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    Caught in a Bus Lane...Was I in the wrong?

    So last Friday, I decided to go out for a quick drive and remember having to undertake around 3 cars in a bus lane as they were turning right into a retail park.

    I went into the bus lane for around 5 seconds and immediately came back out after this was done.

    Fine is £120 or £60 if paid within 14 days. If my local council refuse my appeal, I have another 14 days to pay the reduced rate, but if i appeal to an independent, I would have to pay the full amount if they find in favour of the council.

    Should I be appealing against the decision?

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    kewldeals;2603174



    in 4 the fail

    Gerbil you say fail so much that you have failed at life so shhhhhh

    ..................... great to see nothing much has changed !! lol :roll:

    The only way i think you can get out of this is if you were in the bus lane to turn into another road.

    But if were in a bus lane with designated times for buses only then i don't think you can do much as you should have seen the markings.

    I think.

    Original Poster

    black gerbil1;2603179

    in 4 the fail


    Troll.

    if you went out of the bus lane straight after, thats another penalty, crossing solid white line

    Might as well just stump up, they won't let you off just because you're an impatient ****** :lol:

    Original Poster

    emasu;2603235

    Were you trying to undertake the car that was turning and the one behind … Were you trying to undertake the car that was turning and the one behind it?



    Yep, both were turning right

    Might be worth a quick read of here before you pay up.

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    Is undertaking legal? I didn't think it was.

    If so, you won't get off it.

    Undertaking, being in a bus lane, and crossing a solid white line =

    How did they know it was you? Your number plate is blank!:whistling:

    Shengis;2603229

    Might as well just stump up, they won't let you off just because you're … Might as well just stump up, they won't let you off just because you're an impatient ****** :lol:



    Yes, that's the long and short of it. You broke the rules and the argument that you would have had to wait for the cars in front to turn right isn't a valid one. If so, then we should be able to drive on the footpath too...

    Totally pathetic if there is no appeal, they seriously expect people to sit there, for possibly a good few minutes with cars turning right on a busy road, when there is a perfectly empty lane next to them that can be used? No wonder congestion is so bad in London :roll:

    Ports of call are:
    5ive-o.org/for…php
    forums.pepipoo.com/

    peodude;2603278

    Totally pathetic if there is no appeal, they seriously expect people to … Totally pathetic if there is no appeal, they seriously expect people to sit there, for possibly a good few minutes with cars turning right on a busy road, when there is a perfectly empty lane next to them that can be used? No wonder congestion is so bad in London :roll:



    Well yes, a designated bus lane is there for a reason.

    Add undertaking on zig zag lines too. ( Or so it looks )
    Dangerous.
    Pay up.

    emasu;2603255

    Is undertaking legal? I didn't think it was.If so, you won't get off it.



    Undertaking is NOT illegal, it is a common misconception. People have been prosecuted, but under Due Care and Attention. If done safely and appropriately then there is no problem

    peodude;2603308

    Undertaking is NOT illegal, it is a common misconception. People have … Undertaking is NOT illegal, it is a common misconception. People have been prosecuted, but under Due Care and Attention. If done safely and appropriately then there is no problem


    :thumbsup:

    peodude;2603278

    Totally pathetic if there is no appeal, they seriously expect people to … Totally pathetic if there is no appeal, they seriously expect people to sit there, for possibly a good few minutes with cars turning right on a busy road, when there is a perfectly empty lane next to them that can be used? No wonder congestion is so bad in London :roll:



    and the footpath if it is not being used should be ok too in your scenario? or is that different somehow? one is intended for walking and not cars, the other is intended for buses and not cars. It's clearly defined by law and your 'common-sense' arguments will get nowhere in this case...

    Original Poster

    Liddle ol' me;2603317

    and the footpath if it is not being used should be ok too in your … and the footpath if it is not being used should be ok too in your scenario? or is that different somehow? one is intended for walking and not cars, the other is intended for buses and not cars. It's clearly defined by law and your 'common-sense' arguments will get nowhere in this case...



    In all fairness, I wasn't deliberately flouting the law/rules. I was keeping up with traffic.
    Mentioning the pavement/footpath is a silly comparison.
    I was in the bus lane for 5 seconds, avoiding build up of traffic.

    Liddle ol' me;2603317

    and the footpath if it is not being used should be ok too in your … and the footpath if it is not being used should be ok too in your scenario? or is that different somehow? one is intended for walking and not cars, the other is intended for buses and not cars. It's clearly defined by law and your 'common-sense' arguments will get nowhere in this case...



    A footpath is a raided area for pedestrians, a bus lane is part of the road, and should be perfectly acceptable to use when necessary for very short periods, such as when there is a large queue of traffic to turn right!.

    What if one of them cars had have broken down? Sit behind them and wait till they were moved, or drive round them in the bus lane?

    peodude;2603278

    Totally pathetic if there is no appeal, they seriously expect people to … Totally pathetic if there is no appeal, they seriously expect people to sit there, for possibly a good few minutes with cars turning right on a busy road, when there is a perfectly empty lane next to them that can be used? No wonder congestion is so bad in London :roll:Ports of call are:http://www.5ive-o.org/forum/index.phphttp://forums.pepipoo.com/



    Busy road? Did you look at the pictures? Didn't look that busy to me.

