Boris Johnson 'to warn Theresa May that Labour will win next general election' unless she hands £5bn to the NHS

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Found 23rd Jan
So only fear of losing power will persuade the Tory party to support the NHS, while nurses are leaving in droves. Says it all for our Etonian masters.


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mastablasta17 m ago

Throwing money at it won’t save it. It needs to go back to being a paid s …Throwing money at it won’t save it. It needs to go back to being a paid service


it is paid - we pay for it with our taxes

you want to pay for it twice?
I would like to think our country is too intelligent to vote for Boris as PM.

Can you imagine a room containing Trump, Boris, Kim & Putin? A well padded one would be nice.
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Is the Independent still a thing?
Throwing money at it won’t save it. It needs to go back to being a paid service
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majestic201229 m ago

Is the Independent still a thing?


Yes.
mastablasta14 m ago

Throwing money at it won’t save it. It needs to go back to being a paid s …Throwing money at it won’t save it. It needs to go back to being a paid service


Ok for people like you ....... George effing Osborne !! Tory pillock!
mastablasta17 m ago

Throwing money at it won’t save it. It needs to go back to being a paid s …Throwing money at it won’t save it. It needs to go back to being a paid service


it is paid - we pay for it with our taxes

you want to pay for it twice?
david_wavid15 m ago

Yes.


I see. Well colour me surprised
We need a new party, Perhaps HUKD party, Lets sort this mess out!.
Boris positioning himself for a leadership run. He really is a sad indictment of the terrible calibre of politician we have in this country.

Macron showed in one interview now insight and honesty than the entire Commons could manage.

So you're left with a party who will look the NHS and a party who will kill the economy, neither with the guts to stand up for what is right regarding brexit.
I wish the NHS wasn't used as a political football. No one benefits when that happens, we need a cross party approach to the NHS and ask many searching questions about what the NHS of the future should look like.
mastablasta1 h, 23 m ago

Throwing money at it won’t save it. It needs to go back to being a paid s …Throwing money at it won’t save it. It needs to go back to being a paid service


investment seems to have worked in the past, for pretty much every industry in history.
private healthcare costs more for a poorer service.
The Tory orchard is obviously in early bloom with all this money about!?!
DKLS30 m ago

I wish the NHS wasn't used as a political football. No one benefits when …I wish the NHS wasn't used as a political football. No one benefits when that happens, we need a cross party approach to the NHS and ask many searching questions about what the NHS of the future should look like.


one party wants rid of it, and one doesn't. the third party aided the other in it's slide towards their planned eventual privatisation.

A cross-party approach would just further the issues we have now.
The slightest whiff of the NHS possibly turning into something based on the US system would see the Tories forced from office and out of government permanently. It needs from the top down reform but free at the point of use it should always remain. They aint that stupid – all they can do is run it down and privatise it as these private for profit companies and their share holders/directors do such a marvellous job.

The Tories are finished anyway, they’re consumed by the Brexit mess and May’s disastrous leadership. She’s a leader with zero authority, her cabinet laugh in her face when she tries and shuffles them and senior conservatives are now openly berating her on Twitter. The whole lot of them aren’t fit to govern and in the last 12 months they’ve done the impossible, made Corbyn’s Labour look competent !
freakstyler7 m ago

The slightest whiff of the NHS possibly turning into something based on …The slightest whiff of the NHS possibly turning into something based on the US system would see the Tories forced from office and out of government permanently. It needs from the top down reform but free at the point of use it should always remain. They aint that stupid – all they can do is run it down and privatise it as these private for profit companies and their share holders/directors do such a marvellous job. The Tories are finished anyway, they’re consumed by the Brexit mess and May’s disastrous leadership. She’s a leader with zero authority, her cabinet laugh in her face when she tries and shuffles them and senior conservatives are now openly berating her on Twitter. The whole lot of them aren’t fit to govern and in the last 12 months they’ve done the impossible, made Corbyn’s Labour look competent !


They're hopeless, but I'm not sure corbyn looks competent. He had to sack someone who let the cat out of the bag over council tax just a few weeks ago.

The paucity of half decent politicians beggars belief.
I would like to think our country is too intelligent to vote for Boris as PM.

Can you imagine a room containing Trump, Boris, Kim & Putin? A well padded one would be nice.
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals8 m ago

They're hopeless, but I'm not sure corbyn looks competent. He had to sack …They're hopeless, but I'm not sure corbyn looks competent. He had to sack someone who let the cat out of the bag over council tax just a few weeks ago.The paucity of half decent politicians beggars belief.


Chris Williamson was asked to resign for floating ideas that were not party policy; a big no-no for a minister/ shadow minister.

They've got nothing to hide: read the manifesto.
Bit harsh on Putin tbh grouping him with those fools.
£350 million per week = £18.2 billion per year...

