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    Our 7 year old goes to the local primary school which happens to be a RC school. We didn't send him there BECAUSE it was a RC school - purely because it was our local school and made practical sense.

    Me and my partner are athiests but would never force our views on our children, so didn't really have issue with him going to a RC school.

    We've just gone to put down our 18 month year old on to the waiting list for the nursery at the school (early I know, but no harm) and the school ADMINISTRATOR (yes, basically the receptionist - not the head) told us that it's hardly worth bothering to do as our baby isn't baptised and suggested we get him baptised. We've explained to them our view is that it is our sons choice to get baptised when he can make his own choice but she just looked down her nose at us and said (exact wording) "Well I'll put his name down, but don't get your hopes up as he probably won't get in. You know you CAN make an informed decision for him." This seriously riled me and I left before I got into an argument.

    I'm disappointed. Maybe it was just this persons view/approach and doesn't truly represent the school. We've had no issues with the school RE: our 7 year olds education and they took him into Year 1 without being baptised. I remember the head asking at the time if he was a catholic and we said no, nothing more was said.

    Anyone had experience or views on this? Not a religious debate ... more about where we stand, etc.

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    surely your youngest will automatically be accepted because your eldest attends the school? i went to a RC school and i'm CofE, made no difference to me nor the school

    If the school has admission criteria then there is little you can do but wait. If the time comes and there are too many applications then you are not going to get a space then. It might be worth checking their criteria, round our way siblings are top of the llst (when they are catholic admittedly). Do you have a copy of the criteria?

    Original Poster

    Thats exactly what we thought. I'm hoping this is just a case of the administrator getting on her high horse. Fortuntely, my experience of the teachers at this school re-assures me that they do not carry the same righteous attitudes.

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    I'm attempting to find their selection criteria. We still have it somewhere from when the eldest joined.

    Maybe they give priority to Catholic children which is understandable.

    lfc_engravedonheart;8242070

    surely your youngest will automatically be accepted because your eldest … surely your youngest will automatically be accepted because your eldest attends the school? i went to a RC school and i'm CofE, made no difference to me nor the school



    Didnt work like that for my brother and I, the year after I left sixth form he went upto the school, but he was not automatically accepted. My Mum and I taught him at home for a couple of months before they allowed him in, and that was only as we were teaching him from home, and not already at another school.

    awoodhall2003;8242143

    Didnt work like that for my brother and I, the year after I left sixth … Didnt work like that for my brother and I, the year after I left sixth form he went upto the school, but he was not automatically accepted. My Mum and I taught him at home for a couple of months before they allowed him in, and that was only as we were teaching him from home, and not already at another school.



    Your sibling has to be still at the school, this does not apply at any school if the eldest has left.

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    queenlush;8242126

    Maybe they give priority to Catholic children which is understandable.



    But surely they have to accept SOME non-catholics if they receive any government funding? And of those non-catholics, I guess there will be a priority list (hoping siblings are at the top).

    The nursery may have a different admission policy to the school.

    greg_68;8242158

    Your sibling has to be still at the school, this does not apply at any … Your sibling has to be still at the school, this does not apply at any school if the eldest has left.



    Ah fair enough, but what did help his application was that I achieved pretty good grades there.

    awoodhall2003;8242143

    Didnt work like that for my brother and I, the year after I left sixth … Didnt work like that for my brother and I, the year after I left sixth form he went upto the school, but he was not automatically accepted. My Mum and I taught him at home for a couple of months before they allowed him in, and that was only as we were teaching him from home, and not already at another school.



    ah right i just thought thats the way schools worked, obviously not

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    The only way to get some sort of guarantee is to have the child baptised. Just go through the motions at church, attend for 6 months or whatever it is your local church requires before they allow a baptism. The baptism can then be the final time you go. This happens all the time at my local church and catholic primary school.

    I'm an atheist and I was baptised and went to a catholic secondary school. Being baptised means nothing really, it's just a splash of water and isn't going to turn your child into a bible basher.

