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Found 20th May 2014
OK, so without going into the boring details, we're debating whether or not to keep our car and a big factor is whether or not we should replace the cam belt within the next 3 months. If we keep it without doing it, which is the hope I guess, the car would do absolutely no more than 100 miles per month.

It was done in December 2008 at 36,500 miles, and it now has 74k on the clock. I know the advisory for the car (2003 Hyundai Coupe, 2.7 V6) is 5 years or 50k. Can anyone say whether the age or mileage is more relevant? I'm hoping that since it's had less than 40k since the last change, we would be OK with it for another 6-plus months and very low mileage.

(If people think no, it absolutely must be replaced urgently, then along with some tyre work, we'd basically say "OK we've got no choice but to sell.)

Thanks for any help!
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op, can I tag along in your thread a ask a similar question re a ford galaxy?
got a ford galaxy, spoke to Ford who say can belt should be change d at 120,000 miles or ten years, whichever comes first. cars done 82,000.

just wanted opinions from other ford galaxy users.
You should never gamble with a cambelt, Age and mileage count as they tend to perish over time. How much is anyones guess, How longs a piece of string?.

However as it's a relatively old car it might be worth a gamble, If you're only going to have it a year then probably not worth doing however when it comes to selling it may put people off.


Also must add, Can be quite scary when a cambelt snaps at 70mph, Massive bang and could quite easily cause an accident..!!!.

Edited by: ".MUFC." 20th May 2014
I think you must change it or any warranty becomes void . It may well last another 5 years but if it breaks your engine will almost certainly be beyond repair . Some are not too difficult to replace and you may get an affordable price from an independent garage .
Personally, I would get the cam belt changed (or sell clearly stating that the cam belt is due for change). The cam belt on our last car snapped whilst doing 70 mph and the repair bill was not pretty at all. There must be a reason why manufacturers state x miles or x years whichever is earlier (even if the car does not do a lot of miles).
Is it an automatic? If so they tend to be lighter on belts.

But realistically the cars only worth £1k so its not worth spending the money and its only done 40k since then I'd leave it. At that age you wont lose out on a sale price. If it works and has an mot and is sensibly priced it will sell.

Edited by: "GAVINLEWISHUKD" 20th May 2014
My bros cars belt just broke! so if its near then dont take a chance! Its cost him £500+ to put right!
EN1GMA if it's diesel have the EGR valve deleted ( Blanked ). May require a remap to get rid of cel light. Egr clogs up, clogs your turbo etc..

From your previous posts I assume you've got the mk3 Galaxy which is solely made by Ford.

I've got the MK2 1.9tdi, I recently blanked my egr, the performance is much better, the engine is much smoother and I've seen an increase of fuel economy, Was getting around 40mpg now 50mpg, I even had the trip displaying 63mpg at one point, Yes not accurate but most definitely a vast improvement.

Mixed responses...tougher to decide. We would probably not risk it if we'd had the car longer or would keep it longer, but basically we bought it 6 months ago, have sunk money into it, and could really do with using it for 2 more months, or absolutely no more than 6 more. If we sold now it'd be a nightmare TBH. We were basically hoping...OK, let's put some tyres on, use it for a little while longer, then sell it; at least we covered our use (a critical couple weeks coming up where we need it most) and got more out of our initial investment (tax/insurance etc).

At least if we knew it HAD to be replaced the decision isn't ours, I can't help but think the cambelt snapping in the next 3 months is unlikely given the low mileage since change and the stupid low mileage which will go on it. Then we could sell it in August or something and we'd have gotten the best of all worlds (relatively speaking, wish I hadn't bought the damn thing but hindsight eh).
If in doubt get it done, as a replacment cam belt will be anywhere between £250 and £400 depending on how much work is required to get it off and on. Make sure the waterpump and tensioners are changed as well.

Water pump failure is just asbad as the cambelt snapping.

If the belt were to snap that would mean the head would need replacing @ £40 (2nd hand from a scrappy taken off by yourself), new gaskets and bolts at @50, new cam belt kit at say £120 for arguments sake (some are more expensive) and £40 for a water pump. Then theres the labour costs for at least 3 hours work so minimum of £180. Total: 430 minimum
My doubt comes purely from caution... important to say that. Have only really thought about this after seeing the date stamp on the engine, no performance issues or otherwise.

