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    can Nuttal and Corbyn continue as party leaders

    After Labour lose Copeland to the Conservatives and UKIP fail to win Stoke, can their respective leaders continue.

    telegraph.co.uk/new…ic/

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    Yes

    Yes, because Corbyn is very popular with anti-West fanatics.

    No, Nuttal will probably be replaced, his ego is a fraction of the great Communist leader

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/01051/Brookes_27_01_2016_1051142c.jpg

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    Error440

    Yes



    ​corbyn or nuttal?

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    davewave

    Yes, because Corbyn is very popular with anti-West fanatics.No, Nuttal … Yes, because Corbyn is very popular with anti-West fanatics.No, Nuttal will probably be replaced, his ego is a fraction of the great Communist leader



    ​I think Labour are so wrapped up in their bubble, they are just going to find excuses for losing a seat that as the opposition should have been a landslide victory.

    Yes for Corbyn he has massive support from the membership
    for Nutella I don't know but a very bad performance from UKIP
    The tiny tiny chance Labour had in 2020 has now receded even further
    amazing result
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5ZfZudWYAA0cIF.jpg:large
    The Lib Dem's had a good night taking two council seats in the Tory heartlands

    Well done corbyn for winning Stoke....although most paper are going corbyn loses Copeland.....He got 1 over ukip and that what matters.

    Adam786123

    Well done corbyn for winning Stoke....although most paper are going … Well done corbyn for winning Stoke....although most paper are going corbyn loses Copeland.....He got 1 over ukip and that what matters.


    Yeah well done, really difficult winning against Nuttal who hasn't been in the papers much??

    Voter apathy won in stoke.

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    Adam786123

    Well done corbyn for winning Stoke....although most paper are going … Well done corbyn for winning Stoke....although most paper are going corbyn loses Copeland.....He got 1 over ukip and that what matters.



    ​It should have been nailed on for Labour to win both seats, anything other that will be be highlighted by the press for good reason.

    The people of Stoke have just shown how thick they're, vote 70 percent to leave the EU then vote a anti-Brexit MP in !!.

    Thick as ****.

    All I want to know is Corbyn getting letters from people round the country who want him to resign? He can perhaps read them out in a channel 4 special?

    Wot an endorsement for the current Tory government and the end of the NHS! With almost £10BN budget surplus for old Hammond too!

    May really is a winner, I doubt this would have happened under DC!

    davewave

    All I want to know is Corbyn getting letters from people round the … All I want to know is Corbyn getting letters from people round the country who want him to resign? He can perhaps read them out in a channel 4 special?



    We often have a candlelit version of Red Flag in a local park in Islington, lead by our Jeremy. Personally I think it would make a fitting end to an episode of Songs of Praise.
    Edited by: "groenleader" 24th Feb

    groenleader

    We often have a candlelit version of Red Flag in a local park in … We often have a candlelit version of Red Flag in a local park in Islington, lead by our Jeremy. Personally I think it would make a fitting end to an episode of Songs of Praise.



    ​praise our glorious leader, chairman Corbyn.

    davewave

    ​praise our glorious leader, chairman Corbyn.


    You seem to be taking UKIP failing to win Stoke and getting less votes than the LibDems in Copeland quite well.

    But, as anyone knows, there's a big difference between what happens at by-elections and what happens at a general election. I doubt that either Corbyn or Nutcase are that concerned unless either party has a viable leader waiting in the wings. And that seems unlikely.

    RonChew

    You seem to be taking UKIP failing to win Stoke and getting less votes … You seem to be taking UKIP failing to win Stoke and getting less votes than the LibDems in Copeland quite well.But, as anyone knows, there's a big difference between what happens at by-elections and what happens at a general election. I doubt that either Corbyn or Nutcase are that concerned unless either party has a viable leader waiting in the wings. And that seems unlikely.



    ​i don't vote UKIP so couldn't care less.