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lastjunkie8 m ago

Chris Williamson was asked to resign for floating ideas that were not …Chris Williamson was asked to resign for floating ideas that were not party policy; a big no-no for a minister/ shadow minister.They've got nothing to hide: read the manifesto.


I have read the manifesto. His council tax proposals fit right in with the 'bash the rich' ideology that is hopefully making the labour party unelectable.

If voters want to believe that Corbyn wouldn't want to see people in relatively modest family homes punished for being successful, then they don't know the man or his track record.
majestic20122 h, 17 m ago

Is the Independent still a thing?


Yep. The print edition was killed off a few years ago, and the brand was bought by former Russian KGB agents to be repurposed into an online-only anti-West propaganda outlet.

OP, you shouldn't read it. It's only there to make you angry, afraid, and to turn you against your fellow man.
m00head2 m ago

350 million per week = 18.2 billion per year...[Image]


So a £13 billion climbdown in what the buffoon wants to give to the NHS in just 18 months. I assume by summer he'll want cuts to the budget.
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals4 m ago

I have read the manifesto. His council tax proposals fit right in with the …I have read the manifesto. His council tax proposals fit right in with the 'bash the rich' ideology that is hopefully making the labour party unelectable.If voters want to believe that Corbyn wouldn't want to see people in relatively modest family homes punished for being successful, then they don't know the man or his track record.


for bash the rich; see pay their fair share / redistribute wealth to reduce financial inequality.

wealth accrued through the housing market bubble is the very definition of unearened wealth: it has nothing to do with success or a lack of it. It is purely down to having the capital required to accrue further money.
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals23 m ago

They're hopeless, but I'm not sure corbyn looks competent. He had to sack …They're hopeless, but I'm not sure corbyn looks competent. He had to sack someone who let the cat out of the bag over council tax just a few weeks ago.The paucity of half decent politicians beggars belief.


Have to agree, I am yet to see any competence from any of our politicians.

Having said that Labour Policy seems to be doing a fantastic job at encouraging women to leave the party in droves due to their position on gender and Trans issues.
lastjunkie9 m ago

for bash the rich; see pay their fair share / redistribute wealth to …for bash the rich; see pay their fair share / redistribute wealth to reduce financial inequality.wealth accrued through the housing market bubble is the very definition of unearened wealth: it has nothing to do with success or a lack of it. It is purely down to having the capital required to accrue further money.


You realise that people in the top tax bracket already pay huge amounts in tax right? The same goes for council tax.

How much more should a person earning £55,000 living in an Email band house pay?

How much wealth do you want redistributed?
Perhaps the government could start by making large (usually multinational) companies start paying their fair share of Tax such as Amazon, Vodafone, Ebay etc. Failing that I can’t see issue with making higher earners pay a little more. What you’ve seen in the past 7 years is a Tory class war on the poor and the welfare state, I can’t stand Corbyn but I think this country would fair better under a Labour/Liberal coalition – they’d also be in a better position to negotiate Brexit.
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals40 m ago

You realise that people in the top tax bracket already pay huge amounts in …You realise that people in the top tax bracket already pay huge amounts in tax right? The same goes for council tax.How much more should a person earning £55,000 living in an Email band house pay?How much wealth do you want redistributed?



They could add new tax brackets. £100k-£150k could be 45% £150k+ could be 50% etc.

Not that i think they should i just don't think increasing the tax in each band is the only option. In other words i think someone on £55k can carry on paying the same £925 or £891 that they currently pay in income tax.
Towelie1 h, 6 m ago

Bit harsh on Putin tbh grouping him with those fools.




He's definitley the smartest, level headed out of all four. I would not rate him very highly in the trust department.
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals54 m ago

You realise that people in the top tax bracket already pay huge amounts in …You realise that people in the top tax bracket already pay huge amounts in tax right? The same goes for council tax.How much more should a person earning £55,000 living in an Email band house pay?How much wealth do you want redistributed?


income tax should be on an exponential scale: the average uk salary is £27k the discrepancy is clearly denoted by this income chart:

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look at all the folk on £55k+ it's insane that someone earning a six figure salary pays the same percentage as someone on £56k.

you're on £55k, I assume?
lastjunkie20 m ago

income tax should be on an exponential scale: the average uk salary is …income tax should be on an exponential scale: the average uk salary is £27k the discrepancy is clearly denoted by this income chart:[Image] look at all the folk on £55k+ it's insane that someone earning a six figure salary pays the same percentage as someone on £56k.you're on £55k, I assume?


No I'm not. In fact there's a massive issue with people who earn low six-figures and begin to lose their tax free income so their effective tax rate is in the 60s.

