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    Can anyone Help Me???

    Hi, I need an outdoors CCTV which either plays straight onto my TV or which records??
    The reason for this is, someone keeps damaging my car which is parked in our communal private carpark at our brand new flat block. The carpark has electric gates which you can only get in if you have a fob so i know its someone who lives here.
    They left some letters on my car telling me not to park there, then they left a threatening one. Now they have keyed my car bad and obviously the police wont do anything because there is no proof so now i feel i need to get proof to feel safe.
    Does anyone know where cheapest place is or any good deals or recommendations.
    Obviously only want a cheap one and one that isnt obvious so they damaged that.
    Thanks.

    22 Comments

    the police are poo! they should have fingerprinted the letter!!!

    Original Poster

    But they wont. My boyfriend works night so im home alone and im begginning to feel scared. Thats not right so i need to get the proof myself.
    You dont expect this sort of behaviour in a brand new block of flats that are nice, in quite a nice area but i suppose these sad idiots are everywhere!!

    thats a good idea...what did the letter actually say? whats the problem?

    I cant stand people like this, i really hope you find out who it is and i REALLY hope they get what they deserve!!!

    You should not feel scared as this person/people are complete cowards, just look at the way they are dealing with the situation.

    To answer your question i think maplins do something that will help

    maplin.co.uk/Sea…D=Y

    there is a cheap version at 49.99 but you may want the higher res one depending on how far away the car is.

    Or perhaps this

    ebuyer.com/pro…ews

    might help, the reviews sound promising.

    Good luck, and please let us know how you get on, i like it when people get whats coming to them.!!

    BFM

    Just go chuck a tin of paint over ALL the other cars.

    Well this is cheap ]http//ww…764

    You could use this to record it on to your computer (can use upto 4 cameras) ]http//ww…127

    All for about £25.

    Playing the devils advocate, but if you are planning on filming and especially recording a communal area you are open to prosecution and you must be fully compliant with the data protection act. Particularly note the highlighted last line, the law really is an ass you can catch someone blatantly vandalising your property but the evidence is inadmissable because it breaks the privacy laws GRRR,

    One possible way round this would be to "catch" them on a digital video or normal digital camera with video function as this is not cctv and it could be that you have happened to catch them in the act! So if you say catch them on a cctv digitally recorded you could then transfer the footage to your memory card and claimed you caught it on there depending on angle of footage, that seems to be one way round it

    [CENTER]All installed CCTV systems that have the ability to record video … [CENTER]All installed CCTV systems that have the ability to record video information, with the exception of those on domestic property, are subject to the terms of the Data Protection Act 1998.The rules state that anyone processing personal data must comply with the eight enforceable principles of good practice. They state that any gathered data must be:-[/CENTER][LIST][*]Fairly and lawfully processed.[*]Processed for limited purposes.[*]Adequate, relevant and not excessive.[*]Accurate.[*]Not retained for longer than is necessary.[*]Processed in accordance with the rights of the data subject.[*]Secure.[*]Not transferred to countries without adequate protection.[/LIST][CENTER]A CCTV System must be notified to the Information Commissioner if it meets the following criteria:-[/CENTER][LIST][*] [LEFT]Does the system collect data?[/LEFT][*] [LEFT]Can the data collected be classed as personal data about a particular individual, who can be identified with or without the information?[/LEFT][*] [LEFT]Can the system automatically process the recordings to show a specific time-period?[/LEFT][/LIST][CENTER]Failure to register a system that meets the criteria laid down above is a criminal offence.[/CENTER] [CENTER]For the information recorded by a CCTV system to be admissible as evidence then it must be collected legally. This means that the system must comply with the Act and so people must be warned that CCTV is in operation. An exception to this can be made for covert surveillance being used to try to stop a specific criminal activity involving specific individuals.[/CENTER] [CENTER]One effect of the law is that it requires that the information gathered by a system cannot be used for any other purposes other than for that it was originally designed, for example: you cannot sell the videos for entertainment purposes.[/CENTER] [CENTER]Other implications of the Act are :- [/CENTER][LIST][*] [LEFT]Recordings must be protected against unauthorised access.[/LEFT][*] [LEFT]Systems must be designed such that they only record relevant images. Therefore the fields of view of cameras must be set up correctly to ensure that they do not include unnecessary details or intrude into the privacy of any neighbouring areas.[/LEFT][*] [LEFT]Information stored on recordings must be 'accurate'. In practical terms this means that all CCTV systems must be correctly configured and maintained, with older analogue systems this requires a program of VCR maintenance and tape replacement to be in place.[/LEFT][*] [LEFT]Recordings should not be kept for longer than necessary to fulfill the needs of the system.[/LEFT][*] [LEFT]People have the right to prevent recording their images being recorded. This is normally and achieved by the use of warning signs advising people that if they enter the area beyond their images will be recorded.[/LEFT][*] [LEFT]People also have the right to request access to recorded images of themselves. Warning signs must give details of who is responsible for the administration of the CCTV system and/or who to contact to request copies of the recorded information.[/LEFT][/LIST][CENTER]Due to several recent court cases, the accepted definition of what is termed as personal information with regard to the Act has become more defined. This has resulted in many CCTV systems which were previously subject to the full requirements of the Act being now largely exempt. Significantly, this is the case for CCTV systems using a small number of cameras to record general area views such as in a shop.[/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=Blue]Please note that to prevent any infringement of European Human Rights Legislation CCTV Systems should only cover areas of your property.[/COLOR][/CENTER]

