BT Broadband HomeHub Users are now Public Wifi Spots!!!!

40 replies
Found 24th Jul 2009
Just a heads up, BT HomeHub users may have or not noticed, that they are now advertising BTFON and BTOpenzone from their HomeHub, effectively a Public WiFi Spot!!

Now after ringing BT and asking to switch this off I was met with the stupid ass questions of what O/S are you using and how did I find this out, I hung up in the end!

Firstly to check you are advertising it, login to your HomeHub and click on Services Tab and where it says BTFON it will say either Deactivated or Activated.

To Deactivate:-

this has been introduced as a Opt In scheme and to Opt Out you need to go to

bt.com/btfon


or

btsupport.custhelp.com/cgi…812

Enter your BT Login details and then scroll down and login again on the Opt Out section.

regards

40 Comments

so people with the bt homehub are basically paying to provide a 'free' public network?!?!?!?! thats rediculous!

Original Poster

lil_tiger;5838968

so people with the bt homehub are basically paying to provide a 'free' … so people with the bt homehub are basically paying to provide a 'free' public network?!?!?!?! thats rediculous!



sadly its true

I certain mine is switched off,I'll double check with my partner.

Original Poster

dcx_badass;5839070

I lolled.



:thumbsup:

Why is this so bad? It costs me nothing, it has minimal if any effect on my own internet usage and it provides a service to other people. Seems a good idea to me.
The option was clear to me when I signed up with BT and the principle of increasing web accessibility appeals to me.

This has been happening for ages, you get free usage at other BT Openzone/Fon access points if opted in. Opt out bt.com/wif…fon

melipona;5839096

Why is this so bad? It costs me nothing, it has minimal if any effect on … Why is this so bad? It costs me nothing, it has minimal if any effect on my own internet usage and it provides a service to other people. Seems a good idea to me.The option was clear to me when I signed up with BT and the principle of increasing web accessibility appeals to me.



Enjoy the group of chavs sitting on your front wall all night getting their free wifi :thumbsup:

dcx_badass;5839105

BRB downloading music and child porn on your internet.Yup I see no … BRB downloading music and child porn on your internet.Yup I see no problems with that.


You have to log in with your account details, username password. You leave a trail. Also it's a seperate wifi network to your home network, with maximum bandwith limited to 500k

Original Poster

melipona;5839096

Why is this so bad? It costs me nothing, it has minimal if any effect on … Why is this so bad? It costs me nothing, it has minimal if any effect on my own internet usage and it provides a service to other people. Seems a good idea to me.The option was clear to me when I signed up with BT and the principle of increasing web accessibility appeals to me.



It does affect your bandwidth if someone is using your HomeHub, don't forget that WiFi is half-duplex to begin with; the greater the number of clients the lower your Bandwidth constraints, and also who do you think BT have QoSed with the highest priority??? the pay per minute customers! If your BB is around 6Mb then you will share that with other public Joes.

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Paddy_o_furniture;5839120

You have to log in with your account details, username password. You … You have to log in with your account details, username password. You leave a trail. Also it's a seperate wifi network to your home network, with maximum bandwith limited to 500k



Its not a separate WiFi network its a separate SSID basically a VLAN, it still shares your BB line..

dcx_badass;5839105

BRB downloading music and child porn on your internet.Yup I see no … BRB downloading music and child porn on your internet.Yup I see no problems with that.



If you check out how it is used then you will see it needs a user logon themselves, this is not the same as an open wifi channel.

Banned

melipona;5839096

Why is this so bad? It costs me nothing, it has minimal if any effect on … Why is this so bad? It costs me nothing, it has minimal if any effect on my own internet usage and it provides a service to other people. Seems a good idea to me.The option was clear to me when I signed up with BT and the principle of increasing web accessibility appeals to me.



So you're not in the slightest bit concerned about the security implications on your network, or the legal implications asigned to your IP for the dodgy software and porn you might be accused of downloading?

Paddy_o_furniture;5839120

You have to log in with your account details, username password. You … You have to log in with your account details, username password. You leave a trail. Also it's a seperate wifi network to your home network, with maximum bandwith limited to 500k




Ahhhh. Ok .... that would be why!!!!!

What sort of bandwidth will visitors on my home hub get and will this effect my bandwidth?

The home user will always get priority and visitors will never get more than 512kbps.
512k is not very much. What's the point?

512kbps is ample for most on-the-go use which tends to be email or general web browsing.
It must reduce my bandwidth if someone else is using my system, right?

We prioritise bandwidth in favour of the hub owner. The bandwidth needed for services such as BT Vision or Internet phone calls are always prioritised for the owner of the BT FON home hub.
source
[COLOR=#0000ff]btfon.com/sup…aqs[/COLOR]

I ain't a fan of the service, it's easy to opt out, it may be useful for some people.

I wonder how much extra power this potentially consumes? Its not strictly 'free' as it will use a portion of your paid-for bandwidth and increase your power costs - probably only a few pence a year but it could be more if the service is hammered...

Not that I've counted but I reckon my bandwidth is 98% under utilized. I would compare this to giving somebody a glass of water from my metered supply, will I even notice?

jah128;5839189

I wonder how much extra power this potentially consumes? Its not strictly … I wonder how much extra power this potentially consumes? Its not strictly 'free' as it will use a portion of your paid-for bandwidth and increase your power costs - probably only a few pence a year but it could be more if the service is hammered...


