California police shot dead a 73-year-old dementia sufferer carrying a crucifix

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Found 15th Dec 2016
Another example of correct US Police procedures OR another transparent example which indicates they are too keen to shoot?

I know what I think. The same thing I have thought for years.

"California police shot dead a 73-year-old dementia sufferer after reports he might have a gun, only to find he was carrying a crucifix.
Bakersfield officials said officers opened fire at Francisco Serna seconds after he was pointed out to them.
Police said he refused officer commands to take his hands out of his pockets, and neighbours had complained he was threatening people and might be armed.
A 2015 study rated Bakersfield Police Department as the deadliest in the US.
Mr Serna's family said the shooting in the city, 110 miles (177km) north of Los Angeles, was murder."

"Bakersfield police chief Lyle Martin said Officer Reagan Selman fired seven shots at Serna when he was about 15-20ft (4-6m) away from him.
Officer Selman, and six other officers present, have been placed on routine administrative leave.
Chief Martin initially said the object found in Mr Serna's pocket was difficult to describe, without offering further details.
But a subsequent statement from Bakersfield Police Department read: "During a search of Mr Serna a dark colored simulated woodgrain crucifix was recovered.
"Mr Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No firearm has been recovered."

Let us hope your own fathers do not get dementia & end up walking the streets with .... a bible or a wooden spoon.

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America is in a sorry state. In a country where so many people carry guns and are prepared to use them, this is bound to happen. I'm not defending all of the police, as there are probably some real horrible ones out there, but a lot of them must just be terrified on a daily basis just going to work. It's created a kill or be killed attitude.

Obvious anti-Christian thread-baiting is obvious.

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Obvious anti-Christian thread-baiting is obvious.



I am just going to wait for the obvious peeps to try & justify this one.

Perhaps the crucifix looked like it was made out of gunmetal with a Holy Ghost Trigger.

However the 73 year old with dementia must have looked suspect for one of the 7 officers on the scene to shoot him dead 6 times over.
Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 15th Dec 2016

How these cops keep getting away with these ruthless acts in the states is obscene. My eyes have always been open to the corruption in that country but having seen so many ruthless, and typically race related police brutality crimes make themselves onto the Internet via Facebook and Twitter clips, but yet it still seems to be taking place more ridiculously than ever for this modern day at least, these cops must know that it's highly likely they aren't going to be punished for the way they treat folk so wrongly at times. I feel bad for the 'good cops' who genuinely go to work to do the law abiding job they signed up, and risk their life to do every day. But man, something has to change in that country someday in regards to the gun laws they have for the general public AND the filtering of corruption.. I just have no idea how they are going to set about doing it successfully though. So many people own and carry guns.. How could they get rid of them all

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chantelle310

How these cops keep getting away with these ruthless acts in the states … How these cops keep getting away with these ruthless acts in the states is obscene.



To be fair it was only one of the 7 Police on the scene that shot him 6 times over. Its like one for himself & another one each for those that didnt shoot.

YouDontWantToKnow

To be fair it was only one of the 7 Police on the scene that shot him 6 … To be fair it was only one of the 7 Police on the scene that shot him 6 times over. Its like one for himself & another one each for those that didnt shoot.




I would not be surprised if stats somehow could be proven, it would be 1 in 7 (or even less) that are in one way or another corrupt. Its a real shame. The Netflix documentary '13th' is a real eye opener for people who's eyes aren't already open on the state a certain police brutality/discrimination subject... And thats just the one subject. Many other reasons for unprofessional and ruthless behaviour from these cops exist too. I've never been to America but the current state of the country is enough to make me not plan on taking a trip there anytime soon.

I don't know why anyone replies to any of his posts. He loves to stir the pot. I said it before Reddit is an ideal place for this not HUKD

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batezy_1984

I don't know why anyone replies to any of his posts. He loves to stir the … I don't know why anyone replies to any of his posts. He loves to stir the pot. I said it before Reddit is an ideal place for this not HUKD



What? My posts?

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Obvious anti-Christian thread-baiting is obvious.



​yeah seems like a bait thread. Enjoy it you don'twanttoknow, hope it gives you a happy Thursday.

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davewave

​yeah seems like a bait thread. Enjoy it you don'twanttoknow, hope it g … ​yeah seems like a bait thread. Enjoy it you don'twanttoknow, hope it gives you a happy Thursday.



Whats wrong Dave? Doesnt the thread suit you?

YouDontWantToKnow

What? My posts?



Yes. Couldn't really be any more clear could I. Then again you really wanted me to reply. So consider this one my last.

