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    CBBC Releases transgender program aimed at children.

    the BBC has released a program which actively discusses hormone blocking and gender transformation aimed at 7 year olds.

    telegraph.co.uk/new…os/

    Whats peoples thoughts on this?

    See I have no problem with people wanting to change gender, but I feel very strong about this being something that should be done as an adult, or at least 15+

    Personally I think a child really can't comprehend the massive implications of changing gender. its something I expect you would need years of therapy and counselling to make sure you understand what you want..

    can we really say that a child of 7 can understand about gender change? when we protect children from sex and sexuality on the basis that they are suggestible, vulnerable and not emotionally capable to understand.

    I think this program is fine if it was aimed at teenagers. but to aim it at very young children, I worry its suggestive.

    Also I hate the phrase "was born in the wrong body"

    you were born in your body, nothing more to it. its your mental state about being a certain gender that is the issue.

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    I'll treat it like I treat all things on the internet when it comes to my kids - if I don't want them to see it, I won't let them.

    I suspect what this is - and it's clear in the OP - is a way to start a discussion on transgender individuals. I'm not entirely sure that's a great idea but let's see. (_;)

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    I'll treat it like I treat all things on the internet when it comes to my … I'll treat it like I treat all things on the internet when it comes to my kids - if I don't want them to see it, I won't let them.I suspect what this is - and it's clear in the OP - is a way to start a discussion on transgender individuals. I'm not entirely sure that's a great idea but let's see. (_;)



    Its on a website aimed at 6-8 year olds, its not on Netflix or you porn, its on a publicly funded website aimed at young children.

    I didnt realise too only you are allowed to start potential controversial subjects on here? they are discussing it right now on Channel 5.
    Edited by: "haritori" 31st Oct 2016

    haritori

    Its on a website aimed at 6-8 year olds,



    That doesn't change my answer one iota. I'm of the opinion that 6-8 year olds (and older) should have their internet activity monitored and restricted.

    It won't be long before midwives are banned from announcing the sex of the child to the parent.

    "Congratulations. It's a baby of non-gender specific description"

    Banned

    What is this programme called?

    Original Poster

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    That doesn't change my answer one iota. I'm of the opinion that 6-8 year … That doesn't change my answer one iota. I'm of the opinion that 6-8 year olds (and older) should have their internet activity monitored and restricted.




    You're not understanding are you..

    all responsible parents monitor internet activity, and thats in 2 ways

    1) You block all potential bad sites, or
    2) You look at history..

    So how many parents have blocked CBBC website?

    Or if they monitor history, its too late the show has been seen.

    Clearly you stand over you kids while they surf. the rest of us use parental controls, its not foolproof and its not 100% things will and do get through.

    its important to explain in context etc but the point isn't about letting you kids see it, its about is the BBC Right to produce this program for children?

    Edited by: "haritori" 31st Oct 2016

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    scazz786

    What is this programme called?



    'Just A Girl'

    haritori

    You're not understanding are you..all responsible parents monitor … You're not understanding are you..all responsible parents monitor internet activity, and thats in 2 ways1) You block all potential bad sites, or 2) You look at history..So how many parents have blocked CBBC website? Or if they monitor history, its too late the show has been seen.Clearly you stand over you kids while they surf. the rest of us use parental controls, its not foolproof and its not 100% things will and do get through.its important to explain in context etc but the point isn't about letting you kids see it, its about is the BBC Right to produce this program for children?



    My kids don't have access to anything that can control the internet without my say-so. They have strict limits on when they can use electronic devices and what they can use them for.

    Now whether I agree with what this program says or not, there are clearly parents out there who want this stuff to be produced and the BBC is a public broadcaster. Ergo I don't care if it's made for them because it won't have any impact on my kids.

    stuarthanley

    It won't be long before midwives are banned from announcing the sex of … It won't be long before midwives are banned from announcing the sex of the child to the parent. "Congratulations. It's a baby of non-gender specific description"



    For now, but it will end up being something like, "Congratulations, you've given birth to a bouncing baby binary".

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    My kids don't have access to anything that can control the internet … My kids don't have access to anything that can control the internet without my say-so. They have strict limits on when they can use electronic devices and what they can use them for.Now whether I agree with what this program says or not, there are clearly parents out there who want this stuff to be produced and the BBC is a public broadcaster. Ergo I don't care if it's made for them because it won't have any impact on my kids.



    Im alright Jack again eh.. I see a pattern.

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    Predikuesi

    For now, but it will end up being something like, "Congratulations, … For now, but it will end up being something like, "Congratulations, you've given birth to a bouncing baby binary".



    now where would you like the barcode?