Someone on 55k would be in the top tax, be the sole earner and have a home in band e. That's who the labour party seems willing to hit particularly hard based on nothing but the politics of envy.
someone who earns almost double the average wage, you mean?

someone who earns £55k, and pays the average £1600 annual concil tax is better off than 97% of the population.

this salary puts you in the top 10% of the UK population.

please don't try to position this as some squeezed middle argument: they're squeezing the 90% below them.
lastjunkie14 m ago

someone who earns almost double the average wage, you mean?someone who …someone who earns almost double the average wage, you mean?someone who earns £55k, and pays the average £1600 annual concil tax is better off than 97% of the population. this salary puts you in the top 10% of the UK population.please don't try to position this as some squeezed middle argument: they're squeezing the 90% below them.



tbh i think i have worked hard enough to deserve my extra salary.
lastjunkie22 m ago

someone who earns almost double the average wage, you mean?someone who …someone who earns almost double the average wage, you mean?someone who earns £55k, and pays the average £1600 annual concil tax is better off than 97% of the population. this salary puts you in the top 10% of the UK population.please don't try to position this as some squeezed middle argument: they're squeezing the 90% below them.


Yes that person who has worked hard, provides for their family and pays a huge amount in tax.

Yet what you see is someone you can try and squeeze more out of because then earning more money is 'wrong'.

That person could easily be doctor or gp yet you see their wage and immediately think they're squeezing those below. The envy drips from every pore of your being and it's exactly why this Labour party can't win a general election.
CoeK12 m ago

tbh i think i have worked hard enough to deserve my extra salary.


you probably haven't.

I used to earn 45k; and that job was far, far easier and less taxing than some of the lower paid/minimum wage I've done in the past.
lastjunkie1 m ago

you probably haven't.I used to earn 45k; and that job was far, far easier …you probably haven't.I used to earn 45k; and that job was far, far easier and less taxing than some of the lower paid/minimum wage I've done in the past.



I think i have, obviously so does my boss.
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals5 m ago

Yes that person who has worked hard, provides for their family and pays a …Yes that person who has worked hard, provides for their family and pays a huge amount in tax. Yet what you see is someone you can try and squeeze more out of because then earning more money is 'wrong'. That person could easily be doctor or gp yet you see their wage and immediately think they're squeezing those below. The envy drips from every pore of your being and it's exactly why this Labour party can't win a general election.


I see a disparity, and extremes that need to be addressed.
you can dismiss it as envy if you wish, I see it as basic fairness: something we've been taught to value since we were all toddlers.
CoeK1 m ago

I think i have, obviously so does my boss.


ha ha, they'd pay you far, far less if they could get away with it.
I doubt most of your output is not twice as good or twice as useful than someone earning the average salary.
lastjunkie7 m ago

ha ha, they'd pay you far, far less if they could get away with it.I doubt …ha ha, they'd pay you far, far less if they could get away with it.I doubt most of your output is not twice as good or twice as useful than someone earning the average salary.



Well i assume since they gave me an 11% wage rise in December without me having to ask for it they value my input more than you seem to think.

My output is not really comparable to someone on half my wage so i'm not sure how you can come to any conclusion from that.

I also have to be available on the phone almost all of the time, i don't get paid any overtime or anything like that and i can't just drop everything at 5pm regardless of what is left to be done.

Tbh i don't really have to justify my earnings to anyone, let alone you.
lastjunkie9 m ago

I see a disparity, and extremes that need to be addressed.you can dismiss …I see a disparity, and extremes that need to be addressed.you can dismiss it as envy if you wish, I see it as basic fairness: something we've been taught to value since we were all toddlers.


I went to a school that had the 11+. I learnt then that hard work and natural talent brought greater rewards. It also had a football team that selected based on skill level.

Your belief that someone getting more is unfair is why we have participation medals.

A lot of people earn more because their skills are more valuable. Punishing them is not what made Britain great and it's why Corbyn couldn't even beat the current shower.
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals7 m ago

I went to a school that had the 11+. I learnt then that hard work and …I went to a school that had the 11+. I learnt then that hard work and natural talent brought greater rewards. It also had a football team that selected based on skill level.Your belief that someone getting more is unfair is why we have participation medals.A lot of people earn more because their skills are more valuable. Punishing them is not what made Britain great and it's why Corbyn couldn't even beat the current shower.


i hope your football team turned down any runner-up medals they received.

It's not punishment; it's about leveling the playing field; no-one does well out of economic disparity.

In the time of your 11+ the top tax rate was 95%: initiatives like that helped reduce inequality, and dragged everyone up. We've been on a slide socially since the democratic socialist post war years that gave us the NHS, free eductioan and tangible social mobility.
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals14 m ago

.A lot of people earn more because their skills are more valuable.


And a lot of people earn more because they happen to go to the right schools, do you really think your skills are more valuable than a nurse or paramedic? Do you think your skills are worth 3 or 4 times what they earn?
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