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    I am going for a confession, and should I say that I buy off supermarkets when there are deals on HUKD and sell them on eBay? Is it considered a sin?

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    Are you asking if capitalism is a sin? Or is general commerce a sin?

    What aspect of trading are you referring to? What religion are you concerned with?

    My bad, your talking as a catholic.

    well if that's a sin the church much be chock a block with shopkeepers each week!

    Original Poster

    I am catholic, I just got told off by a customer who found a receipt of an item in its original packaging, I know stupidity is a sin, but not sure about HUKD

    Mortal sins[edit]

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) defines these sins as grave matter:[24]
    (This is not necessarily all of the possible grave matters.)Abortion (any formal cooperation in it)
    Adulation of another's grave faults if it makes one an accomplice in another's vices or grave sins, but it is not grave when it only seeks to be agreeable, to avoid evil, to meet a need, or to obtain legitimate advantages
    Adultery
    Agnosticism
    Atheism
    Bestiality
    Blasphemy
    Contraception
    Cheating unless the damage inflicted is so small that one who suffers it cannot reasonably consider it significant[25]
    Defrauding a worker of his wages
    Deliberate failure to go to mass on holy days of obligation unless excused for a serious reason (for example illness or to care for infants) or dispensed by one's own pastor[26]
    Divorce (If civil divorce, which cannot do anything to the spiritual marriage in the eyes of God, remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the protection of inheritance, or the care of the children it is not a sin.)[27]
    Using drugs unless on strictly therapeutic grounds
    Endangering their own and others' safety by drunkenness or a love of speed on the road, at sea or in the air
    Envy (if to the level of wishing grave harm to another)
    Euthanasia
    Extortion
    Extramarital sex
    Extreme anger (at the level of truly and deliberately desiring to seriously hurt or kill someone)
    False allegations
    Fornication
    Hatred of a neighbor to the point of deliberately desiring him or her great harm
    Idolatry
    Incest
    Lying (the gravity is measured by "the truth it deforms, the circumstances, the intentions of the one who lies, and the harm suffered by its victims"[28] )
    Masturbation (The gravity is measured by conditions of anxiety, force of acquired habit, and/or emotional immaturity.)
    Murder and co-operation in murder (except when done in self-defense or defense of others when there is no other way). Abortion and euthanasia as well as acceptance by human society of murderous famines without trying to fix them are included as murder. "Unintentional killing is not morally imputable. But one is not exonerated from grave offense if, without proportionate reasons, he has acted in a way that brings about someone's death, even without the intention to do so.[29]
    Murder
    Perjury and false oaths
    Polygamy
    Pornography
    Prostitution "While it is always gravely sinful to engage in prostitution, the imputability of the offense can be attenuated by destitution, blackmail, or social pressure." [30]
    Rape
    Refusing or withholding a just wage
    Sacrilege
    Scandal (deliberately causing someone to sin gravely)
    Suicide "Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide." We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives." [31]
    Taking advantage of the poor
    Terrorism that threatens, wounds and kills indiscriminately
    Unfair wagers and cheating at games unless the damage is unusually light

    A venial sin meets at least one of the following criteria:
    1.It does not concern a "grave matter",
    2.It is not committed with full knowledge, or
    3.It is not committed with both deliberate and complete consent.

    As the above criteria are the three criteria for mortal sin stated negatively, a sin which met none of these extenuating conditions would necessarily be considered mortal.

    Each venial sin that one commits adds to holy orders that one must do. Penance left undone during life converts to punishment in purgatory. A venial sin can be left unconfessed so long as there is some purpose of amendment. One receives from the sacrament of reconciliation the grace to help overcome venial, as well as mortal sins. It is recommended that confession of venial sins be made.[4][5] Venial sins require some kind of penance.[6]

    According to the Magisterium, venial sins usually remain venial no matter how many one commits.[7] They cannot "add up" to collectively constitute a mortal sin, but their accumulation does lead to being more vulnerable to committing mortal sin.[8] There are cases where repeat offenses may become a grave matter. For instance, if one were to steal small amounts of property from a particular person, over time one would have stolen enough that it would develop into a serious theft from that person.[9]