    I hope they do as they are making life easier for the Tories and May can get us through Brexit and hopefully get re-elected without Labour offering much of a challenge.

    it was allways going to be hard for ukip in a strong labour seat but despite the low turnout 38% they did increase there share of the vote but for labour to lose copeland by over 2000 votes and a seat they have held for over half a century it just shows how out of touch the champagne socialist are and they desperately need a fresh intake of people from all walks of life and not the useless elites they have now.
    Edited by: "dunny06" 24th Feb

    Labour will have no chance of winning an election with Corbyn at the helm, I think Labour are very damaged and I doubt they'll ever get in power in my lifetime, We're probably going to be stuck with the Conservatives for a very very long time, They have no competition. In fact they might as well do away with the general election next time because it'll be a waste of money!.

    rodders443

    The people of Stoke have just shown how thick they're, vote 70 percent to … The people of Stoke have just shown how thick they're, vote 70 percent to leave the EU then vote a anti-Brexit MP in !!.Thick as ****.


    Poor ukip loser.....again well done corbyn for the win against a senior ukip member seems a lot of sour loser here...Paul nuthead should step down now for not winning.

    Great news that UKIP haven't won that seat. Nuttall is a myth. Hopefully, UKIP crumble under the Hillsgate controversy. They should have disbanded post Brexit.

    Really bad sign for Corbyn losing Copeland. Info covered in post #5

    Adam786123

    Poor ukip loser.....again well done corbyn for the win against a senior … Poor ukip loser.....again well done corbyn for the win against a senior ukip member seems a lot of sour loser here...Paul nuthead should step down now for not winning.



    As someone asked on question time "Why would Labour decide to put a Remainer up as their candidate in an area that clearly told them they want to leave the EU ? " It just shows what a mess they are in and they wouldn't of had to worry about UKIP if they weren't so stupid in the first place.

    The surprise large Conservative vote also dealt the blow to UKIP, 5,233 Vs 5,154 for the Conservatives.
    If this were a General Election all the pointers say the Conservatives would take it.

    If Labour wants to have the slightest chance of achieving anything with the popular vote and in the next general election then they have to get rid of Corbin , just listening randomly to his speech today completely confirmed that in my opinion oO

    shasnir

    As someone asked on question time "Why would Labour decide to put a … As someone asked on question time "Why would Labour decide to put a Remainer up as their candidate in an area that clearly told them they want to leave the EU ? " It just shows what a mess they are in and they wouldn't of had to worry about UKIP if they weren't so stupid in the first place.The surprise large Conservative vote also dealt the blow to UKIP, 5,233 Vs 5,154 for the Conservatives.If this were a General Election all the pointers say the Conservatives would take it.



    Or it could be looked at in this way:

    70% in Stoke voted for Brexit.
    However, since then the facts and truths have come out about the lies of the Brexit campaign. That 70% now do not want to elect the leader of the very party that are the proponents of Brexit.

    It goes to show that even though this is a single constituency it was one of the highest supporters of Brexit. They now do not trust those who managed to persuade them to vote to leave last year.

    The shambles that is Brexit continues.

    Such a shame, Labour used to make a decent opposition party, now they have the collective credibility and ability of a "right on" student union rep.

    dtovey89

    Or it could be looked at in this way:70% in Stoke voted for … Or it could be looked at in this way:70% in Stoke voted for Brexit.However, since then the facts and truths have come out about the lies of the Brexit campaign. That 70% now do not want to elect the leader of the very party that are the proponents of Brexit.It goes to show that even though this is a single constituency it was one of the highest supporters of Brexit. They now do not trust those who managed to persuade them to vote to leave last year.The shambles that is Brexit continues.


    Or it could be looked at in this way: People voted for the party rather than which way the candidate voted in the referendum.

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    dtovey89

    Or it could be looked at in this way:70% in Stoke voted for … Or it could be looked at in this way:70% in Stoke voted for Brexit.However, since then the facts and truths have come out about the lies of the Brexit campaign. That 70% now do not want to elect the leader of the very party that are the proponents of Brexit.It goes to show that even though this is a single constituency it was one of the highest supporters of Brexit. They now do not trust those who managed to persuade them to vote to leave last year.The shambles that is Brexit continues.



