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    Hello,

    Im trying to build a gaming pc and kinda worried that the stuff wont work together.

    Heres the stuff Im getting

    -Crucial 240GB M500 SATA 6Gbps 2.5 SSD
    -Sapphire R9 280 DUAL-X 3GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
    -EVGA 600W Fully Wired 80+ Bronze Power Supply
    -Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Vengeance Memory Module CL10
    -Zalman Z11 Plus High Performance Mid Tower Case
    -Acer V226HQLBbd 21.5'' Full HD DVI VGA LED Monitor
    -AMD FX 9370 4.4GHz Socket AM3+ 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
    -Seagate 1TB Barracuda 3.5" SATA-III Hard Drive - 7200RPM 64MB Cache
    -MSI 970 GAMING Socket AM3+ 7.1-Channel HD Audio ATX Motherboard

    (All from Ebuyer)

    Thank's

    26 Comments

    How much are you paying for the 9370?. I suggest you get an 8350 and just overclock it to 4.7GHz and it will essentially be the 9370 with the same headroom.

    How much is the GPU?
    The rest is fine.
    Edited by: "rev6" 20th Dec 2014

    rev6

    How much are you paying for the 9370?. I suggest you get an 8350 and just … How much are you paying for the 9370?. I suggest you get an 8350 and just overclock it to 4.7GHz and it will essentially be the 9370 with the same headroom.How much is the GPU?The rest is fine.



    Good advice but if its first build may not be comfortable with overclocking just yet.

    How much is that complete build?

    As rev6 stated seems fine

    Original Poster

    rev6

    How much are you paying for the 9370?. I suggest you get an 8350 and just … How much are you paying for the 9370?. I suggest you get an 8350 and just overclock it to 4.7GHz and it will essentially be the 9370 with the same headroom.How much is the GPU?The rest is fine.



    Okay thanks
    The 9370 is £155
    The 8350 is £132
    Also the Graphic card is £160

    Original Poster

    Karlf1986

    Good advice but if its first build may not be comfortable with … Good advice but if its first build may not be comfortable with overclocking just yet.How much is that complete build?As rev6 stated seems fine


    Karlf1986

    Good advice but if its first build may not be comfortable with … Good advice but if its first build may not be comfortable with overclocking just yet.How much is that complete build?As rev6 stated seems fine




    Total is £660

    Godlikezebra

    Okay thanks The 9370 is £155 The 8350 is £132 Also the Graphic card is £ … Okay thanks The 9370 is £155 The 8350 is £132 Also the Graphic card is £160



    The difference between the CPU price wise is not much, but I still think getting the 8350 at the best price you can find, as it is the same CPU just overclocked. The motherboard has software that you can use to overclock within Windows in a few clicks.

    It will be a beast.
    Edited by: "rev6" 20th Dec 2014

    I'd drop the AMD FX and go intel, you will probably get a nice i5 4670k CPU for the premium of the FX9370, you will also save on the mobo as intel mobo are cheaper than amd for some strange reason. CL10 memory is crazy slow, you need to be looking at CL 8 or 9 at the slowest. Also go for the Nvidia 970 instead of the ati 280. Up the PSU to around 650-700 but keep with EVGA

    rev6

    I'd get this: … I'd get this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/VTX3D-280-X-Edition-Graphics-Express/dp/B00IY182ZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419110998&sr=8-1&keywords=280xThat will save you £20, and it's a step up from the 280 (basically a 7970, were as the 280 is a 7950).The difference between the CPU price wise is not much, but I still think getting the 8350 at the best price you can find, as it is the same CPU just overclocked. The motherboard has software that you can use to overclock within Windows in a few clickIt will be a beast.



    That is a 280...

    kester76

    I'd drop the AMD FX and go intel, you will probably get a nice i5 4670k … I'd drop the AMD FX and go intel, you will probably get a nice i5 4670k CPU for the premium of the FX9370, you will also save on the mobo as intel mobo are cheaper than amd for some strange reason. CL10 memory is crazy slow, you need to be looking at CL 8 or 9 at the slowest. Also go for the Nvidia 970 instead of the ati 280. Up the PSU to around 650-700 but keep with EVGA



    I agree, Intel is the better choice.
    If the CL10 RAM is a really good price, it should overclock well to 1866MHz adjusted timings. It's all based on the price of things and if it's worth it.
    The 970 is nearly £100 more.

    GAVINLEWISHUKD

    That is a 280...



    Yeah, damn their naming schemes. It's still saving him £17 lol.
    Edited by: "rev6" 20th Dec 2014

    rev6

    Yeah, damn their naming schemes. It's still saving him £17 lol.



    I know 'x-edition'. Cheeky beggers.

    Original Poster

    kester76

    http://www.ebuyer.com/262585-corsair-8gb-ddr3-1866mhz-vengeance-memory-cmz8gx3m2a1866c9Don't buy CL 10 memory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency



    Ill get that instead then

    thanks

    kester76

    http://www.ebuyer.com/262585-corsair-8gb-ddr3-1866mhz-vengeance-memory-cmz8gx3m2a1866c9Don't buy CL 10 memory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency



    Yes, timings are crucial for gaming performance. See below:

    http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image/mac/reviews/OCZ/OCZ3P1600LV6GK/OCZ_DDR3_12800_6GB-38.jpg

    http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image/mac/reviews/gskill/F3-16000CL9T-6GBTD/GSkill_Trident_PC316000_55.jpg

    Decompressing files too:

    http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4503/39732.png

    :P

    Edited by: "rev6" 20th Dec 2014

    kester76

    http://www.ebuyer.com/262585-corsair-8gb-ddr3-1866mhz-vengeance-memory-cmz8gx3m2a1866c9Don't buy CL 10 memory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency



