car just died, any mechanics in?

Hi because all car garages are closed at this time I couldn't get in touch with a garage so was wondering it there are any people 'in the know' on the message boards.

basically it's a nissan almera 2000 and the engine management lights been on for a few months now. the car was jumping and misfiring whilst driving and after diagnostics it said it needed new cam/crank sensors but after speaking with many mechanics they said it's most likely the timing chain that has been stretched which is a common fault in nissans. i was told it would be fine driving so I have still been driving it and its still been jumping and misfiring but it's still got me everywhere.

now today i thought i'd give the engine oil a bit of a top up and had some left over in the boot from one of my previous services. i was driving for roughly 5 minutes when the car started shaking whilst at a stand still and gradually lost all power over the next 5 mins. luckily i just about reached my house and it died whilst reversing into my drive and not on a main road somewhere. the engine won't start up and i would like to know what the problem is. the petrol gauge had been on reserve but only for 10 miles so i don't think the petrol ran out, i'm thinking it must be something to do with the oil i put in and being a relative amateur at cars I don't really have a clue.

any help would be much appreciated!

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you did put the oil in the engine and not the water well, didnt you.............................

Was it stalling/cutting out when you stopped at lights etc? Sometimes starting straight away, sometimes taking a while? Ours did that and we changed the fuel filter and no problems after that!

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timing belt has gone...........new engine or repair if not too badly damaged either way......big money

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wickedteen;8280186

you did put the oil in the engine and not the water well, didnt … you did put the oil in the engine and not the water well, didnt you.............................



yes definetly

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casparwhite;8280233

timing belt has gone...........new engine or repair if not too badly … timing belt has gone...........new engine or repair if not too badly damaged either way......big money



the car has a timing chain not a belt...

could be starved of fuel, dirty fuel filter maybe. fuel pump may be on way out also, try putting some fuel in it then try start, easy way to rule that out. i very much doubt its anything to do with topping up oil. unless you put too much in.

casparwhite;8280233

timing belt has gone...........new engine or repair if not too badly … timing belt has gone...........new engine or repair if not too badly damaged either way......big money



Chain...not belt but anyhoo....

To quote a certain source...

"The model was infamous for its Renault Timing Chain which stretched and caused the engine to stall and not start. This problem was more commonly found on the 1.5 versions. Unfortunately, it was not an easy problem to fix and costed up to £1000 to put right."

Not saying this is 100% reliable, but sounds too close not to be

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Rhianne;8280190

Was it stalling/cutting out when you stopped at lights etc? Sometimes … Was it stalling/cutting out when you stopped at lights etc? Sometimes starting straight away, sometimes taking a while? Ours did that and we changed the fuel filter and no problems after that!



it was cutting out but didn't stall until i got to a friends house, when i was pulling out of the cul de sac it stalled even with the clutch down. it did it again at another give way but restarted after a couple of tries, then it finally stalled when i stopped to reverse into my drive and didn't restart so i had to push it in

If the chain was stretched and loose, then it may well have snapped or come off. It should have been repaired straight away, now it has (maybe) broke, then the car is is now beyond economical repair, as usually it damages other components.

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galactico;8280261

the car has a timing chain not a belt...



same difference,same result........... damaged valves and possibly piston

there would be a fair bit of noise if a timing chain snapped.

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shanecr;8280262

could be starved of fuel, dirty fuel filter maybe. fuel pump may be on … could be starved of fuel, dirty fuel filter maybe. fuel pump may be on way out also, try putting some fuel in it then try start, easy way to rule that out. i very much doubt its anything to do with topping up oil. unless you put too much in.



i've got some fuel in a jerry can so i'll try that, i don't think i put too much oil in cos there was only a bit left in the can. i did put some in last week from a different can but again there was only a little bit left in there.

aardvarking;8280269

Chain...not belt but anyhoo....To quote a certain source..."The model was … Chain...not belt but anyhoo....To quote a certain source..."The model was infamous for its Renault Timing Chain which stretched and caused the engine to stall and not start. This problem was more commonly found on the 1.5 versions. Unfortunately, it was not an easy problem to fix and costed up to £1000 to put right."Not saying this is 100% reliable, but sounds too close not to be



i've read that a few times and also been told that by a few mechanics, it is the 1.5 version coincidently and i've been quoted £400-£700 which is what the cars worth hence my decision not to repair it

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shanecr;8280310

there would be a fair bit of noise if a timing chain snapped.



there was no noise but it was shaking quite badly...

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casparwhite;8280288

same difference,same result........... damaged valves and possibly piston



is there any way of confirming that diagnosis? one mechanic told me that it would eventually go but it would be gradual, i didn't think it would be so sudden. other mechanics told me it wouldn't snap and i could still drive it as normal.