    Just pay up and remember this lesson

    Also looks to me like the white car wasn't turning right.

    But the fact still remains you were in the bus lane. You must have known it was a bus lane and you didn't have the patience to wait.


    No matter how long you spent in it, It doesn't matter if there was a build up of traffic, you still used it against the rules.

    Original Poster

    Jumpingphil;2603356

    Also looks to me like the white car wasn't turning right.



    I remember 3 cars having their indicators on when I switched lanes. So yep, the silver car also turned right.

    kewldeals;2603343

    In all fairness, I wasn't deliberately flouting the law/rules. I was … In all fairness, I wasn't deliberately flouting the law/rules. I was keeping up with traffic.Mentioning the pavement/footpath is a silly comparison. I was in the bus lane for 5 seconds, avoiding build up of traffic.



    The comparison is to demonstate a point. That point is that you broke the law. The argument of whether you did so knowingly or not is not valid; neither is your point about build up of traffic. Let me use another comparative to see if it is less 'silly' for you. On the motorway, if there is a buildup of traffic, is it ok to use the hard shoulder? No, clearly not, and any of the arguments above would be dismissed in that case too.

    I'd just accept what you did, take the fine and move on.

    Appealing against solid evidence of an offence won't work.

    Original Poster

    Liddle ol' me;2603371

    The comparison is to demonstate a point. That point is that you broke … The comparison is to demonstate a point. That point is that you broke the law. The argument of whether you did so knowingly or not is not valid; neither is your point about build up of traffic. Let me use another comparative to see if it is less 'silly' for you. On the motorway, if there is a buildup of traffic, is it ok to use the hard shoulder? No, clearly not, and any of the arguments above would be dismissed in that case too.



    If someone was broken down, then perhaps, obviously not under normal circumstances.

    [SIZE="5"]

    Q. Can I go into a bus lane to overtake a vehicle waiting to make turn … Q. Can I go into a bus lane to overtake a vehicle waiting to make turn right or blocking the outer lane?A. vehicle may use the bus lane for the sole purpose of maneuvering around a stationery vehicle, provided the vehicle immediately returns to the outer lane and does not remain in the bus lane.

    [/SIZE]

    wandsworth.gov.uk/Hom…htm

    FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT ALL THE WAY!

    kewldeals;2603386

    If someone was broken down, then perhaps, obviously not under normal … If someone was broken down, then perhaps, obviously not under normal circumstances.



    Ok, so you see the logic then. You don't have an 'unusual and unforeseen circumstances' argument to bring to the authority. Now if you had a woman in labour on the passenger seat, you might be in with a shout...

    Yep it seems in this case theyve got you bang to rights. It's really not worth risking some jobsworth sending you a ticket to save a few minutes waiting. Luckily they don't seem to have any bus lan cameras in my area but I suppose it's a matter of time.

    In a common-sense society this wouldn't warrant a ticket; however, ours is NOT a common-sense society any more - it's a state full of rules (some petty, some not) & jobsworth people willing to enforce the rules (especially the petty ones). Witness the guy in Wales done for smoking in his own van.

    Sorry for you, but as common sense no longer applies I'm afraid you're done for.

    peodude;2603404

    http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/Home/EnvironmentandTransport/Parking/buslanefaq.htmFIGHT FIGHT FIGHT ALL THE WAY!



    Seems like a good case then, I retract my bang to rights. Is this also in the highways code?

    peodude;2603404

    http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/Home/EnvironmentandTransport/Parking/buslanefaq.htmFIGHT FIGHT FIGHT ALL THE WAY!



    hehe - now THAT might change things :-D I take back everything I said. erm... fight, fight, fight. all the way?? :oops:

    Original Poster

    peodude;2603404

    http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/Home/EnvironmentandTransport/Parking/buslanefaq.htmFIGHT FIGHT FIGHT ALL THE WAY!



    Thank you for this. Very helpful!

    Original Poster

    I must admit, I didnt expect such a....'response' from everyone :oops: lol.
    I have only been driving for around 6 months, in reality I was only looking for advice, if you guys dont think I should risk having to pay an extra £60, I doubt I would do it.

    Were you snapped in Wandsworth borough then?

    Which borough was this in? That could just be borough specific.

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    Liddle ol' me;2603416

    hehe - now THAT might change things :-D I take back everything I said. … hehe - now THAT might change things :-D I take back everything I said. erm... fight, fight, fight. all the way?? :oops:



    You can travel a long way in 5 seconds - dependant upon driver speed and quite likely more than 20 metres provided.

    OP didn't make a left turn though, he undertook and rejoined the road.

    Am i missing something else though ? :thumbsup:

    Highway Code

    You [COLOR=Red]MUST NOT[/COLOR] overtake:If you would have to enter an … You [COLOR=Red]MUST NOT[/COLOR] overtake:If you would have to enter an area to divide traffic, if it is surrounded by a solid white lineIf you would have to enter a lane reserved for buses, trams or cycles during its hours of operation

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