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batezy_1984

Yes. Couldn't really be any more clear could I. Then again you really … Yes. Couldn't really be any more clear could I. Then again you really wanted me to reply. So consider this one my last.



Sorry. I have no idea who you are or why you are getting hostile & insulting. In fact I dont ever think we have exchanged comments before? In fact I am pretty sure of it.
Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 15th Dec 2016

YouDontWantToKnow

I am just going to wait for the obvious peeps to try & justify this one. … I am just going to wait for the obvious peeps to try & justify this one. Perhaps the crucifix looked like it was made out of gunmetal with a Holy Ghost Trigger. However the 73 year old with dementia must has looked suspect for one of the 7 officers on the scene to shoot him dead 6 times over.



" justify this one"

Justify this one of what? The guy threatened several neighbours with what they claimed was a gun, the police turned up, the man approached them with what they were told was a gun concealed in his pocket, he refused to show his hands and thinking their lives were in danger they shot him.
Despite what you imagine in your lurid little fantasies 'cops' don't enjoy killing people even in self-defence, the memory of this will haunt those police officers for the rest of their lives, even more so because what they believed to be a weapon turned out to be nothing but a crucifix.

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Fred Smith

" justify this one"Justify this one of what? The guy threatened several … " justify this one"Justify this one of what? The guy threatened several neighbours with what they claimed was a gun, the police turned up, the man approached them with what they were told was a gun concealed in his pocket, he refused to show his hands and thinking their lives were in danger they shot him.Despite what you imagine in your lurid little fantasies 'cops' don't enjoy killing people even in self-defence, the memory of this will haunt those police officers for the rest of their lives, even more so because what they believed to be a weapon turned out to be nothing but a crucifix.



Dont get in front of yourself Fred. You do it all the time. First reports are always dodgy.

How is your dad? Does he have dementia & is he a Christian?

YouDontWantToKnow

Dont get in front of yourself Fred. You do it all the time. First reports … Dont get in front of yourself Fred. You do it all the time. First reports are always dodgy. How is your dad? Does he have dementia & is he a Christian?



Died over 20-years ago, no he didn't and no he wasn't.

YouDontWantToKnow

I am just going to wait for the obvious peeps to try & justify this one. … I am just going to wait for the obvious peeps to try & justify this one. Perhaps the crucifix looked like it was made out of gunmetal with a Holy Ghost Trigger. However the 73 year old with dementia must have looked suspect for one of the 7 officers on the scene to shoot him dead 6 times over.


How do you shoot someone dead, six times?

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Fred Smith

Died over 20-years ago, no he didn't and no he wasn't.



Thats a shame. Mine died about 8 years ago. But I can tell you he would never have had a gun.

The same info that it coming out is an act of damage limitation.

Shot 6 times by one officer not the other 6 of them. The officer that shot him dead with 6 bullets (maybe 7) was circa 5 metres away. He shot the ill man within 15 seconds of someone saying "thats him".. & the dead grandad had nothing.

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stuarthanley

How do you shoot someone dead, six times?



Well you could shot someone dead 60 times. It depends on what your magazine holds & the bloke that fires the weapon.

It was overkill for sure. 6 other police never fired.

YouDontWantToKnow

Well you could shot someone dead 60 times. It depends on what your … Well you could shot someone dead 60 times. It depends on what your magazine holds & the bloke that fires the weapon. It was overkill for sure. 6 other police never fired.


But you can't shoot them dead more than once.

YouDontWantToKnow

Thats a shame. Mine died about 8 years ago. But I can tell you he would … Thats a shame. Mine died about 8 years ago. But I can tell you he would never have had a gun. The same info that it coming out is an act of damage limitation. Shot 6 times by one officer not the other 6 of them. The officer that shot him dead with 6 bullets (maybe 7) was circa 5 metres away. He shot the ill man within 15 seconds of someone saying "thats him".. & the dead grandad had nothing.



You think if a 'cop' or anyone else for that matter got their kicks from killing people they would do it in front of video cameras and an audience?

Be a man and say what you think - do you believe the police officer shot this man for fun?

YouDontWantToKnow

Dont get in front of yourself Fred. You do it all the time. First reports … Dont get in front of yourself Fred. You do it all the time. First reports are always dodgy. How is your dad? Does he have dementia & is he a Christian?


"First reports are always dodgy" and yet you've formed your opinion on one.

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stuarthanley

But you can't shoot them dead more than once.



Its overkill.

Have you ever been shooting for game? If you hit it once it is down you dont then track it down & shoot it 5 more times.

YouDontWantToKnow

Its overkill. Have you ever been shooting for game? If you hit it once it … Its overkill. Have you ever been shooting for game? If you hit it once it is down you dont then track it down & shoot it 5 more times.