As far as replacing costs, well frankly if it did go tomorrow, the car's going straight on Gumtree for parts or to the scrap, whatever, point is we'd be done with it. But speaking of costs, one thing I haven't asked is... how much is it likely to cost to just get it replaced before it breaks? I hadn't initially thought much, but mrs Googled something to the tune of £400? Hence reason for trying to avoid. I should Google it myself now, but HUKD has always been more informative for me!!
If I were in a position of buying an used car that's coming close to 5 years or 50k, I would factor in the cost of getting the cambelt replaced. How likely for the cambelt to fail once it reaches 5 years or 50k is questionable but I personally would rather have a peace of mind.
It's literally a gamble.
drunksuperhero

My doubt comes purely from caution... important to say that. Have only … My doubt comes purely from caution... important to say that. Have only really thought about this after seeing the date stamp on the engine, no performance issues or otherwise. As far as replacing costs, well frankly if it did go tomorrow, the car's going straight on Gumtree for parts or to the scrap, whatever, point is we'd be done with it. But speaking of costs, one thing I haven't asked is... how much is it likely to cost to just get it replaced before it breaks? I hadn't initially thought much, but mrs Googled something to the tune of £400? Hence reason for trying to avoid. I should Google it myself now, but HUKD has always been more informative for me!!



Put it this way. The car is worth about £1k. If you get it done and sell it in 6 months its still going to be worth £1k. In the very unlikely chance to goes you will probably get £300 for it. So it's down to the risk of the £300 in exchange for spending £400 (£300 sale+the £400 you would have spent minus the £1k value).
Just had mine done last week, cambelt kit and water pump changed on a Clio, cost me £240 in my local garage, you need to ring around for quotes as each make and model will differ, and a dealer will likely be more expensive than a small garage
mikey_d

Just had mine done last week, cambelt kit and water pump changed on a … Just had mine done last week, cambelt kit and water pump changed on a Clio, cost me £240 in my local garage, you need to ring around for quotes as each make and model will differ, and a dealer will likely be more expensive than a small garage



Yes sadly a cambelt kit is £150 and a water pump (cheap) £45 and then your looking at 2.5 hours fitting. So even at cheap garage your looking at the best part of £350.
How do I find out if my car has a chain or a belt? as I understand it the chains don't need replacing? (if so, why aren't they all chains?!)
sancho1983

How do I find out if my car has a chain or a belt? as I understand it the … How do I find out if my car has a chain or a belt? as I understand it the chains don't need replacing? (if so, why aren't they all chains?!)



Put your reg in at carparts4less and select cam kit from the service menu. It will indicate what you need.

As for chains. The main reason is they are noisy compared to belts (and more expensive). In many cars like diesels, 3 cylinder petrol and commercial they are noisy anyway so it's less of an issue. Thy can degrade after time so most manufactures set a time or distance. This normally ranges from 10-12 years and 100-160k miles.
Chains rarely snap and often suggested they last the lifetime of the engine, Well perhaps that's true because when/if they snap it's bye bye engine.

I've had cars with chains, Never worried about having them changed, They tend to get noisy at around 100k.

I've not heard of many people having chains snap but plenty of cambelt snaps.

If I had newer cars with high mileage I'd have them changed but at a certain point it becomes false economy.
Are there any warning signs that a cam belt needs changing - noises or anything - or does it just snap?
Butterbean

Are there any warning signs that a cam belt needs changing - noises or … Are there any warning signs that a cam belt needs changing - noises or anything - or does it just snap?



Mine just snapped,no warning at all!!

I was very peeved as the belt was only a year old,turned out it was fitted incorrectly(more like not even replaced at all I reckon despite paying for it to be done)

Quite scary when it snaps,was driving at speed and the noise was horrible!

Managed to get my car repaired by the prat that caused it in the first place and kept it for a good while longer

Butterbean

Are there any warning signs that a cam belt needs changing - noises or … Are there any warning signs that a cam belt needs changing - noises or anything - or does it just snap?



They can sometimes slip teeth ( usually effecting the timing ) However 99.9% they just snap, 80% of the time resulting in bent valves etc..

That's why it's extremely important to have them changed, Also when buying a car don't gamble on someones word, Make sure it's in it's service history and if unsure check with the garage it was done.

If you can't be sure have the cambelt done anyway, When you have to replace the head/valves often the car is never the same again.
shauneco

Chains rarely snap and often suggested they last the lifetime of the … Chains rarely snap and often suggested they last the lifetime of the engine, Well perhaps that's true because when/if they snap it's bye bye engine.I've had cars with chains, Never worried about having them changed, They tend to get noisy at around 100k.I've not heard of many people having chains snap but plenty of cambelt snaps.If I had newer cars with high mileage I'd have them changed but at a certain point it becomes false economy.