    More info in the DPA 1988 PDF Here: ico.gov.uk/upl…pdf

    You could always get your boyfriend to take your car to work. Or on his day off get him to hide in the back and then he can jump out on them!

    Original Poster

    thej;2521919

    You could try moving your car and see who parks in the space,might give … You could try moving your car and see who parks in the space,might give you a clue as to who is doing it.



    Yeh thought about that, but i think its the person who parks in the space next to it that has the problem but just need to prove it.

    bellabonkers;2521920

    thats a good idea...what did the letter actually say? whats the problem?



    The 1st letter said 'THIS IS NOT UR SPACE PLEASE MOVE IT YOUR REG HAS BEEN TAKEN AND PASSED TO MANAGEMENT COMPANY!! OK'
    The 2nd one said 'THIS IS UR LAST WARNING OR ELSE!!'
    Then they keyed my car badly last night. Basically what is is that its a private carpark and we all have 1 space and there are spares ones on a 1st come 1st serve basis but every parks wherever theres a free space. So my boyfriend parks in 'our' space and i park in one of the spares so obviously they want it to be free so they can either park there or park next to it much easier!!

    BurningFeetMan;2521937

    I cant stand people like this, i really hope you find out who it is and i … I cant stand people like this, i really hope you find out who it is and i REALLY hope they get what they deserve!!!You should not feel scared as this person/people are complete cowards, just look at the way they are dealing with the situation.To answer your question i think maplins do something that will helphttp://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=cctv&source=15&SD=Ythere is a cheap version at 49.99 but you may want the higher res one depending on how far away the car is.Or perhaps thishttp://www.ebuyer.com/product/106012/show_product_reviewsmight help, the reviews sound promising.Good luck, and please let us know how you get on, i like it when people get whats coming to them.!!Thanks. Will take a look. I will add rep in a while!!BFM



    Shengis;2521938

    Just go chuck a tin of paint over ALL the other cars.



    Yeh my boyfriend wants to do that to the two we think it is but i would rather find out for definate 1st. Thanks,

    GAVINLEWISHUKD;2521939

    Well this is cheap ]http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2764You … Well this is cheap ]http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2764You could use this to record it on to your computer (can use upto 4 cameras) ]http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11127All for about £25.



    Thanks. I will add rep for you all in a bit!!

    Original Poster

    GAVINLEWISHUKD;2521972

    You could always get your boyfriend to take your car to work. Or on his … You could always get your boyfriend to take your car to work. Or on his day off get him to hide in the back and then he can jump out on them!



    lol, yeh but it seems they do this in the middle of the night so i think he would have a long wait!! lol.

    I think you should perhaps just keep on pestering the police. If you make a complaint surely they have to ask.
    I gotta say, sometimes i have very little respect for the police.

