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    Can people REALLY talk to the dead? Or is it all.......

    Can people REALLY talk to spirits (no not THAT kind of spirit in the pub!) or is it a load of old .... to prey on (say) vulnerable people who are clearly trying to find 'something' and are perhaps liely tobe naieve enough to believe what they are told? OR is there some element of truth in it?

    Only - (yes, you KEW there was a but!) a friend of mine has just been to see one...... And, well, I don't want to offer an opinion either way ... BUT...... The kinds of thingsthe lady was telling her - well....... They or it was just..... freaky! I mean - without giving the plot away to the person HOW do they KNOW this that and the otr ?

    I can fully take on board some of the not so scrupulous errrr shall we say pretenders to the throne, but what IF you do your research and ?? I mean... There are those who 'believe' and there are those who 'dont'.... A bit like the God Squad no doubt? But....

    Well, how IS it explained then? Or in the main. is it all balony.....

    Curiosity killed the cat as they say!

    Purrrrrrrrr.

    xxxxxxx

    (By the way I have been brave enuff or gullible enuff to go and see one myself aftr my friend did....) Just wondered what you guys thought?
    xxxxxxx

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    Loads of old b*llocks is you ask me

    Derren Brown does similar things

    prey on the simple minds of simple people

    Banned

    Marty1981;8389603

    Loads of old b*llocks is you ask meDerren Brown does similar things prey … Loads of old b*llocks is you ask meDerren Brown does similar things prey on the simple minds of simple people


    now theres a band!:thumbsup:

    What mediums and the like do is a magic trick. All of them employ a trick called cold reading plus others tricks this is why no medium has passed a scientific test.

    People talk to God all the time.....aint he/she supposed to be dead ????

    Banned

    It's called cold reading, watch Derren Brown and hope he never picks you in his live shows, he comes out with some crazy crap.

    He hates Physics and all they stand for.

    James Randi has had large sums of money available to anyone able to demonstrate any ability like this since the 1960s. Many have applied (showing people do believe themselves in thier abilities) and ALL have failed.

    Interesting reading though. Excuses are funny too...

    randi.org/sit…tml

    Check out the video here too:

    randi.org/syl…tml

    choc1969;8389669

    People talk to God all the time.....aint he/she supposed to be dead ????



    Jesus dies you may need to re-reference the bible for "facts"

    Marty1981;8389686

    Jesus dies you may need to re-reference the bible for "facts"



    Wasn't God his dad, surely he aint still alive :w00t:

    choc1969;8389700

    Wasn't God his dad, surely he aint still alive :w00t:



    I like that God created vegetation before the sun. Those poor plants...

    Stupid God.

    dananana;8389650

    What mediums and the like do is a magic trick. All of them employ a trick … What mediums and the like do is a magic trick. All of them employ a trick called cold reading plus others tricks this is why no medium has passed a scientific test.



    Or they research and cheat properly!

    Original Poster

    ROFL!!!

    I haven't seen this Derren Brown chap - I will have to have a look at it....
    I can take the point about'simple people' and all that- but it isn't an optical illusion though is it?
    I mean - just hypothetically - SAY something had happened to you or your brother/sister/aunt/ etc.... Or for that matter maybe not - but I mean - well I accept that everybody goes there for a reason, and most of the reasons are self pity or vulnerability or what not - but with all the names in the word HOW is it that they come up with one or two names that are jus .... Well, you couldnt even GUESS them! I duuno - its odd as I am probably one of those unbelievers - but it is also very unexplained and wierd if you ask me!
    How can they do it?? Or is it really gulliblility???

    xxxxxxxx

    [email protected];8389677

    James Randi has had large sums of money available to anyone able to … James Randi has had large sums of money available to anyone able to demonstrate any ability like this since the 1960s. Many have applied (showing people do believe themselves in thier abilities) and ALL have failed.Interesting reading though. Excuses are funny too...http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.htmlCheck out the video here too:http://www.randi.org/sylvia/index.shtml



    Yer seen that a while ago. So funny. Saw him recentley challenge some fat hag who kept trying to talk out of it. The same lady was also accused of wasting police time after telling the parents she knew where the body was. Another time she said to some parents that their child was dead on a chat show when it was alive

    Also need to contribute a few lines from Tim Minchin's beat poem - "Storm"

    Got 10 minutes? Watch it! youtube.com/wat…P-s

    By the way,
    Why is it OK
    For people to pretend they can talk to the dead?
    Is it not totally f*****d in the head
    Lying to some crying woman whose child has died
    And telling her you’re in touch with the other side?
    That’s just fundamentally sick
    Do we need to clarify that there’s no such thing as a psychic?
    What, are we f*****g 2?
    Do we actually think that Horton Heard a Who?
    Do we still think that Santa brings us gifts?
    That Michael Jackson hasn’t had facelifts?
    Are we still so stunned by circus tricks
    That we think that the dead would
    Wanna talk to p****s
    Like John Edwards?