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shanecr;8280310

there would be a fair bit of noise if a timing chain snapped.



the car was "jumping and misfiring badly" and also "shaking" that to me sounds like a broken/snapped timing/cam belt/chain:roll:

The trouble is there are so many factors here - you knew about the timing chain,. I believe the oil top-up is merely a coincidence.

It does sound like fuel starvation at best - fuel filter etc. Unfortunately the only real option is to take things apart and look.

casparwhite;8280352

the car was "jumping and misfiring badly" and also "shaking" that to me … the car was "jumping and misfiring badly" and also "shaking" that to me sounds like a broken/snapped timing/cam belt/chain:roll:



I've had this from having sand..yes sand! in the fuel tank...

weird multi post!

Why you carried on driving it for months is beyond me.
If the lights came on, and it was misfiring, this in itself should have told you to get it fixed.

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casparwhite;8280352

the car was "jumping and misfiring badly" and also "shaking" that to me … the car was "jumping and misfiring badly" and also "shaking" that to me sounds like a broken/snapped timing/cam belt/chain:roll:



the jumping and misfiring has been going on ever since the problem arose a few months ago but it has been driveable and not too crazy, the shaking whilst stationary only happened today and it died moments later.

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galactico;8280381

the jumping and misfiring has been going on ever since the problem arose … the jumping and misfiring has been going on ever since the problem arose a few months ago but it has been driveable and not too crazy, the shaking whilst stationary only happened today and it died moments later.



mate it looks like youve had plenty of warning.......get an expert opinion but i reckon its time to wave her off to the scrappers, however sad you may be

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thesaint;8280373

Why you carried on driving it for months is beyond me.If the lights came … Why you carried on driving it for months is beyond me.If the lights came on, and it was misfiring, this in itself should have told you to get it fixed.



as explained earlier, i was quoted between £400-£700 for a repair and the cars only worth like £1000 max. a few mechanics told me it would be fine to drive so i thought i'd continue driving it locally while i look for a new car and flog it once i've found one but unfortunately this has happened!

Engine warning light on for a couple of months

The word in the middle of "engine warning light" i.e. WARNING should have prompted you to get it fixed immediately.

The lights come on to tell you of a problem, you drove round for a couple of months with a problem and now it could cost you upwards of £1000

sympathy? none.


next time pay attention and if you get a warning light, get it sorted, companies don't put the lights in the car for pretty effects, they serve a purpose, ie spend a little when they come on, save thousands!

To start off, why did you top up the oil?

casparwhite;8280386

and whats your point?did you have the rest of the factors explained in … and whats your point?did you have the rest of the factors explained in the op........stop acting like a tool



1) you couldn't even read that it was a chain not a belt
2) you dismissed the corrections you had on that point
3) you are a renowned troll

now skip along back to your daily mail threads where you can join in with people on your own level :thumbsup:

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casparwhite;8280397

mate it looks like youve had plenty of warning.......get an expert … mate it looks like youve had plenty of warning.......get an expert opinion but i reckon its time to wave her off to the scrappers, however sad you may be



yeh i'm try start it again later on and i'll ring a few mechanics on monday/tuesday or sooner if possible. i was probably gona scrap it anyway once i found something new, i am sad though as it's my first car and i bought it 4 years ago last week lol. oh well, thanks for your input anyhow.

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karenhornby;8280406

Engine warning light on for a couple of monthsThe word in the middle of … Engine warning light on for a couple of monthsThe word in the middle of "engine warning light" i.e. WARNING should have prompted you to get it fixed immediately.The lights come on to tell you of a problem, you drove round for a couple of months with a problem and now it could cost you upwards of £1000sympathy? none.next time pay attention and if you get a warning light, get it sorted, companies don't put the lights in the car for pretty effects, they serve a purpose, ie spend a little when they come on, save thousands!



i did get it diagnosed immediately and as i've mentioned countless times the repair bill was too much and a few mechanics told me it would be ok to drive while i look for a new car, which has been delayed fair enough but that is due to matters that have been out of my hands.

i'm not asking for sympathy or a slanging match, just some expert advice on what the problem could be.

galactico;8280403

as explained earlier, i was quoted between £400-£700 for a repair and the … as explained earlier, i was quoted between £400-£700 for a repair and the cars only worth like £1000 max. a few mechanics told me it would be fine to drive so i thought i'd continue driving it locally while i look for a new car and flog it once i've found one but unfortunately this has happened!



So it's going to be cheaper to fix now that it's broken down?
No decent mechanic would give you advice like that.