It'll not count towards your allowance, same as VOD via BT vision doesn't

Paddy_o_furniture;5839208

It'll not count towards your allowance, same as VOD via BT vision doesn't



No, I mean the upload/download bandwidth of your ADSL line, not the download allowance. As you say the 512Kbps d/l limit won't impact too much on a 4MBps+ connection, but the ADSL upload bandwidth (which is usually far to small for most types of network connection anyway) could be significantly impacted :thumbsup:

Banned

melipona;5839191

Not that I've counted but I reckon my bandwidth is 98% under utilized. I … Not that I've counted but I reckon my bandwidth is 98% under utilized. I would compare this to giving somebody a glass of water from my metered supply, will I even notice?



Maybe.... but if bandwidth isnt an issue, Id expect BT to have no need to EVER cap or throttle any user.

jah128;5839237

No, I mean the upload/download bandwidth of your ADSL line, not the … No, I mean the upload/download bandwidth of your ADSL line, not the download allowance. As you say the 512Kbps d/l limit won't impact too much on a 4MBps+ connection, but the ADSL upload bandwidth (which is usually far to small for most types of network connection anyway) could be significantly impacted :thumbsup:


Very true, Upload on a standard BT upto 8meg circuit is 448Kbps.

Also remember this is a 2 way benefit, by providing the service to others it gives me the option to use the service when mobile. Seems like win a lot lose very little to me.

so in efect they are using your leccy to give free bb to others,hmmm i would charge them

I used the Fon hotspots in spain last year to make cheap voip calls home

melipona;5839280

Also remember this is a 2 way benefit, by providing the service to others … Also remember this is a 2 way benefit, by providing the service to others it gives me the option to use the service when mobile. Seems like win a lot lose very little to me.



I think in a lot of cases you are probably right - but there could be some areas (inner-city flats or places very near a hotel and the similar) where the service could have a significant impact on your broadband - I think its a pretty good idea overall, but definately should be opt-in rather than opt-out IMO.

Paddy_o_furniture;5839328

I used the Fon hotspots in spain last year to make cheap voip calls home


lol at your location
youtube.com/wat…184

raptorcigs;5839369

lol at your locationhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184


My fave family guy

Paddy_o_furniture;5839381

My fave family guy


i like the raccoon
youtube.com/wat…9f0

supermod

Thanks for the info Alfonse. I've just checked & mine's currently showing as :

You are not currently part of the BT FON Wi-Fi Community


but I never even realised the significance of that entry before, so now I'll know what it means if it changes with any upgrades etc. Wonder if it would work if you'd chosen not to broadcast your network name or if it over rides that option if selected. Seems very sneaky on BT's part.

raptorcigs;5839392

i like the raccoonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PziliU9r9f0


lol, love that show

Paddy_o_furniture;5839430

lol, love that show


youtube.com/wat…R=1

raptorcigs;5839437

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuvgeZ69rj0&NR=1


I used to prefer simpsons, much prefer this now. This has gone massivley o/t

Original Poster

Paddy_o_furniture;5839172

What sort of bandwidth will visitors on my home hub get and will this … What sort of bandwidth will visitors on my home hub get and will this effect my bandwidth?The home user will always get priority and visitors will never get more than 512kbps.512k is not very much. What's the point?512kbps is ample for most on-the-go use which tends to be email or general web browsing.It must reduce my bandwidth if someone else is using my system, right?We prioritise bandwidth in favour of the hub owner. The bandwidth needed for services such as BT Vision or Internet phone calls are always prioritised for the owner of the BT FON home hub.source[COLOR=#0000ff]http://www.btfon.com/support/faqs#point04[/COLOR]



This still doesn't mention that the number of clients will reduce your WiFi connectivity before even getting downstream to the Broadband Connection and further bandwidth issues, not to mention contention ratios on top of that.

It must be remembered that WiFi networking is Hub like and that every client reduces throughput and is almost 10 years behind wired networking in terms of functionality (excluding security measures), but if anyone wants to develop a REAL Wireless Switch they would be very rich indeed.

I don't see the problem personally. Everyone complains about the lack of wi-fi hotspots. If every hub user was a fon subscriber, there would be wi-fi everywhere. I'm opted in as you get free unlimited access at any hotspot by subscribing. Good deal for sacrificing 500kb of 8mb. 7.5 is plenty enough for me.

Original Poster

Scribbles;5839677

I don't see the problem personally. Everyone complains about the lack of … I don't see the problem personally. Everyone complains about the lack of wi-fi hotspots. If every hub user was a fon subscriber, there would be wi-fi everywhere. I'm opted in as you get free unlimited access at any hotspot by subscribing. Good deal for sacrificing 500kb of 8mb. 7.5 is plenty enough for me.



I see you read my above statement

:roll:

Alfonse;5839732

I see you read my above statement:roll:



I read the whole thread. My opinion still stands, fon is a good idea for those who want mobile connectivity. Im willing to make the sacrifice

Original Poster

Scribbles;5839781

I read the whole thread. My opinion still stands, fon is a good idea for … I read the whole thread. My opinion still stands, fon is a good idea for those who want mobile connectivity. Im willing to make the sacrifice



so you will know that its more than a 500k sacrifice and you have an unsecured VLAN (SSID) advertised from your router with beacon and probe responses from which your personal WiFi could be compromised.

thats fine then.

The VLAN access point is secured by user/pass. Just like a BT Openzone hotspot.

Original Poster

Scribbles;5839888

The VLAN access point is secured by user/pass. Just like a BT Openzone … The VLAN access point is secured by user/pass. Just like a BT Openzone hotspot.



OMG, thats to use the internet for the login, but you are already on the network before that point with an IP address and are able to, if inclined to snoop around check frames etc

thanks for the heads up,,,will check,,,

I read on the BT Fon site that it is completely safe as they are totally seperate network channels.
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