    In all this, one ought not to take venial sin lightly, especially when committed deliberately. No one without a special grace (according to the Magisterium, given only to the Blessed Virgin Mary,[10]) can avoid even semi-deliberate venial sins entirely (according to the definition of Trent). But one must, even to avoid mortal sins, seek as far as possible to overcome venial sin. The Magisterium teaches that although a number of venial sins do not themselves add up to a mortal sin, each venial sin weakens the will further, and the more willing one becomes in allowing such falls, the more one is inclined towards, and will inevitably fall into (if one continues along this path), mortal sin.[11]

    varunax

    I am catholic, I just got told off by a customer who found a receipt of … I am catholic, I just got told off by a customer who found a receipt of an item in its original packaging, I know stupidity is a sin, but not sure about HUKD



    Perhaps he was commiting a sin by trying to get something cheaper than the normal price.

    Original Poster

    I am not sure if this scenario falls in to -> Taking advantage of the poor, or Unfair wagers and cheating at games unless the damage is unusually light

    Do you think £3 profit is considered "damage is unusually light"?

    I'd be more worried about all the masturbation!

    it may not be a sin but if you are buying to sell for profit it is something you should tell HMRC about

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    ibblackberry1

    A venial sin meets at least one of the following criteria:1.It does not … A venial sin meets at least one of the following criteria:1.It does not concern a "grave matter",2.It is not committed with full knowledge, or3.It is not committed with both deliberate and complete consent.As the above criteria are the three criteria for mortal sin stated negatively, a sin which met none of these extenuating conditions would necessarily be considered mortal.Each venial sin that one commits adds to holy orders that one must do. Penance left undone during life converts to punishment in purgatory. A venial sin can be left unconfessed so long as there is some purpose of amendment. One receives from the sacrament of reconciliation the grace to help overcome venial, as well as mortal sins. It is recommended that confession of venial sins be made.[4][5] Venial sins require some kind of penance.[6]According to the Magisterium, venial sins usually remain venial no matter how many one commits.[7] They cannot "add up" to collectively constitute a mortal sin, but their accumulation does lead to being more vulnerable to committing mortal sin.[8] There are cases where repeat offenses may become a grave matter. For instance, if one were to steal small amounts of property from a particular person, over time one would have stolen enough that it would develop into a serious theft from that person.[9]In all this, one ought not to take venial sin lightly, especially when committed deliberately. No one without a special grace (according to the Magisterium, given only to the Blessed Virgin Mary,[10]) can avoid even semi-deliberate venial sins entirely (according to the definition of Trent). But one must, even to avoid mortal sins, seek as far as possible to overcome venial sin. The Magisterium teaches that although a number of venial sins do not themselves add up to a mortal sin, each venial sin weakens the will further, and the more willing one becomes in allowing such falls, the more one is inclined towards, and will inevitably fall into (if one continues along this path), mortal sin.[11]



    I bought it at £15 sold at £27, my profit was £3, ( the item was £7 cheaper than Amazon. ), I hope 11% profit margin is considered "not grave"

    IamMT

    it may not be a sin but if you are buying to sell for profit it is … it may not be a sin but if you are buying to sell for profit it is something you should tell HMRC about



    indeed, that would be fraud and would be a crime (and probably a sin)

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    IamMT

    it may not be a sin but if you are buying to sell for profit it is … it may not be a sin but if you are buying to sell for profit it is something you should tell HMRC about



    Oh I am defo keeping the tax man happy, dont have a guilt on that end. The profit is not beyond £10000 so nothing much to worry at this stage, only around £100/month
    Edited by: "varunax" 16th Jul 2014

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    ibblackberry1

    I'd be more worried about all the masturbation!



    Once a priest told me that it is ok, because it does not involve hurting anyone else

    varunax

    Oh I am defo keeping the tax man happy, dont have a guilt on that end. … Oh I am defo keeping the tax man happy, dont have a guilt on that end. The profit is not beyond £10000 so nothing much to worry at this stage, only around £100/month

    that's £1200 pa taxable income, so I assume you don't have a job in which case good luck and say 3 Hail Marys.

    varunax

    Once a priest told me that it is ok, because it does not involve hurting … Once a priest told me that it is ok, because it does not involve hurting anyone else



    envy, divorce, fornication are sins but they don't involve harming others

    varunax

    Oh I am defo keeping the tax man happy, dont have a guilt on that end. … Oh I am defo keeping the tax man happy, dont have a guilt on that end. The profit is not beyond £10000 so nothing much to worry at this stage, only around £100/month



    £10k has no relevance to the fact that you need to declare yourself self employed, pay class 2 national insurance and submit a tax return. The £10k level will be relevant to your class 4 NIC and tax calculations.