    [img]encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJaDLxd0QgD69sBQ47Tn0kgEseXu_O-gdmfphXv7UNwp5QBl8heg[/img]

    I think that it's a potentially difficult subject to broach, whether you are a parent discussing this with your child or a child wanting to discuss this with his/her parents and I could imagine that for both parent and child this could be helpful.

    I don't have a great understanding of transgenderism, but I would suspect, as with many cases of homosexuality, that it is something that you know about yourself from an early age. Something which explains to children that this is accepted and not something to be ashamed of is surely a good thing and will hopefully teach children who are not transgender that it is not something to mock others for and to help them understand transgenderism.

    Predikuesi

    For now, but it will end up being something like, "Congratulations, … For now, but it will end up being something like, "Congratulations, you've given birth to a bouncing baby binary".


    Won't be long before we have to number our children instead of name them in case a masculine/feminine name causes them some confusion in the future and they take their parents to court over it.
    The world is going mad.

    haritori

    now where would you like the … now where would you like the barcode?[img]https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJaDLxd0QgD69sBQ47Tn0kgEseXu_O-gdmfphXv7UNwp5QBl8heg[/img]


    You beat me to it.

    haritori

    Im alright Jack again eh.. I see a pattern.



    How on Earth is that 'I'm alright Jack'? X)

    Since when did it become 'weird' for a parent to have control over what his kids have access to? They don't buy their iPads, they don't control the internet access.....you realise that the job of a parent is to do things like this, to tell kids what they can and can't do and to enforce those rules right?

    You're talking to me as if I'm suggesting my children levitate four feet of the ground when all I'm doing is telling you what tens of thousands of parents manage every day.

    haritori

    Im alright Jack again eh.. I see a pattern.


    Cares about other people's kids in one thread. Doesn't care in another.

    RossD89

    I think that it's a potentially difficult subject to broach, whether you … I think that it's a potentially difficult subject to broach, whether you are a parent discussing this with your child or a child wanting to discuss this with his/her parents and I could imagine that for both parent and child this could be helpful.I don't have a great understanding of transgenderism, but I would suspect, as with many cases of homosexuality, that it is something that you know about yourself from an early age. Something which explains to children that this is accepted and not something to be ashamed of is surely a good thing and will hopefully teach children who are not transgender that it is not something to mock others for and to help them understand transgenderism.



    What a fantastically moderate and fair-minded opinion. Wish I could like this more.

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    RossD89

    I think that it's a potentially difficult subject to broach, whether you … I think that it's a potentially difficult subject to broach, whether you are a parent discussing this with your child or a child wanting to discuss this with his/her parents and I could imagine that for both parent and child this could be helpful.I don't have a great understanding of transgenderism, but I would suspect, as with many cases of homosexuality, that it is something that you know about yourself from an early age. Something which explains to children that this is accepted and not something to be ashamed of is surely a good thing and will hopefully teach children who are not transgender that it is not something to mock others for and to help them understand transgenderism.



    I agree with the sentiments but I'm not sure that a 7 year old could actually understand it, i feel we do not let our kids be kids anymore, pushing matters of sexuality on to them at ever increasing young ages.

    It could have a potential to confuse a child, maybe even suggest that they are not right being a boy or girl and should not celebrate differences but HAVE to embrace opposites.. not always bad but not always good.

    I think if a child genuinely does have a desire to change its sex, then its a matter for the NHS and Health Care, even maybe social services, but I think a parent would know without needing The Tweenies telling them about it.

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    How on Earth is that 'I'm alright Jack'? X)Since when did it become … How on Earth is that 'I'm alright Jack'? X)Since when did it become 'weird' for a parent to have control over what his kids have access to? They don't buy their iPads, they don't control the internet access.....you realise that the job of a parent is to do things like this, to tell kids what they can and can't do and to enforce those rules right?You're talking to me as if I'm suggesting my children levitate four feet of the ground when all I'm doing is telling you what tens of thousands of parents manage every day.



    because you basically say, your kids don't see it, its not a problem for you.. you haven't answered the issue underlying about the countries kids, not just yours.

    stuarthanley

    Won't be long before we have to number our children instead of name them … Won't be long before we have to number our children instead of name them in case a masculine/feminine name causes them some confusion in the future and they take their parents to court over it. The world is going mad.



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    Predikuesi


    That's a huge soft mint.

    haritori

    because you basically say, your kids don't see it, its not a problem for … because you basically say, your kids don't see it, its not a problem for you.. you haven't answered the issue underlying about the countries kids, not just yours.



    Apologies for having the expectation that parents you be parents to their kids. What I'm learning from this thread is that's clearly not the case. I apologise.

