    IIRC the burqa is is not a religious requirement but a dictate imposed by some Islamic men, notably the Taliban, to protect their women from the gaze of lecherous men of all religions or just to exercise control over them.
    Going to put my foot in it here but here goes. Maybe I'm a bit odd that whilst I don't find burqa clad women attractive, doing its job, there are many hijab wearers that are better "looking" with than without. Best get my coat and leave now.

    csiman;8514201

    but it isnt anything to do with religious expression - its just male to … but it isnt anything to do with religious expression - its just male to female oppression



    Ok the cross might not be a good example, but I was under the impression a Burka was that of a Islamic thing, although not religious per se ie not expression of that religion, that is why they wear it...although that comes from male oppression as per your point.

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    expect France and the Netherlands to follow

    the burka is supposedly to prevent a mans temptation.........its also saying a man can not control himself nor his actions

    casparwhite;8514282

    expect France and the Netherlands to followthe burka is supposedly to … expect France and the Netherlands to followthe burka is supposedly to prevent a mans temptation.........its also saying a man can not control himself nor his actions



    I thought we couldnt? :w00t:

    I am a Muslim convert and wear a headscarf

    From what I have learned, in Islam ladies are expected to cover their bodies, EXCEPT their hands and face.

    I know many girls who cover their face, all of whom chose to do so of their own accord. I wouldn't want to do it myself, however as I do feel that it can create a barrier. These ladies who cover their face believe that they are getting extra 'brownie points' and choose to conceal their beauty from everyone on street - this is their right imo.

    On the news, they have said that there are less than 1 or 200 women wearing burkas in Belgium so I find it quite disturbing that the government seem to be going 'all out' to be rid of it completely and keep repeating the fact that these women are walking around in mobile prisons so they are doing them a favour.

    To those who say 'when in Belgium, do as they do'. I agree with such a statement when immigrants move to a foreign country and then expect things to change to suit them. But what if these ladies are native Belgian and converted? Then they can't wear as they wish? People are so scared of what they don't understand - a woman gets harassed for wishing to cover themselves but its all cushty when women feel the need to stroll around half naked.

    It is a tricky subject as I do understand about national security, but I do believe there are other ways to deal with a tiny minority of women wishing to cover themselves and I think they are out of order to make it like they are doing these women a favour. Any of these women now who don't want to go out with their face incovered will now not want to go out? So what should they do - have to leave their home country?

    Banned

    master_chief;8513917

    Just ban all religion. Problems of the world solved.



    ban money instead and you could be on to a winner.

    bykergrove;8514421

    ban money instead and you could be on to a winner.



    head=asplode. :thumbsup:

    casparwhite;8514282

    expect France and the Netherlands to followthe burka is supposedly to … expect France and the Netherlands to followthe burka is supposedly to prevent a mans temptation.........its also saying a man can not control himself nor his actions



    Covering the body and face would avoid 'temptation' and of course it does.

    It is perfectly natural for guys to be attracted to girls, this doesn't suddenly stop when a guy gets married. Covering up helps to prevent cheating/adultery, makes sense. :thumbsup:

    bykergrove;8514421

    ban money instead and you could be on to a winner.



    dont ban just money as they other things will be used as currency thus trading as such...thus still have problems!

    the thing is people on hukd are not cultured enough to understand this concept. they think on a nice summers day instead of sitting inside a pub, you go to the beer garden, then on the way home you go to gregs to pick up a pastie.


    thats why most comments on here seem to approve it,I am no Muslim, but I say let them wear what they want.


    Big brother is taking over.

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    Mrs.Z;8514442

    Covering the body and face would avoid 'temptation' and of course it … Covering the body and face would avoid 'temptation' and of course it does.It is perfectly natural for guys to be attracted to girls, this doesn't suddenly stop when a guy gets married. Covering up helps to prevent cheating/adultery, makes sense. :thumbsup:



    it doesnt make sense in the civilized world.....fair enough the middle east ,but it has no place here:thumbsup:

    Mrs.Z;8514412

    I am a Muslim convert and wear a headscarfFrom what I have learned, in … I am a Muslim convert and wear a headscarfFrom what I have learned, in Islam ladies are expected to cover their bodies, EXCEPT their hands and face.I know many girls who cover their face, all of whom chose to do so of their own accord. I wouldn't want to do it myself, however as I do feel that it can create a barrier. These ladies who cover their face believe that they are getting extra 'brownie points' and choose to conceal their beauty from everyone on street - this is their right imo.On the news, they have said that there are less than 1 or 200 women wearing burkas in Belgium so I find it quite disturbing that the government seem to be going 'all out' to be rid of it completely and keep repeating the fact that these women are walking around in mobile prisons so they are doing them a favour.To those who say 'when in Belgium, do as they do'. I agree with such a statement when immigrants move to a foreign country and then expect things to change to suit them. But what if these ladies are native Belgian and converted? Then they can't wear as they wish? People are so scared of what they don't understand - a woman gets harassed for wishing to cover themselves but its all cushty when women feel the need to stroll around half naked.It is a tricky subject as I do understand about national security, but I do believe there are other ways to deal with a tiny minority of women wishing to cover themselves and I think they are out of order to make it like they are doing these women a favour. Any of these women now who don't want to go out with their face incovered will now not want to go out? So what should they do - have to leave their home country?



    Very interesting view point, hadn't thought of local converts...interesting, in a positive manner of course.

    casparwhite;8514462

    it doesnt make sense in the civilized world.....fair enough the middle … it doesnt make sense in the civilized world.....fair enough the middle east ,but it has no place here:thumbsup:



    These countries are civilized, just not by what us westerns believe to be civilized as we have different definitions.

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    awoodhall2003;8514475

    These countries are civilized, just not by what us westerns believe to be … These countries are civilized, just not by what us westerns believe to be civilized as we have different definitions.



    i think you need to do some research buddie.......women are second class citizens in most countries in the middle east:roll:

    people are publicly stoned

    this is not civilized behaviour
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