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pghstochaj;8280425

To start off, why did you top up the oil?



because it was quite low on checking a couple of weeks ago, so i put like a quarter of a canister in as a top up and was told by a friend that i might aswell put the whole remainder in so that is what i did. as i said i'm an amateur so tell me if i was wrong to do that...

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thesaint;8280482

So it's going to be cheaper to fix now that it's broken down?No decent … So it's going to be cheaper to fix now that it's broken down?No decent mechanic would give you advice like that.



i never mentioned that i was going to fix it, i knew the car was on it's last legs and would be scrapped eventually, i only posted to find out what could have caused it...

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galactico;8280431

yeh i'm try start it again later on and i'll ring a few mechanics on … yeh i'm try start it again later on and i'll ring a few mechanics on monday/tuesday or sooner if possible. i was probably gona scrap it anyway once i found something new, i am sad though as it's my first car and i bought it 4 years ago last week lol. oh well, thanks for your input anyhow.



you should have heeded the warnings tbh as youve cost yourself either way by not spending couple of hundred ish to get the cam belt changed

i would avoid the mechanics who have advised you also

galactico;8280491

because it was quite low on checking a couple of weeks ago, so i put like … because it was quite low on checking a couple of weeks ago, so i put like a quarter of a canister in as a top up and was told by a friend that i might aswell put the whole remainder in so that is what i did. as i said i'm an amateur so tell me if i was wrong to do that...



You should not just top up oil like that, you use the dipstick and certain conditions to check, i.e. level ground, all oil dropped from top of engine). Also, if it was losing a lot of oil, you should have considered why - generally healthy cars only use a very small amount of oil.

There are numerous things that could be wrong with your car, hence I won't even try to guess.

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casparwhite;8280527

you should have heeded the warnings tbh as youve cost yourself either way … you should have heeded the warnings tbh as youve cost yourself either way by not spending couple of hundred ish to get the cam belt changedi would avoid the mechanics who have advised you also



i was quoted £400 plus to get the chain changed so decided against it as the car aint worth much

and true there are many dodgy mechanics from around where i live so that's something to look out for in the future.

galactico;8280511

i only posted to find out what could have caused it...



Where do I start...

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i tried starting it again but no luck, a also just checked the oil levels and now they are above the max mark so i suppose i have overfilled... it wasn't on level ground though as my drive has a slight slope and the car's been parked up for about 90mins so I don't know if it was cold either. i'm unsure as to how much them factors affect the reading.

galactico;8280627

i was quoted £400 plus to get the chain changed so decided against it as … i was quoted £400 plus to get the chain changed so decided against it as the car aint worth muchand true there are many dodgy mechanics from around where i live so that's something to look out for in the future.



£400 is about the going rate, you thought as your car wasn't worth this you wouldn't bother, now do you see the economics? that £400 could have kept that car going another 5-10 years. - other repairs aside

First rule of even buying a 2nd hand car is if this job has been done and when...

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aardvarking;8280844

£400 is about the going rate, you thought as your car wasn't worth this … £400 is about the going rate, you thought as your car wasn't worth this you wouldn't bother, now do you see the economics? that £400 could have kept that car going another 5-10 years. - other repairs asideFirst rule of even buying a 2nd hand car is if this job has been done and when...



i was gona sell the car anyway without the problem as i needed something more economical, without the problem i'd say it's worth about £750 as the exterior condition is not the best and it would probably be cheaper to buy a whole new engine rather than repair it.

and now after checking the oil i'm having second thoughts on wether it is the timing chain that has caused the problem to occur or if it was due to overfilling the oil? i'm gonna have to try and get a mechanic down to have a look at it but thanks for the input.

Justed asked the OH who is very clued up on cars and he thinks you have put too much oil in and the bores are filled up with oil and will not ignite.Where are abouts are you?If close by he said he could have a look.Or do you want our phone number?

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terrapins2;8281164

Justed asked the OH who is very clued up on cars and he thinks you have … Justed asked the OH who is very clued up on cars and he thinks you have put too much oil in and the bores are filled up with oil and will not ignite.Where are abouts are you?If close by he said he could have a look.Or do you want our phone number?



i'm thinking he may be right, i'm in bradford so I don't think i'm near you but thanks for the offer anyway :-)

whatsThePoint;8281445

LOL If that was the case OP should of noticed great big cloud of white … LOL If that was the case OP should of noticed great big cloud of white smoke following him around before it broke down :whistling:OP avoid her OH at all costs



LOL.OH said why white smoke as oil gives off black smoke.:whistling:He has worked on Nissan Skyliners,Subaru Impreza,Piccaso ect.Have pm op.He did offer to take a look if op was close by but he is to far away.And he would not have charged him a penny.
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