    You may need to consider Secondary School too ( I know it seems a long way off) they may be even harder to get into for both of your children. You maybe in the situation where all their best friends go to Catholic Secondary (if they are Catholic) and your children may not go with them.

    Not much help but I can't believe that schools can discriminate against children due to their parent's faith or non faith.

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    whatsThePoint;8242221

    :? If i had to do that to get my kids in a school i'd rather they didn't … :? If i had to do that to get my kids in a school i'd rather they didn't go



    It'd be a chore for sure but it's a couple of hours a week for a few months. Close by me you have a choice of two really bad secondary schools in the catchment area, or the Catholic secondary school a few miles away which is very good. A lot of people go through the motions just to get their kid into that secondary school, and that's 10 years before they'll attend.

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    whatsThePoint;8242311

    How do they check if you've had it done?



    If it's the local church then they're practically the same institution so records are shared. If you moved to the area after having it done at your old church they will call the church up. Records are kept.

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    As I've said, I firmly believe my children should make their own choices in life, including whether to follow a religion or not. As an athiest I hope that my children will grow up with a logical understanding of the world around them and come to the conclusions that I did when I was growing up. I owe my parents a lot for giving me such freedoms.

    However, at the end of the day, our schooling system is partially funded by tax payers and therefore, as a tax payer, I feel I have the right to apply to whatever school I wish. This primary school is located very close by. My partner does not drive and therefore it is simply more practical than going to a school further afield. However, if that is what is needed, then that is what will happen.

    my 2 girls are going to a catholic school even though they are not baptisted we have the same view as you letting them make up their own mind, the school here is no longer allowed to discriminate against different religions so have to accept anyone who wants to go to the school. it works on a catchment area, which decides whether or not you get in.

    tbh though its still mainly catholic children that attend but we felt it was the better school compared to the other one just across the road, not catholic. when it comes to p4 and they are preparing for their sacraments we can opt them out if we want to and they will be given a general re class instead, and they will not be the only ones in the class.

    I didnt think they were allowed to do that anymore, polictical correctness and all that I would speak to the head and try to sort it out before getting too angry about it. hope you get it sorted out

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    dananana;8242242

    Not much help but I can't believe that schools can discriminate against … Not much help but I can't believe that schools can discriminate against children due to their parent's faith or non faith.



    This is the key issue IMO - but I guess it's hard to prove you are being discriminited against. If our child is not accepted but other non-catholics are accepted, then I have no argument.

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    tracyhay;8242464

    my 2 girls are going to a catholic school even though they are not … my 2 girls are going to a catholic school even though they are not baptisted we have the same view as you letting them make up their own mind, the school here is no longer allowed to discriminate against different religions so have to accept anyone who wants to go to the school. it works on a catchment area, which decides whether or not you get in. tbh though its still mainly catholic children that attend but we felt it was the better school compared to the other one just across the road, not catholic. when it comes to p4 and they are preparing for their sacraments we can opt them out if we want to and they will be given a general re class instead, and they will not be the only ones in the class. I didnt think they were allowed to do that anymore, polictical correctness and all that I would speak to the head and try to sort it out before getting too angry about it. hope you get it sorted out




    Yes, the more I think about the more I think it's just an old fashioned secretary airing her opinions when she shouldn't.

    my children both go to catholic school even though my husband and i are not catholics. priority is given to catholic children and then non catholic children with siblings at their school. they dont force their views on us although obviously with it being catholic school they do alot of praying and other religious things. we chose for our children to go there purely down to their ofsted report, which was fantastic.

