Car Help (gears/clutch???)

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Found 16th Jan 2011
My brothers borrowed my car this weekend, so I've been driving the missus scenic, She's used to it but the gears 1,2 and reverse are ridiculously stiff, takes some effort to get them to engage especially 1 & R when the car is idling. 3,4,5 go in no problem. I've told her she needs to get it sorted, but I know nothing about cars (obviously It'll be going to a garage) anyone got a clue what it's likely to be?
It's a 52 Scenic 1.6 if this helps.

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Banned

It sounds like the gearbox but I am a woman so I am guessing.

We are getting an automatic this week

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DLM

It sounds like the gearbox but I am a woman so I am guessing.We are … It sounds like the gearbox but I am a woman so I am guessing.We are getting an automatic this week


That's what I suspect but like I said just getting a heads up from here before she takes it to the garage.

Could be the synchromesh, or word gear teeth - depends on age of car and mileage.

had this on my daughters corsa and it was gear linkage that was worn . Put a new one on and all was fine.

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moob

Could be the synchromesh, or word gear teeth - depends on age of car and … Could be the synchromesh, or word gear teeth - depends on age of car and mileage.


It's 8-9 years 90k been serviced regularly etc.
the sedge

had this on my daughters corsa and it was gear linkage that was worn . … had this on my daughters corsa and it was gear linkage that was worn . Put a new one on and all was fine.



All these options sound cheaper than gearboxes (how often do gearboxes go? They seem expensive).

the sedge

had this on my daughters corsa and it was gear linkage that was worn . … had this on my daughters corsa and it was gear linkage that was worn . Put a new one on and all was fine.



common problem on the corsa's, as for the renault, bit difficult to diagnose without a road test, they don't really suffer from gearbox or linkage problems, may well be the clutch not disengaging fully.

Sloth/Mod

Definately would think it's the gear linkage or the clutch not engaging properly. Gearbox is not usualy the fault.

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richp

common problem on the corsa's, as for the renault, bit difficult to … common problem on the corsa's, as for the renault, bit difficult to diagnose without a road test, they don't really suffer from gearbox or linkage problems, may well be the clutch not disengaging fully.


I'm thinking clutch, when I was in the Army I was told how to drive without a clutch and changing gear feels like that (if you don't get the revs right) loads of resistance. But like I said not in all gears.

Sloth/Mod

I had a Golf GTi Mk 1 in the early 90's and the gearbox went.........i could only get 2nd gear and had to drive 70 miles home. Fun times X)

Its not the gearbox , wereabouts is the biting point on the clutch top of pedal middle or bottom should be in middleish or as said above gear linkage .

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dc7911

Its not the gearbox , wereabouts is the biting point on the clutch top of … Its not the gearbox , wereabouts is the biting point on the clutch top of pedal middle or bottom should be in middleish or as said above gear linkage .


Biting point is quite low, how you so sure it's not the GB? (thanks)

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Paddy_o_furniture

Biting point is quite low, how you so sure it's not the GB? (thanks)



If it was the Gearbox then you'd be getting problems with most/all the gears plus it would have given up the ghost by now whereas as you say your missus is used to it so it must be a problem for a while.

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Syzable

If it was the Gearbox then you'd be getting problems with most/all the … If it was the Gearbox then you'd be getting problems with most/all the gears plus it would have given up the ghost by now whereas as you say your missus is used to it so it must be a problem for a while.


She must have arms like Arnie, I'm aching after 1 day driving it. Will get her to take it in tomorrow. Thanks for the help guys.

As said above you woild get problems in all gears , if the biting points low near the floor its most probably the clutch , not a cheap job .

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dc7911

As said above you woild get problems in all gears , if the biting points … As said above you woild get problems in all gears , if the biting points low near the floor its most probably the clutch , not a cheap job .


Surely not as expensive as a gearbox? Will find out the damage tomorrow

Common problem on the Renault's - Check the following.

Gearbox oil - Rear Engine Mount (gearbox mount) - Other Engine Mounts - Clutch - Gear Linkage

I have owned one of these and the most common out of the faults listed are the rear engine mount and the linkage. The mechanics will know what to do. Try not to worry too much it may not be as bad as thought.