    Banned

    Plus, if you have a 'second' job (not sure if have suplementary income such as this falls under the same rules though), it's fully taxable, even if you're not utilising your full tax-free allowance.

    Morally - I have no qualm in picking up the odd deal and deciding later if I want it or not - and selling on if I don't.
    Not a fan of people who buy out all remaining stick for the purpose of selling on. Not because I begrudge them making some money from it, but more that it takes away the opportunity for a bargain from everyone else.

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    ibblackberry1

    £10k has no relevance to the fact that you need to declare yourself self … £10k has no relevance to the fact that you need to declare yourself self employed, pay class 2 national insurance and submit a tax return. The £10k level will be relevant to your class 4 NIC and tax calculations.




    Yeah that i understand, I registered as self employed, have to fill in last years forms as well. I am clean on that end. You really dont want to get in to the wrong side of law in this country.

    Banned

    varunax

    Once a priest told me that it is ok, because it does not involve hurting … Once a priest told me that it is ok, because it does not involve hurting anyone else



    Out of interest how did this conversation go?

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    konimitsu

    Out of interest how did this conversation go?



    lol since then I have not confessed masturbation

    aldredd

    Plus, if you have a 'second' job (not sure if have suplementary income … Plus, if you have a 'second' job (not sure if have suplementary income such as this falls under the same rules though), it's fully taxable, even if you're not utilising your full tax-free allowance..



    No that's no correct, you can have any number of jobs but as long as the total earnings are lower than your personal allowance you will not suffer any income tax.

    What you are thinking of is that fact that if you are have a second job you will almost always get allocated a BR (basic rate) tax code which will deduct 20% tax from your earnings from the second job. However if your total earnings from employments is lower than your personal allowance you can arrange for HMRC to alter your tax codes or refund the over deducted tax so that at the end of the day you have suffered no tax liability.

    I'd say good on you, nearly everyone else does it including me, so yep it's fine :P

    You have as much right as everyone else to buy and sell the items. Someone bought an iPad from me once and I left the shops price tag on the box, he contacted me after asking me why I got it cheaper. I told him straight its none of his business and he was obviously happy with the price he paid - I was rude because he was too and I gave it to him for a good price. After I told him what I thought, he agreed he was being silly and wanted to keep it anyway (I offered a refund).

    Edited by: "joshp" 16th Jul 2014

    But was it a buy it now item or did they bid up to that price they paid?

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    joshp

    I'd say good on you, nearly everyone else does it including me, so yep … I'd say good on you, nearly everyone else does it including me, so yep it's fine :P You have as much right as everyone else to buy and sell the items. Someone bought an iPad from me once and I left the shops price tag on the box, he contacted me after asking me why I got it cheaper. I told him straight its none of his business and he was obviously happy with the price he paid - I was rude because he was too and I gave it to him for a good price. After I told him what I thought, he agreed he was being silly and wanted to keep it anyway (I offered a refund).

    they rather ask the supermarkets about 300-500% markups

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    bex85

    But was it a buy it now item or did they bid up to that price they paid?

    it was a buy it now item

    lol

    many people do immoral things to earn money.
    i wouldn't really classify this as a sin, but many people here dislike it
    their argument is if there's a scarce resource, it's fairer if everyone who genuinely wants one is able to get it, rather than the first person who comes along buying the whole selection and preventing others from benefiting.
    I think people wouldn't mind so much if you bought things that were on unlimited offer (e.g. 4 snickers for a £1, which would be a national deal) rather than a store-specific clear-out of a particular item at a very reduced rate.

    that said, some of the great deals are often goose chases and some of the widely available deals don't offer much profit once effort, selling fees and shipping is added on.
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