It only becomes false economy if the car is bleeding you dry cost wise with other things.
If you have an old car that's running away quite the thing and you plan to keep it then its worth it.

My car was 9 years old /70 odd k when I changed the belt,10 years old when it snapped.
If it had snapped because I hadn't changed it it would have been tough. Because I had paid a lot of money I chased it and got it sorted. It ended up getting a reconditioned engine in it,that car is still going strong at nearly 14 years old now(with another owner)I'm sure it will get to 200k easy!

If I didn't get a good deal on the car I have now I would have kept it for tootling back and forward to work. One of the cheapest, most reliable cars I have had. Parts as cheap as chips and in the 4 years I had it hardly a spot of bother.
Genuinely a cracking wee car and yes shock horror to some it was a Renault


If only the same can be said for my husbands car!!
shauneco

They can sometimes slip teeth ( usually effecting the timing ) However … They can sometimes slip teeth ( usually effecting the timing ) However 99.9% they just snap, 80% of the time resulting in bent valves etc..That's why it's extremely important to have them changed, Also when buying a car don't gamble on someones word, Make sure it's in it's service history and if unsure check with the garage it was done.If you can't be sure have the cambelt done anyway, When you have to replace the head/valves often the car is never the same again.



the galaxy ive bought has the full 7 year history with stamps. would garages give that info on what works have been carried out? thinking of calling the various garages where its been serviced to see what works have been done.
EN1GMA

the galaxy ive bought has the full 7 year history with stamps. would … the galaxy ive bought has the full 7 year history with stamps. would garages give that info on what works have been carried out? thinking of calling the various garages where its been serviced to see what works have been done.



Some garages keep info and records, Some will be happy to help. It's worth a try.
80,000 miles or 10 years. That what it says.
ask a few dealers questions mate . We are not specialists on here and if you seek any wrong advice from here then unfortunately hukd won't take any blame

I'd carry on as it was done 5-6 years ago. anyway it won't cost a ££££££ s to replace it would it?? just under £160 including fitting but that depends which garage etc.
sofiasar

80,000 miles or 10 years. That what it says. ask a few dealers questions … 80,000 miles or 10 years. That what it says. ask a few dealers questions mate . We are not specialists on here and if you seek any wrong advice from here then unfortunately hukd won't take any blame I'd carry on as it was done 5-6 years ago. anyway it won't cost a ££££££ s to replace it would it?? just under £160 including fitting but that depends which garage etc.



There are specialists on here. Granted they still won't be liable for advice given, but there are some people who do this for a living. Shauneco has helped me out loads with car stuff
Couple of points:

It isnt just the belt. The cambelt also goes around a number of other items - as a minimum there will be a tensioner (and probably a roller) that should be replaced at the same time - these will be provided in a proper kit.

On many engines the water pump is also driven from the same belt. Sometime the water pump should be replaced with the belt, sometimes there is no interval specified - I would usually change the pump at the same time because the extra cost is minimal compared to the expense of having to take the whole thing apart again if the pump needs doing.

The tensioners are a common failure point.

It is generally easy to look at the condition of the belt, there will be a cover (usually several) and you can usually remove this and see the belt - if it is frayed or splitting or the teeth are failing then it needs replacing asap.

Wear on the belt is greater with the number of starts so low mileage isnt good if it means lots of engine starts.

If I was the OP I would take the view that the car isnt worth much anyway. I'd take the cover off and if the belt looks OK then stay with it. Check coolant regularly and listen for any strange noises - especially squealing that might indicate a roller or tensioner has seized.

Do a quick check on the forums and see if that engine has a name for throwing belts. Some engines are famous for it (alfa twin spark I'm talking about you..)
Thanks for all the advice from anyone who's posted. We're just gonna do it. Sucks but that's cars eh. Mrs needs a safe drive and although it's **** economy for her, I can't take back buying it and it's a nice drive, so hopefully nothing else crops up.

Cheers!
Gave shaune the answer credit, wasn't really one answer and just a case of choosing safe over sorry based on many people's responses, but he gave a lot of good stuff. Not even sure the credit works the same way it does in some place... but cheers anyway!
drunksuperhero

Gave shaune the answer credit, wasn't really one answer and just a case … Gave shaune the answer credit, wasn't really one answer and just a case of choosing safe over sorry based on many people's responses, but he gave a lot of good stuff. Not even sure the credit works the same way it does in some place... but cheers anyway!




Just want to be clear that it wasn't me that downvoted this statement.
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