    TUSSFC;8242476

    Yes, the more I think about the more I think it's just an old fashioned … Yes, the more I think about the more I think it's just an old fashioned secretary airing her opinions when she shouldn't.



    yep I think that maybe the case, I have heard from some other parents who went to see the same school and they were under the impression that it was catholic only with what the secretary said tbh I think it depends on if they think your child will fit in with what they want for the school, or the type of parents that the want, if you get what I mean without putting it rudely:oops:

    I actually got into a heated debate a little while ago on here with a teacher that had applied for a job in a catholic school but got refused because she was not catholic, as I had mentioned that the best school in my area happened to be the predominatly catholic one that she thought was a shame that this was the case, but it had to make me wonder if it being a catholic school is exactly why it is better, a little stricter maybe and more caring?

    master_chief;8242201

    The only way to get some sort of guarantee is to have the child baptised. … The only way to get some sort of guarantee is to have the child baptised. Just go through the motions at church, attend for 6 months or whatever it is your local church requires before they allow a baptism. The baptism can then be the final time you go. This happens all the time at my local church and catholic primary school.I'm an atheist and I was baptised and went to a catholic secondary school. Being baptised means nothing really, it's just a splash of water and isn't going to turn your child into a bible basher.


    It's not only a splash of water...maybe you should go and do some research before commenting !!

    As for non-catholics attending catholic schools it all depends on what % of non-catholics they want in the school and how many pupils are in the school already. They have to leave some slots open for the catholic pupils that may be joining in the future. My 2 go to a catholic school and are both practicing catholics and the max pupils they can have in their school is around 150. Right now they have 122 students and have to keep a certain number of slots open incase other catholic pupils wanted to join in the future.

    zeus9876;8242590

    It's not only a splash of water...maybe you should go and do some … It's not only a splash of water...maybe you should go and do some research before commenting !!As for non-catholics attending catholic schools it all depends on what % of non-catholics they want in the school and how many pupils are in the school already. They have to leave some slots open for the catholic pupils that may be joining in the future. My 2 go to a catholic school and are both practicing catholics and the max pupils they can have in their school is around 150. Right now they have 122 students and have to keep a certain number of slots open incase other catholic pupils wanted to join in the future.



    I agree with that too many people do thing like this without thinking it through properly, perhaps thats why it doesnt mean as much as it used to, which is a shame for those that really believe in it

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    zeus9876;8242590

    It's not only a splash of water...maybe you should go and do some … It's not only a splash of water...maybe you should go and do some research before commenting !!



    Oh do enlighten me then. Maybe all the ceremonies I attended were fake ones. They obviously don't say a few prayers, bit of bible reading, few hymns and then put a bit of water on the babies head?

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    master_chief;8242612

    Oh do enlighten me then. Maybe all the ceremonies I attended were fake … Oh do enlighten me then. Maybe all the ceremonies I attended were fake ones. They obviously don't say a few prayers, bit of bible reading, few hymns and then put a bit of water on the babies head?



    oh dear I feel a religious debate coming on

    tracyhay;8242464

    my 2 girls are going to a catholic school even though they are not … my 2 girls are going to a catholic school even though they are not baptisted we have the same view as you letting them make up their own mind, the school here is no longer allowed to discriminate against different religions so have to accept anyone who wants to go to the school. it works on a catchment area, which decides whether or not you get in. tbh though its still mainly catholic children that attend but we felt it was the better school compared to the other one just across the road, not catholic. [SIZE=5][COLOR=red]when it comes to p4 and they are preparing for their sacraments we can opt them out if we want to and they will be given a general re class instead[/COLOR][/SIZE], and they will not be the only ones in the class.I didnt think they were allowed to do that anymore, polictical correctness and all that I would speak to the head and try to sort it out before getting too angry about it. hope you get it sorted out


    You won't have a choice.... If they are not catholic then they can't take part anyways.

    master_chief;8242612

    Oh do enlighten me then. Maybe all the ceremonies I attended were fake … Oh do enlighten me then. Maybe all the ceremonies I attended were fake ones. They obviously don't say a few prayers, bit of bible reading, few hymns and then put a bit of water on the babies head?


    I'm not getting into a debate with anyone about it...You are born in sin. And getting baptized frees you of all sin. Go do your homework please.