    ​the majority of the country would not trust ukip, just because people want out of the EU does not make them ukip supporters.
    it would be nice to have a credible opposition instead of farron clutching at straws and corbyn having possibly one of the worst by election results in history (Copeland)
    I don't think Copeland will go down in history, I think if corbyn is in charge at the next election that will go down as 'how the members destroyed the labor party'

    dtovey89

    Or it could be looked at in this way:70% in Stoke voted for … Or it could be looked at in this way:70% in Stoke voted for Brexit.However, since then the facts and truths have come out about the lies of the Brexit campaign. That 70% now do not want to elect the leader of the very party that are the proponents of Brexit.It goes to show that even though this is a single constituency it was one of the highest supporters of Brexit. They now do not trust those who managed to persuade them to vote to leave last year.The shambles that is Brexit continues.


    Or could it be that May is suggesting hard Brexit? And most leave voters support that notion?. UKIP have indeed served there purpose.

    Labour are far too divided, too many arguments from within. Conservatives to there credit have mainly stuck together.

    I would most certainly rather May lead us out of the EU than Corbyn.

    Corbyn is unelectable, he is the paracite of the party.

    Corbyn will be the next prime minister.

    david_wavid

    Corbyn will be the next prime minister.



    Cant see it myself, I have seen fresh faced grads at work with more about them than Corby.

    david_wavid

    Corbyn will be the next prime minister.


    Lol

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    david_wavid

    Corbyn will be the next prime minister.



    ​was your profile pic taken as you were typing that.
    I must admit I laughed when I read it.

    david_wavid

    Corbyn will be the next prime minister.

    he's a troll.

    shauneco

    Or could it be that May is suggesting hard Brexit? And most leave voters … Or could it be that May is suggesting hard Brexit? And most leave voters support that notion?. UKIP have indeed served there purpose. Labour are far too divided, too many arguments from within. Conservatives to there credit have mainly stuck together. I would most certainly rather May lead us out of the EU than Corbyn. Corbyn is unelectable, he is the paracite of the party.



    For someone who harks on about being so working class your vendetta against Corbyn is strange?

    I don't believe Labour will win a General Election with Corbyn at the helm.

    However, if you want to talk about parasites then you should take a look at the self serving Labour MPs who have tried and tried again to destroy the Labour Party. Or perhaps you could take a look at the criticism of a certain ex-Labour leader 3 days before this by-election. People keep talking about the importance of uniting the Party but it seems that the agenda against it is from the neo-liberal old guard. Self serving MPs who do not give a damn about the British Working class.

    Regardless of all that please can you explain to me what May's hard Brexit is and furthermore how it is going to effect you in both the short and long term?

    You seem to be happy in supporting an unelected Tory leader who is bringing the NHS to it's knees.

    dtovey89

    For someone who harks on about being so working class your vendetta … For someone who harks on about being so working class your vendetta against Corbyn is strange?I don't believe Labour will win a General Election with Corbyn at the helm.However, if you want to talk about parasites then you should take a look at the self serving Labour MPs who have tried and tried again to destroy the Labour Party. Or perhaps you could take a look at the criticism of a certain ex-Labour leader 3 days before this by-election. People keep talking about the importance of uniting the Party but it seems that the agenda against it is from the neo-liberal old guard. Self serving MPs who do not give a damn about the British Working class. Regardless of all that please can you explain to me what May's hard Brexit is and furthermore how it is going to effect you in both the short and long term? You seem to be happy in supporting an unelected Tory leader who is bringing the NHS to it's knees.