    cloudthecat;8389726

    ROFL!!!I haven't seen this Derren Brown chap - I will have to have a look … ROFL!!!I haven't seen this Derren Brown chap - I will have to have a look at it....I can take the point about'simple people' and all that- but it isn't an optical illusion though is it?I mean - just hypothetically - SAY something had happened to you or your brother/sister/aunt/ etc.... Or for that matter maybe not - but I mean - well I accept that everybody goes there for a reason, and most of the reasons are self pity or vulnerability or what not - but with all the names in the word HOW is it that they come up with one or two names that are jus .... Well, you couldnt even GUESS them! I duuno - its odd as I am probably one of those unbelievers - but it is also very unexplained and wierd if you ask me!How can they do it?? Or is it really gulliblility???xxxxxxxx



    What most mediums do is say does the names X or Y mean anything to you. Then the person will try and fit meaning to these names X could be their brother, dad ,pet grandfather, friend neighbour so the gives the illusion of the psychic being accurate when they are just guessing.

    choc1969;8389669

    People talk to God all the time.....aint he/she supposed to be dead ????



    choc1969;8389700

    Wasn't God his dad, surely he aint still alive :w00t:



    why do you always find it necessary to take a dig at Christians?I just saw you voted cold on the bible ipod app freebie thread for no reason at all :? and in other threads you just say something derogatory about Christians and yet in your location you talk about faith but have absolutely no respect for people that have faith themselves, even though you dont share people's faith and beliefs you can still be respectful and tolerant of them :thumbsup:

    choc1969;8389700

    Wasn't God his dad, surely he aint still alive :w00t:



    Yes he is one of lifes great shames when a father outlives his son.

    cloudthecat;8389726

    ROFL!!!I haven't seen this Derren Brown chap - I will have to have a look … ROFL!!!I haven't seen this Derren Brown chap - I will have to have a look at it....I can take the point about'simple people' and all that- but it isn't an optical illusion though is it?I mean - just hypothetically - SAY something had happened to you or your brother/sister/aunt/ etc.... Or for that matter maybe not - but I mean - well I accept that everybody goes there for a reason, and most of the reasons are self pity or vulnerability or what not - but with all the names in the word HOW is it that they come up with one or two names that are jus .... Well, you couldnt even GUESS them! I duuno - its odd as I am probably one of those unbelievers - but it is also very unexplained and wierd if you ask me!How can they do it?? Or is it really gulliblility???xxxxxxxx



    Like this randi.org/lib…ng/
    Sorry to use Randi again!

    Also, see South Park en.wikipedia.org/wik…rse

    Marty1981;8389789

    Yes he is one of lifes great shames when a father outlives his son.



    Jesus is alive, FYI Easter wasnt just about getting a free bank holiday and pigging out on chocolate eggs :roll: :thumbsup:

    ilovelilac;8389797

    Jesus is alive, FYI Easter wasnt just about getting a free bank holiday … Jesus is alive, FYI Easter wasnt just about getting a free bank holiday and pigging out on chocolate eggs :roll: :thumbsup:



    Umm.. Yeah. Yeah it was.

    :thumbsup:

    ilovelilac;8389781

    why do you always find it necessary to take a dig at Christians?I just … why do you always find it necessary to take a dig at Christians?I just saw you voted cold on the bible ipod app freebie thread for no reason at all :? and in other threads you just say something derogatory about Christians and yet in your location you talk about faith but have absolutely no respect for people that have faith themselves, even though you dont share people's faith and beliefs you can still be respectful and tolerant of them :thumbsup:



    are you telling me Christians don't have a sense of humour now ?????

    funny how you always give me a hard time about my views.....which I take with a pinch of salt btw :roll:

    I respect all of my family who all believe in a Christian God, plus friends who are multi faithed.....and they respect my 'faith'...we laugh and joke and debate......no harm done ;-)

    Original Poster

    Hmmmmm? Intresting.......
    OK.... I can see that - bt SAY I was purporting to be a medium or psychic or whatnot and I was in frontof you - well I dont even know YOUR real name LET ALONE anybody you may know that is no llonger on the planet?!
    Lets have a guess?

    Does the name Jennifer or George mean anything to you?

    LOL

    xxxx

    dananana;8389774

    What most mediums do is say does the names X or Y mean anything to you. … What most mediums do is say does the names X or Y mean anything to you. Then the person will try and fit meaning to these names X could be their brother, dad ,pet grandfather, friend neighbour so the gives the illusion of the psychic being accurate when they are just guessing.