    Anyway, there's a tee time with my name on it. Hope this thread delivers for you.

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Apologies for having the expectation that parents you be parents to their … Apologies for having the expectation that parents you be parents to their kids. What I'm learning from this thread is that's clearly not the case. I apologise.Anyway, there's a tee time with my name on it. Hope this thread delivers for you.



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    I think a majority of transgender children are transgender because of their parents encourage them, we don't really need the BBC encouraging them too. As the child gets older I can understand they might start questioning their gender but most would probably grow out of it. Just like being gay, most kids don't think seriously about sexuality until their teens, let them grow up naturally and don't try pushing agendas. I wouldn't force religion either, non of my kids have been christened but if they wanted to be then that would be their choice.

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    Now the resident Troll has gone maybe we can have a proper discussion about this.

    haritori

    I agree with the sentiments but I'm not sure that a 7 year old could … I agree with the sentiments but I'm not sure that a 7 year old could actually understand it, i feel we do not let our kids be kids anymore, pushing matters of sexuality on to them at ever increasing young ages. It could have a potential to confuse a child, maybe even suggest that they are not right being a boy or girl and should not celebrate differences but HAVE to embrace opposites.. not always bad but not always good.I think if a child genuinely does have a desire to change its sex, then its a matter for the NHS and Health Care, even maybe social services, but I think a parent would know without needing The Tweenies telling them about it.



    A 7 year old who has gender identity issues might understand it. There are cases of young children who struggle with gender identity so I would like to think that this will help those children and their parents better understand the issue. I would guess that this is aimed towards them, and more broadly those children who aren't transgender so that they understand transgenderism.

    I don't necessarily think that it is the case of pushing sexuality on to children, but more a case of making them aware that there are differences in sexuality and letting them know that it is okay to feel that way.

    Whether it is right or wrong I suppose is up to individual parents. I don't personally see it as a bad thing to teach young children, but I understand that others will.

    I'm slowly coming round to the opinion that there's no such thing as a 'gay' or 'straight' gene, but there might be a 'enjoy sexual relations' type of gene.

    Seems to me peeps just enjoy sexual activity.

    Some of them enjoy it in different ways - and it would appear there are many different ways; recently read about a man married a horse - was he a horse born in a mans' body or was the horse a woman/man/transwhatever born in horses' body - and should the NHS help them and their bodies?


    The more I look at this the more I think we are taking a basic sexual drive and perhaps unnecessarily breaking it down into endless categories which only serve to make a simple thing extremely complicated and confusing - and to now be unleashing this mad-scientist-mentality on children is an act of insanity.

    tryn2help

    I'm slowly coming round to the opinion that there's no such thing as a … I'm slowly coming round to the opinion that there's no such thing as a 'gay' or 'straight' gene, but there might be a 'enjoy sexual relations' type of gene.Seems to me peeps just enjoy sexual activity.Some of them enjoy it in different ways - and it would appear there are many different ways; recently read about a man married a horse - was he a horse born in a mans' body or was the horse a woman/man/transwhatever born in horses' body - and should the NHS help them and their bodies?The more I look at this the more I think we are taking a basic sexual drive and perhaps unnecessarily breaking it down into endless categories which only serve to make a simple thing extremely complicated and confusing - and to now be unleashing this mad-scientist-mentality on children is an act of insanity.


    Spot on, I think I'm a lion trapped inside a man's body.

    Although I fully support the LBGT community, there are many levels to each that a child of a young age will not understand. Just because they are in awe of girls clothing or toys does not mean they should be a girl, and may never want to be once they reach their teens.

    I would be concerned that some children might follow that path unnecessarily and they are too young to comprehend what that change means. Whether that's due to encouragement from a parent that really wanted a boy/girl, or their playful and curious mindset being pandered to when it really is only a phase.

    For example there is clearly a massive difference between an actor, a cross dresser, a drag queen, and someone identifying as trans, it's a certainty they would not all wish they were the opposite sex, but as a child will they really know that? They could be easily swayed at a young age.

    Having said all that nothing wrong with education at all, I've just always felt 'but what if?' when a child goes through a change when so young, and I wonder if any might regret making that decision once they are older.
    Edited by: "delusion" 31st Oct 2016

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    That doesn't change my answer one iota. I'm of the opinion that 6-8 year … That doesn't change my answer one iota. I'm of the opinion that 6-8 year olds (and older) should have their internet activity monitored and restricted.


    Wish someone would monitor your activity and restrict it!
    Edited by: "Mark2111" 31st Oct 2016

    shauneco

    Spot on, I think I'm a lion trapped inside a man's body.