    Our local RC primary school had an information pack for parents which mentioned priority is given to RC children but they did accept non-RC children. Check if they have an information pack, have a quiet word with the Headteacher and if you are still concerned, check with the education authority.

    dedication is what you need.........

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    zeus9876;8242656

    I'm not getting into a debate with anyone about it...You are born in sin. … I'm not getting into a debate with anyone about it...You are born in sin. And getting baptized frees you of all sin. Go do your homework please.



    That's if you believe yes. As the OP stated they are atheists then they don't believe a word you just said. The baptism ceremony to an atheist should mean nothing though they may choose to be respectful of the ritual regardless.

    I'm not going to debate religion as it's a fools argument.

    zeus9876;8242645

    You won't have a choice.... If they are not catholic then they can't take … You won't have a choice.... If they are not catholic then they can't take part anyways.



    yes we can get them baptised if it is something the kids want to do by the time the kids reach p4 they should be able to decide for themselves, we have spoke to the school about it already, oh and my husband and myself are both catholics, but as I said we chose not to force it on our children, they will make up their own mind

    zeus9876;8242645

    You won't have a choice.... If they are not catholic then they can't take … You won't have a choice.... If they are not catholic then they can't take part anyways.


    I went to a CoE school and I was encouraged to participate until my parents wrote in and said I didnt have to. They use to attend the local church every Friday morning. Might be different with Catholic though, although I did apply for a place at a Catholic secondary school as it was a good school.

    zeus9876;8242656

    I'm not getting into a debate with anyone about it...You are born in sin. … I'm not getting into a debate with anyone about it...You are born in sin. And getting baptized frees you of all sin. Go do your homework please.


    Only if that is what you believe in, otherwise it does not.

    I think priority goes to catholic children. My daughter goes to a catholic school, but she isnt baptised as yet. Reason being when we moved area there was a place available and its a great school. If there are places after the catholic children are in, then the places will go to non catholic children,

    They do celebrate religion a lot, say prayers everyday and have preists in assembly sometimes.

    tracyhay;8242693

    yes we can get them baptised if it is something the kids want to do by … yes we can get them baptised if it is something the kids want to do by the time the kids reach p4 they should be able to decide for themselves, we have spoke to the school about it already, oh and my husband and myself are both catholics, but as I said we chose not to force it on our children, they will make up their own mind


    Yes if they do decide to

    4lyons09;8242698

    I think priority goes to catholic children. My daughter goes to a … I think priority goes to catholic children. My daughter goes to a catholic school, but she isnt baptised as yet. Reason being when we moved area there was a place available and its a great school. If there are places after the catholic children are in, then the places will go to non catholic children,They do celebrate religion a lot, say prayers everyday and have preists in assembly sometimes.



    the catholic school here is not as strict as that they only go to church twice per year and re is only once a week, so I guess it varies from school to school as many other things do. they dont do alot on the religous front until it comes to p4 and like I said you can opt out

    4lyons09;8242698

    I think priority goes to catholic children. My daughter goes to a … I think priority goes to catholic children. My daughter goes to a catholic school, but she isnt baptised as yet. Reason being when we moved area there was a place available and its a great school. If there are places after the catholic children are in, then the places will go to non catholic children,They do celebrate religion a lot, say prayers everyday and have preists in assembly sometimes.


    Yup My eldest is in yr 3 and says 4 prayers in the morning and 2 at lunch and another before they leave to go home and the school goes to church every Wednesday. So yes it is your choice if you want your non-catholic children to go to a catholic school but they can't opt out of the school activities... ie: going to church and praying

    zeus9876;8242656

    I'm not getting into a debate with anyone about it...You are born in sin. … I'm not getting into a debate with anyone about it...You are born in sin. And getting baptized frees you of all sin. Go do your homework please.



    Surely you can see it from both points of view? To a non-believer it's simply an initiation rite, where water is splashed on a baby to accept them into Catholicism by symbolically cleansing them of original sin. The Catholic point of view merely omits the word "symbolically".

    As I was never baptised, I'm absolutely mired in sin :oops:
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