    Original Poster

    dananana;8389813

    Here a good in depth video of ]Derren Brown explaining to Dawkins why … Here a good in depth video of ]Derren Brown explaining to Dawkins why psychic readers are fake


    Thanks! :thumbsup:

    [email protected];8389804

    Umm.. Yeah. Yeah it was.:thumbsup:



    well good for you least you had a good easter break :-D

    choc1969;8389814

    are you telling me Christians don't have a sense of humour now ?????funny … are you telling me Christians don't have a sense of humour now ?????funny how you always give me a hard time about my views.....which I take with a pinch of salt btw :roll:I respect all of my family who all believe in a Christian God, plus friends who are multi faithed.....and they respect my 'faith'...we laugh and joke and debate......no harm done ;-)



    i have plenty of humour but having a sense of humour doesnt mean being totally disrespectful and just seeing your location and you taking the wee wee sorry but i cant stand hypocrisy

    dont see how i was giving you a hard time btw

    cloudthecat;8389837

    Hmmmmm? Intresting.......OK.... I can see that - bt SAY I was purporting … Hmmmmm? Intresting.......OK.... I can see that - bt SAY I was purporting to be a medium or psychic or whatnot and I was in frontof you - well I dont even know YOUR real name LET ALONE anybody you may know that is no llonger on the planet?!Lets have a guess?Does the name Jennifer or George mean anything to you?LOLxxxx



    I know a Jennifer and a George.....so you'd be quids in with me :w00t:

    Banned

    I talk to the dead alot,. aloud and in my head, and yes i know they are dead

    ilovelilac;8389848

    well good for you least you had a good easter break :-Di have plenty of … well good for you least you had a good easter break :-Di have plenty of humour but having a sense of humour doesnt mean being totally disrespectful and just seeing your location and you taking the wee wee sorry but i cant stand hypocrisydont see how i was giving you a hard time btw



    I find your comments more disrepectful as they are aimed at me, an individual.........my faith is believing in myself.......no way am I being hypocritical but your comments alone are in no way Christian in my opinion ;-)

    Original Poster

    Oh Dear...... Lord !
    Dare I say it - somebody HAS opened a can of worms!

    Original Poster

    So - moving SWIFTLY ON!!!!

    As I was saying....

    (whistles innocently)
    xxx

    choc1969;8389870

    I find your comments more disrepectful as they are aimed at me, an … I find your comments more disrepectful as they are aimed at me, an individual.........my faith is believing in myself.......no way am I being hypocritical but your comments alone are in no way Christian in my opinion ;-)



    my comments were aimed at you thats why i quoted you :? seems you cant seem to see how your comments were disrespectful and hypocritical and now turning it on me like i'm being disrespectful to you when i didnt mean to be and sorry if you felt disrespected but i'll leave to keep getting your "jolly joys" (as OH calls it) from making digs at Christians, God bless you :-D

    cloudthecat;8389877

    Oh Dear...... Lord !Dare I say it - somebody HAS opened a can of worms!



    are you saying the Lords name in vain :whistling:

    ok......i'll stop there before someone has a hissy fit :-D

    ilovelilac;8389902

    my comments were aimed at you thats why i quoted you :? seems you cant … my comments were aimed at you thats why i quoted you :? seems you cant seem to see how your comments were disrespectful and hypocritical and now turning it on me like i'm being disrespectful to you when i didnt mean to be and sorry if you felt disrespected but i'll leave to keep getting your "jolly joys" (as OH calls it) from making digs at Christians, God bless you :-D



    no such thing as God and i didn't sneeze :whistling:

    but thats just my opinion

    but if you can point out the hypocrisy in my statements i'd be most happy to comment further :thumbsup:

    cloudthecat;8389877

    Oh Dear...... Lord !Dare I say it - somebody HAS opened a can of worms!



    i dont talk to the dead nor know anyone that does, if someone dies you say RIP(rest in peace) whats the point of saying that if you're gonna keep disturbing them :giggle:

    Original Poster

    WELL I say - so there IS life after death AFTER all appaerently!

    You only have to look in this thread for the #1 'believers' of that!

    La la la

    Purrrrrrrrs and scratches.
    xxxxxx

    cloudthecat;8389931

    WELL I say - so there IS life after death AFTER all appaerently!You only … WELL I say - so there IS life after death AFTER all appaerently!You only have to look in this thread for the #1 'believers' of that!La la la Purrrrrrrrs and scratches. xxxxxx



    no one knows and that will be the big surprise :w00t:

    Banned

    You can just dont expect a response. They are dead after all

    choc1969;8389909

    are you saying the Lords name in vain :whistling:ok......i'll stop there … are you saying the Lords name in vain :whistling:ok......i'll stop there before someone has a hissy fit :-D



    oh please you think making a dig at me like that will me me have a hissy fit, you do humour me been through a lot of crap in my life to let that bother me so i can rise above it

    really didnt mean any disrespect to you but if you wanna make sly immature digs at me go ahead :thumbsup:

    ilovelilac;8389948

    oh please you think making a dig at me like that will me me have a hissy … oh please you think making a dig at me like that will me me have a hissy fit, you do humour me been through a lot of crap in my life to let that bother me so i can rise above it :)really didnt mean any disrespect to you but if you wanna make sly immature digs at me go ahead :thumbsup:



    oh stop being so sensitive,

    Yes, people can really talk to the dead.

    Banned

    There is life after death. If you are burried you turn into protein and then into cells for a maggot, who turns into a fly who gets eaten by a frog and your a cell for a frog, who's eaten by a french man and you are born as a human again even if it is one millionth of them. If you are incinerated you turn into a gas which tree's absorb turn into oxygen and breathed in by humans.
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