You will be suprised , its the labour thats the killer, good luck anyway hope its not that bad.

let us know what and how much please

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shamus1975

let us know what and how much please


Will do

sounds like the gear linkage my old car has the same problems getting into first and reverse

DLM

It sounds like the gearbox but I am a woman so I am guessing.We are … It sounds like the gearbox but I am a woman so I am guessing.We are getting an automatic this week



Loooooooooooool...points for stating the bleedin' obvious there DLM!!! You're absolute class! ..Lol...

OP - Sounds like the flywheel could be gubbed, either way its gonna be a day or 2 job and make sure you have around 500+ notes available to cough up....

StevenA2000_uk

OP - Sounds like the flywheel could be gubbed, either way its gonna be a … OP - Sounds like the flywheel could be gubbed, either way its gonna be a day or 2 job and make sure you have around 500+ notes available to cough up....


In the words of Blackadder..."oh Bug ger"

had this problem on my golf, it was the gear linkage. part cost £5 from scrap yard. and they charged £10 fitting hope that helps
Edited by: "Snoop7" 17th Jan 2011

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StevenA2000_uk

Loooooooooooool...points for stating the bleedin' obvious there DLM!!! … Loooooooooooool...points for stating the bleedin' obvious there DLM!!! You're absolute class! ..Lol...OP - Sounds like the flywheel could be gubbed, either way its gonna be a day or 2 job and make sure you have around 500+ notes available to cough up....


Still up as the 2 young uns have chicken pox and both itchy. It'll be getting scrapped before I pay that, she can have my focus.
jelli89

In the words of Blackadder..."oh Bug ger"


I know, the hell will I be paying that. My cousins a taxi driver and he knows "Ginger Brian" he'll sort it so he says.
Edited by: "Paddy_o_furniture" 17th Jan 2011

+1 For gear linkage. I had a problem with 1st and reverse. Linkage eventually broke. Took me by surprise put it in 1st and thought wow that was easy until you realise there is no gear there!

C'mn then - what did Ginger Brian have to say?

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It's in tomorrow no room today, reckons it's a gear cable or clutch from my phone diagnosis. Will keep you updated

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wow, 365 for a new clutch, plate and bearings. Will knock it down to 265 as my cousin is a good lad. This a good deal?

Banned

Have you phoned a couple of motor factors to see what the parts cost including VAT?

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DLM

It sounds like the gearbox but I am a woman so I am guessing.We are … It sounds like the gearbox but I am a woman so I am guessing.We are getting an automatic this week



Your imaginary new automatic car still has a gearbox darling.

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slamdunkin

Have you phoned a couple of motor factors to see what the parts cost … Have you phoned a couple of motor factors to see what the parts cost including VAT?


Just doing that now.

Paddy_o_furniture

wow, 365 for a new clutch, plate and bearings. Will knock it down to 265 … wow, 365 for a new clutch, plate and bearings. Will knock it down to 265 as my cousin is a good lad. This a good deal?


How much?http://lh4.ggpht.com/_VCCcJ70XUdg/TM6YekB_i8I/AAAAAAAAECQ/cuT2VGiw7i0/tumblr_l777dpqopE1qzur2xo1_500.gif
Edited by: "jelli89" 18th Jan 2011

Sticking with the topic but different car and problem, Renault Clio, about 4-5 years old, done 45K miles...when turning the steering wheel it squeaks, been doing it a couple of weeks now. Someone said possibly power steering fluid? Anyone have any ideas?

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jelli89

How much?

Paddy_o_furniture

wow, 365 for a new clutch, plate and bearings. Will knock it down to 265 … wow, 365 for a new clutch, plate and bearings. Will knock it down to 265 as my cousin is a good lad. This a good deal?


£265 actually sounds pretty good. It's just that i was hoping from the previous comments that the problem might be cured with a few turns of a spanner. I'd rather get it fixed now though, before it goes beyond an inconvenience and becomes dangerous

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All sorted, Ginger Brian says my missus has been riding the clutch (amongst other things before someone else cracks it). Stupid mare
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