    ​neither EU nor UK know how Brexit will play out because it will be the result of negotiations between a multitude of EU members and then with UK.

    dtovey89

    For someone who harks on about being so working class your vendetta … For someone who harks on about being so working class your vendetta against Corbyn is strange?I don't believe Labour will win a General Election with Corbyn at the helm.However, if you want to talk about parasites then you should take a look at the self serving Labour MPs who have tried and tried again to destroy the Labour Party. Or perhaps you could take a look at the criticism of a certain ex-Labour leader 3 days before this by-election. People keep talking about the importance of uniting the Party but it seems that the agenda against it is from the neo-liberal old guard. Self serving MPs who do not give a damn about the British Working class. Regardless of all that please can you explain to me what May's hard Brexit is and furthermore how it is going to effect you in both the short and long term? You seem to be happy in supporting an unelected Tory leader who is bringing the NHS to it's knees.


    The only political party that campaigned on the basis of a 'hard' Brexit was, as far as I can recall, UKIP. So how many guesses would we need to ascertain the allegiances of those baying for a 'hard' Brexit?

    Admitting to being a UKIP supporter seems to be akin to admitting to racism for some of our members. I would agree that the UKIP image isn't good but is it so bad that people have to pretend to support the Labour or Conservative parties?

    Hope Nutcase stays on, he's a confirmed loser now so that'll eat away further at the dwindling support for laughable now-irrelevant UKIP.
    Tory infighting to recommence after Brexit finalised and various promises finally exposed as cynical lies:
    Little progress on cutting immigration as economic reality of its necessity ties hands of politicians.
    £60 billion exit bill further kick in the teeth to economy struggling with new tariffs etc.
    Damaged, German dominated EU struggles on with less impetus to reform in ways favourable to us without us.
    "Enemies of the people" in Supreme court now have final say rather than European judges.
    Edited by: "Rom" 24th Feb

    Rom

    Hope Nutcase stays on, he's a confirmed loser now so that'll eat away … Hope Nutcase stays on, he's a confirmed loser now so that'll eat away further at the dwindling support for laughable now-irrelevant UKIP. Tory infighting to recommence after Brexit finalised and various promises finally exposed as cynical lies:Little progress on cutting immigration as economic reality of its necessity ties hands of politicians. £60 billion exit bill further kick in the teeth to economy struggling with new tariffs etc. Damaged, German dominated EU struggles on with less impetus to reform in ways favourable to us without us. "Enemies of the people" in Supreme court now have final say rather than European judges.



    ​hope nutcase stays on as labour leader.

    RonChew

    The only political party that campaigned on the basis of a 'hard' Brexit … The only political party that campaigned on the basis of a 'hard' Brexit was, as far as I can recall, UKIP. So how many guesses would we need to ascertain the allegiances of those baying for a 'hard' Brexit? Admitting to being a UKIP supporter seems to be akin to admitting to racism for some of our members. I would agree that the UKIP image isn't good but is it so bad that people have to pretend to support the Labour or Conservative parties?


    The only thing a majority of leave voters and UKIP really had in common were Brexit, A majority of leave voters are/were labour voters. Leading up to the referendum labour lost alot of its voters. I was a labour voter and reluctantly voted for them in the last GE. There has for a long time been rifts from within.

    Just remember Ronald not all leave voters are your typical stereotypes.

    shauneco

    The only thing a majority of leave voters and UKIP really had in common … The only thing a majority of leave voters and UKIP really had in common were Brexit, A majority of leave voters are/were labour voters. Leading up to the referendum labour lost alot of its voters. I was a labour voter and reluctantly voted for them in the last GE. There has for a long time been rifts from within. Just remember Ronald not all leave voters are your typical stereotypes.



    shauneco

    The only thing a majority of leave voters and UKIP really had in common … The only thing a majority of leave voters and UKIP really had in common were Brexit, A majority of leave voters are/were labour voters. Leading up to the referendum labour lost alot of its voters. I was a labour voter and reluctantly voted for them in the last GE. There has for a long time been rifts from within. Just remember Ronald not all leave voters are your typical stereotypes.


    That's not right Shaun, most labour voters voted remain, even in the north.
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