    Original Poster

    harlzter;2521960

    Playing the devils advocate, but if you are planning on filming and … Playing the devils advocate, but if you are planning on filming and especially recording a communal area you are open to prosecution and you must be fully compliant with the data protection act. Particularly note the highlighted last line, the law really is an ass you can catch someone blatantly vandalising your property but the evidence is inadmissable because it breaks the privacy laws GRRR, One possible way round this would be to "catch" them on a digital video or normal digital camera with video function as this is not cctv and it could be that you have happened to catch them in the act! So if you say catch them on a cctv digitally recorded you could then transfer the footage to your memory card and claimed you caught it on there depending on angle of footage, that seems to be one way round itMore info in the DPA 1988 PDF Here: http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/data_protection/detailed_specialist_guides/cctv_code_of_practice.pdf



    Thanks for that. Will do so. Was thinking if i had one that played onto my tv screen and saw them doing it my boyfriend would go out and actually catch them doing it. Thanks again.

    Original Poster

    Rep added for all of you. Thanks.

    We have a great cctv camera called a vigilantern which looks like a normal outdoor light with a hidden camera in it, it switches the tv channel when it detects movement too so if you have a door that overlooks your parking area that would be ideal:
    http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s308/harlzter/_2414__74597__.jpg
    diytools.co.uk/diy…262
    They are that good I saw one at a bargain price and still have to find somewhere to put it!

    As the Gerbil would say....

    "They can't damage your car if they're dead"

    :lol:

    Could you contact the people who own the property to get clarification that you are allowed to park there, and to inform them of the problem?

    hollypinder;2521982

    The 1st letter said 'THIS IS NOT UR SPACE PLEASE MOVE IT YOUR REG HAS … The 1st letter said 'THIS IS NOT UR SPACE PLEASE MOVE IT YOUR REG HAS BEEN TAKEN AND PASSED TO MANAGEMENT COMPANY!! OK'



    It might sound obviouse but have you asked "The management" if anyone has passed your details on to them, and if so who?

    Good luck. :thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    Shengis;2522029

    As the Gerbil would say...."They can't damage your car if they're … As the Gerbil would say...."They can't damage your car if they're dead":lol:



    I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

    yimmie;2522033

    Could you contact the people who own the property to get clarification … Could you contact the people who own the property to get clarification that you are allowed to park there, and to inform them of the problem?



    What do you mean who own the property? I dont rent from someone???

    Jumpingphil;2522058

    It might sound obviouse but have you asked "The management" if anyone has … It might sound obviouse but have you asked "The management" if anyone has passed your details on to them, and if so who?Good luck. :thumbsup:



    Yeh am already going to do that 1st thing tomorrow morning but they are not open weekends. Dont think they will be able to tell me WHO reported it though, Data protection and all that but the police could probably get it out of them. Thanks.

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    hollypinder;2522103

    What do you mean who own the property? I dont rent from someone???


    Flats are leasehold which means you are leasing the property over a long term (usually 125 years). You must be paying maintenance to a management company. Contact them. Why not just park in a different communal space?

    csiman;2522146

    Flats are leasehold which means you are leasing the property over a long … Flats are leasehold which means you are leasing the property over a long term (usually 125 years). You must be paying maintenance to a management company. Contact them. Why not just park in a different communal space?



    Good point, its unusual for new builds not to have allocated parking spaces most now have one parking space per bedroom allocated to them.

    harlzter;2521960

    Playing the devils advocate, but if you are planning on filming and … Playing the devils advocate, but if you are planning on filming and especially recording a communal area you are open to prosecution and you must be fully compliant with the data protection act. Particularly note the highlighted last line, the law really is an ass you can catch someone blatantly vandalising your property but the evidence is inadmissable because it breaks the privacy laws GRRR, One possible way round this would be to "catch" them on a digital video or normal digital camera with video function as this is not cctv and it could be that you have happened to catch them in the act! So if you say catch them on a cctv digitally recorded you could then transfer the footage to your memory card and claimed you caught it on there depending on angle of footage, that seems to be one way round itMore info in the DPA 1988 PDF Here: http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/data_protection/detailed_specialist_guides/cctv_code_of_practice.pdf



    DPA doesnt apply to cameras on Domestic Property.
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