    But not great if he goes Intel as 1.5v

    GAVINLEWISHUKD

    But not great if he goes Intel as 1.5v



    1.5v is the "standard" for Intel desktop CPU's. You won't damage anything running 1.5v, it's when you push 1.6v+

    Edited by: "rev6" 20th Dec 2014

    rev6

    Yes, timings are crucial for gaming performance. See below:Decompressing … Yes, timings are crucial for gaming performance. See below:Decompressing files too::P


    You pulled that one out of the bag but looking at those benchmarks me thinks they're a little bit old WinZip is at version 19 now

    kester76

    You pulled that one out of the bag but looking at those benchmarks me … You pulled that one out of the bag but looking at those benchmarks me thinks they're a little bit old WinZip is at version 19 now



    Yeah, I knew there wasn't much difference comparing frequencies and timings. I will try look for more up to date benchmarks (hard to find for things I'm familiar with).
    Edited by: "rev6" 20th Dec 2014

    rev6

    1.5v is the "standard" for Intel desktop CPU's. You won't damage anything … 1.5v is the "standard" for Intel desktop CPU's. You won't damage anything running 1.5v, it's when you push 1.6v+



    I've heard a few nettops use ddr3L which is 1.3v but I've not heard of any other issues but I only run AMD because it keeps my house warm

    kester76

    I've heard a few nettops use ddr3L which is 1.3v but I've not heard of … I've heard a few nettops use ddr3L which is 1.3v but I've not heard of any other issues but I only run AMD because it keeps my house warm



    The low powered SoC's don't support 1.5v usually, not that I know of. Intel desktop's on the other hand...
    Yeah, that's why I run AMD GPU's, keeps my feet warm while gaming.

    rev6

    The low powered SoC's don't support 1.5v usually, not that I know of. … The low powered SoC's don't support 1.5v usually, not that I know of. Intel desktop's on the other hand...Yeah, that's why I run AMD GPU's, keeps my feet warm while gaming.



    I can dry my hands with the r9 290 in summer

    rev6

    1.5v is the "standard" for Intel desktop CPU's. You won't damage anything … 1.5v is the "standard" for Intel desktop CPU's. You won't damage anything running 1.5v, it's when you push 1.6v+



    Yes you are correct. Its 1.65v thats ok with AMD and not Intel. Getting mixed up with the 1.35v sever memory.

    Why are you paying so much for a tower and then buying a £75 monitor?

    Godlikezebra

    The 9370 is £155 The 8350 is £132 Also the Graphic card is £160



    I thought the FX-9370 came with a closed loop cooler instead of the small air cooler of the 8350 but ebuyer are listing it as cooler not included (so you'll need to buy one separately if you go down that route) so perhaps they remove it when they lowered the price.

    As others have mentioned though, if you're not overclocking and gaming is your primary/only demanding use then an i5-4590/4690 of the same price will provide better performance, and significantly more power efficient too so you'll end up saving a few quid from the electricity bills.

    Your motherboard choice seems a little expensive, I'd be looking at closer to £50 for a non-overclocking setup unless you're buying it for a specific feature.
    Edited by: "EndlessWaves" 21st Dec 2014

    EndlessWaves

    I thought the FX-9370 came with a closed loop cooler instead of the small … I thought the FX-9370 came with a closed loop cooler instead of the small air cooler of the 8350 but ebuyer are listing it as cooler not included (so you'll need to buy one separately if you go down that route) so perhaps they remove it when they lowered the price.As others have mentioned though, if you're not overclocking and gaming is your primary/only demanding use then an i5-4590/4690 of the same price will provide better performance, and significantly more power efficient too so you'll end up saving a few quid from the electricity bills.Your motherboard choice seems a little expensive, I'd be looking at closer to £50 for a non-overclocking setup unless you're buying it for a specific feature.



    The 9370 no longer comes with a cooler, so if he was planning on clocking the 8350 to compete with the 9370, he's probably gonna need a better heatsink.
    I run Intel, but I have faith in the newer engines and with Mantle/DX12, these 8 core AMD CPU's might have some hidden power over Intel 4 core. Don't hold me to this though
    Motherboards are an interesting subject because spending that small amount less, you might lose a feature you really want.

    Edited by: "rev6" 21st Dec 2014

    rev6

    I run Intel, but I have faith in the newer engines and with Mantle/DX12, … I run Intel, but I have faith in the newer engines and with Mantle/DX12, these 8 core AMD CPU's might have some hidden power over Intel 4 core. Don't hold me to this though



    The trouble is, they're not real 8 core CPUs. They've got four 'one and a half' cores. Gaming generally makes heavy use of floating point calculations and AMD's FX-8000/9000 chips only have four sets of floating point units - the same as Intel and AMD's other 4 core designs (both the older Phenoms and the low power Jaguar/Puma/Etc.).

    rev6

    Motherboards are an interesting subject because spending that small … Motherboards are an interesting subject because spending that small amount less, you might lose a feature you really want.



    But on a tight budget that £20 could also gain you a useful feature elsewhere. DisplayPort input or a decent stand on the monitor for example.

    rev6

    I run Intel, but I have faith in the newer engines and with Mantle/DX12, … I run Intel, but I have faith in the newer engines and with Mantle/DX12, these 8 core AMD CPU's might have some hidden power over Intel 4 core. Don't hold me to this though

    rev6

    Motherboards are an interesting subject because spending that small … Motherboards are an interesting subject because spending that small amount less, you might lose a feature you really want.



    They do have 8 cores, but they share the floating point units.
    Stop trying to make me defend AMD CPU's, I don't own one!


    Edited by: "rev6" 21st Dec 2014
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