But once they're dead, shooting them 5 more times doesn't kill them again... Unless he was a zombie

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Fred Smith

You think if a 'cop' or anyone else for that matter got their kicks from … You think if a 'cop' or anyone else for that matter got their kicks from killing people



Do you think psychopaths are just residing nice & comfy in the general population or are in mental institutions?

Until there is video I'm going to reserve judgement and not jump to conclusions about if the police were trigger happy or not, a man was reported to the police in one of the most heavily armed and dangerous countries in the world, he had something in his pocket and refused to take his hands out of his pocket.

Based on that information knowing that you face armed people probably every day in your life just think how you would react, there is a fine line between trigger happy and self preservation. So where is the video they do tend to be filmed by someone or something these days.
Edited by: "Segata-Sanshiro" 15th Dec 2016

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stuarthanley

But once they're dead, shooting them 5 more times doesn't kill them … But once they're dead, shooting them 5 more times doesn't kill them again... Unless he was a zombie



Overkill was my point. Once the target is disabled its disabled

YouDontWantToKnow

Overkill was my point. Once the target is disabled its disabled


Perhaps the cop thought that Christianity is far more dangerous than a gun.

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Error440

Until there is video I'm going to reserve judgement



Bearing in mind 7 police officers have already been suspended within hours of the killing I think you might see some video soon...

Most likely bad footage from their body cams but you will see some.

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stuarthanley

Perhaps the cop thought that Christianity is far more dangerous than a … Perhaps the cop thought that Christianity is far more dangerous than a gun.



Who knows? Its just a serious own goal for those defending the brutality of some of the US Police.
Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 15th Dec 2016

"Police say that Mr Serna accosted two different people in his southwest Bakersfield neighbourhood, before the fatal encounter with police.
In the first incident, a neighbour said Mr Serna was banging on windows and doors outside his house on Sunday afternoon, while keeping one hand on an object inside his pocket.
When the man opened his door, Mr Serna grabbed his hand to pull him outside while challenging him to fight, according to the neighbour, who did not initially report the incident to police.
The man believed that Mr Serna was carrying a pistol, he later said.
In the second incident, Mr Serna approached two female neighbours in their driveway shortly after midnight and demanded to see inside their vehicle.
Mr Serna again kept his hand on an object inside his jacket pocket during the encounter.
The woman ran inside her house and called police to report that she had seen a dark brown or black-handled object which she believed was a gun.
As officers spoke to the women, Mr Serna left his house and began walking towards them, which led to the fatal shooting, said police"

Perhaps publishing what led up to the shooting rather than editing for your own means might help.

shame if they had been a community they may have known he had dementia and could have advised the police, I wounder why they did not just shoot his are to disable him?

fell sorry for the man and the cop

They should arm police with boomerangs .. Less deadly and far more comedic effect .

Why cant the cops disable the suspect by shooting his arms??
Why is it always necessary to kill the person??
Aren't they competent enough with the firearms to be able to do this??

amis1975

Why cant the cops disable the suspect by shooting his arms??Why is it … Why cant the cops disable the suspect by shooting his arms??Why is it always necessary to kill the person??Aren't they competent enough with the firearms to be able to do this??


"Officers are trained to shoot at “center mass”, roughly the chest region, because they're more likely to hit the target and stop an imminent threat. ... Lawmakers have in the past attempted to introduce so called “minimum force” measures that would require officers to shoot a dangerous suspect in the arm or leg"

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stuarthanley

"Officers are trained to shoot at “center mass”, roughly the chest reg … "Officers are trained to shoot at “center mass”, roughly the chest region, because they're more likely to hit the target and stop an imminent threat. ... "



In which case it doesnt require 6 bullets

YouDontWantToKnow

In which case it doesnt require 6 bullets


That I don't understand. A double tap to the chest would be the norm I'd imagine. 6 Bullets is definitely Overkill.

I wouldn't trust cops over there with tazers nevermind guns, far too trigger happy. The country is bonkers and until gun laws change, things like this won't stop.

YouDontWantToKnow

In which case it doesnt require 6 bullets


requires 8 if it's an octopus-man

http://i63.tinypic.com/rkub28.jpg

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stuarthanley

is definitely Overkill.



Ah. Now you get what overkill is.

amis1975

Why cant the cops disable the suspect by shooting his arms??Why is it … Why cant the cops disable the suspect by shooting his arms??Why is it always necessary to kill the person??Aren't they competent enough with the firearms to be able to do this??



What a stupid comment. If they miss his arms and he is carrying a gun, they're dead. It's not a videogame
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