    That's as may be, but I would strongly advise you to resist the urge to have sex with a lion. X)

    [img]images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-rbGctbSyeJk%2FT3VsbW6n1RI%2FAAAAAAAAApo%2FkpBaUHJG3DM%2Fs400%2Flion%252Battack.jpg&f=1[/img]
    Edited by: "tryn2help" 31st Oct 2016

    stuarthanley

    Won't be long before we have to number our children instead of name them … Won't be long before we have to number our children instead of name them in case a masculine/feminine name causes them some confusion in the future and they take their parents to court over it. The world is going mad.


    They do this already in Bali and surrounding areas/islands
    en.wikipedia.org/wik…ame

    The firstborn is "Wayan" or "Gede" or "Putu", second is "Made" or … The firstborn is "Wayan" or "Gede" or "Putu", second is "Made" or "Kadek", third is "Nyoman" or "Komang" (Man or Mang for short), and fourth is "Ketut" (often elided to Tut).



    Regarding the program and gender identity IMHO, and maybe others will agree, in most instances I've seen on tv or similar it's been the parent(s) who have encouraged the change in gender identity not the child - no I'm not blaming all the parents of "gay" children but it's what I believe is the main problem.

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    delusion

    Although I fully support the LBGT community, there are many levels to … Although I fully support the LBGT community, there are many levels to each that a child of a young age will not understand. Just because they are in awe of girls clothing or toys does not mean they should be a girl, and may never want to be once they reach their teens.I would be concerned that some children might follow that path unnecessarily and they are too young to comprehend what that change means. Whether that's due to encouragement from a parent that really wanted a boy/girl, or their playful and curious mindset being pandered to when it really is only a phase. For example there is clearly a massive difference between an actor, a cross dresser, a drag queen, and someone identifying as trans, it's a certainty they would not all wish they were the opposite sex, but as a child will they really know that? They could be easily swayed at a young age. Having said all that nothing wrong with education at all, I've just always felt 'but what if?' when a child goes through a change when so young, and I wonder if any might regret making that decision once they are older.



    I think there are a few examples of children regretting it in later life as well as adults regretting it.

    the latest being Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner with rumours about her wanting to transition back.

    shauneco

    I think a majority of transgender children are transgender because of … I think a majority of transgender children are transgender because of their parents encourage them, we don't really need the BBC encouraging them too. As the child gets older I can understand they might start questioning their gender but most would probably grow out of it. Just like being gay, most kids don't think seriously about sexuality until their teens, let them grow up naturally and don't try pushing agendas. I wouldn't force religion either, non of my kids have been christened but if they wanted to be then that would be their choice.


    Sorry Shaun didn't get to your post until after replying to Stuart

    BBC SEX CHILDREN PATTERN

    Way too young, at that age children should only just becoming aware that boys and girls are different.

    tryn2help

    That's as may be, but I would strongly advise you to resist the urge to … That's as may be, but I would strongly advise you to resist the urge to have sex with a lion. X)[img]https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-rbGctbSyeJk%2FT3VsbW6n1RI%2FAAAAAAAAApo%2FkpBaUHJG3DM%2Fs400%2Flion%252Battack.jpg&f=1[/img]


    Where did you find my pic?, That's me after a session with the wife, she takes her role too seriously ;).
    Edited by: ".MUFC." 31st Oct 2016

    I hate the BBC. Always have and probably always will. It seems to me as if there is always a not-so-hidden agenda. It's as if they want to force you into believing what they believe. Sky News are the same. This morning I was watching the Hilary email scandal unfold - and Sky News, somehow managed to turn it into an anti-Trump broadcast. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. It was propaganda - nothing more, nothing less. They were downplaying the events of Hilary's emails and actively bashing Trump and saying he would start World War 3.

    The media are responsible for a lot of what happens in society and I hope - with the internet, people can seek out the truth and put an end to these biased channels which spout leftist fantasies and are putting us on a path of self destruction.

    Yeah BBC are very bias, they were bias towards the the Brexit campaign, still are, they're bias towards the refugees too etc.. the list is endless.

    haritori

    I think there are a few examples of children regretting it in later life … I think there are a few examples of children regretting it in later life as well as adults regretting it.the latest being Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner with rumours about her wanting to transition back.


    I remember the shock of meeting an old schoolfriend in Asda, he was openly gay all through High School, yet here he was with his wife and three kids.

    He later explained to me that it was just something he enjoyed at the time, and that he had done a lot more besides, but he eventually fell in love with a lass from London.


    I suppose the stuff he told me may well have helped me form the opinion that people just enjoy sexual activity.
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