Child poverty in the UK

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Found 14th Aug 2017
This was a hard to view all the way through

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Just giving them money may not be the answer, maybe an "adopt a family" programme to help those who are incapable of helping themselves
I am helping a lady at the moment who is very poorly educated, he husband recently died and he sorted everything out for her, now he has gone she needs to find work, but is ill, and too uneducated to get a job, she has had 3 jobs in the last 4 months and has got the sack on her first day of each.

Dude getting the sack from 3 jobs on the first day is not accidental in any way, shape or form.

How is she of ill health?

If she's managed to pass the interview process for the job it sounds a bit odd they sack her on her first day, unless she is unwilling to work.

These kind of shows ruin things for people in "poverty".

Its just sensationalistic TV that people watch thinking "this is real life for the poverty stricken".

OP, don't be taken in by it. Do those in poverty a favour, close this thread and stop adding support to the "medias" way of live that people live.
Edited by: "groenleader" 14th Aug 2017

people never want to believe that some people need help and their situation is not their own fault. There is a group of feckless and lazy loafers who use up those services meant for those who are truly in need of help.

Televised stuff is screenplay and production of snapshots, it is very easy for anyone to experience poverty by oneself.

davewave1 h, 11 m ago

people never want to believe that some people need help and their …people never want to believe that some people need help and their situation is not their own fault. There is a group of feckless and lazy loafers who use up those services meant for those who are truly in need of help.



Usually they panic and carp in their pants if they needed to bet £10,000 that they are right on a specific range of figures as to how many feckless and lazy loafers there are using a service used to help the needy.

davewave4 h, 39 m ago

people never want to believe that some people need help and their …people never want to believe that some people need help and their situation is not their own fault. There is a group of feckless and lazy loafers who use up those services meant for those who are truly in need of help.


No doubt when it comes to the individual dave, people like you would rip them all a new one should they post on here regardless of the truths of their situation, as happens all the time in all different contexts that relates to the same thing.
the recent people with no shame as it was put, thread about supermarket reduced to clear sections for example.

I do find it funny to see the double standards of this place.

I find these difficult to watch too... a whole generation of kids with practically no hope and very little future.

I don;t know what the answer is though? Labour created an environment where generations of the same family have become reliant on benefits, the Tories only answer is to remove that safety blanket and see what happens. That's easy to do when you live in Sandbanks and won't have your stuff nicked so someone can make ends meet.

It's clearly not a simple problem or somoen would have solved it by now.

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Graham19795 h, 57 m ago

Dude getting the sack from 3 jobs on the first day is not accidental in …Dude getting the sack from 3 jobs on the first day is not accidental in any way, shape or form.How is she of ill health?


They were jobs given by job centre first one sacked after 1 hour when they found out she could hardly read and write. Other 2 were because she physically could not do the work due to arthritis. She should be on sick but will not do it as she wants to work. She is so poor you would not believe

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splender4 h, 16 m ago

Usually they panic and carp in their pants if they needed to bet £10,000 …Usually they panic and carp in their pants if they needed to bet £10,000 that they are right on a specific range of figures as to how many feckless and lazy loafers there are using a service used to help the needy.



Some are feckless too thick to cope. That does not mean they should not be helped. Is it always their fault?

Where they failed as kids?



They were jobs given by job centre first one sacked after 1 hour when they found out she could hardly read and write. Other 2 were because she physically could not do the work due to arthritis. She should be on sick but will not do it as she wants to work. She is so poor you would not believe

Flodd1 h, 1 m ago

I find these difficult to watch too... a whole generation of kids with …I find these difficult to watch too... a whole generation of kids with practically no hope and very little future.I don;t know what the answer is though? Labour created an environment where generations of the same family have become reliant on benefits, the Tories only answer is to remove that safety blanket and see what happens. That's easy to do when you live in Sandbanks and won't have your stuff nicked so someone can make ends meet.It's clearly not a simple problem or somoen would have solved it by now.


Thats a tory lie, they counted disabled parents of school age children whom are living with pensioner grandparents nto come up with that BS

Error4402 h, 24 m ago

No doubt when it comes to the individual dave, people like you would rip …No doubt when it comes to the individual dave, people like you would rip them all a new one should they post on here regardless of the truths of their situation, as happens all the time in all different contexts that relates to the same thing. the recent people with no shame as it was put, thread about supermarket reduced to clear sections for example.I do find it funny to see the double standards of this place.

Have a nice day, not sure why you want to pick on me again, but hope you aren't angry for long.

This is nothing new same as people i remember as a kid in the 90's and I'm sure many generations before. Comes down to the parents, some people just shouldn't have kids.

miles1362 h, 12 m ago

They were jobs given by job centre first one sacked after 1 hour when they …They were jobs given by job centre first one sacked after 1 hour when they found out she could hardly read and write. Other 2 were because she physically could not do the work due to arthritis. She should be on sick but will not do it as she wants to work. She is so poor you would not believe


Define poor?

Is she starving to death? walking miles for water? Although I guess poverty is relative.

There is an underclass in this country that will do nothing and expect help because it's "there right and what they're entitled to from the government" These people are simply written off as incapable of work and easier to ignore. She simply hasn't sat and let her husband do everything for for unless she got married aged 6 before she was taught to read and write.


Not is a negative way but is she actually beyond help? If she is crippled with Arthritis then nobody will employ her and rightly so. Would employ somebody who can't read, write or follow basic instructions then will be off with ill heath. She needs to swallow her pride and go back to the delightful and friendly people at the job centre with a note from her doctor. If they refer her to a specialist for tests then she goes, if she doesn't then either there is nothing wrong with her, her pride has got in the way or she is in fact a lazy dole dosser who deserves nothing and will use any excuse to avoid the 38 hours a week the rest of us do to pay for the benefits, pensions, council tax, food in their kids bellies, clothes on their kids backs.

Graham19791 h, 17 m ago

Define poor?Is she starving to death? walking miles for water? Although I …Define poor?Is she starving to death? walking miles for water? Although I guess poverty is relative.There is an underclass in this country that will do nothing and expect help because it's "there right and what they're entitled to from the government" These people are simply written off as incapable of work and easier to ignore. She simply hasn't sat and let her husband do everything for for unless she got married aged 6 before she was taught to read and write.Not is a negative way but is she actually beyond help? If she is crippled with Arthritis then nobody will employ her and rightly so. Would employ somebody who can't read, write or follow basic instructions then will be off with ill heath. She needs to swallow her pride and go back to the delightful and friendly people at the job centre with a note from her doctor. If they refer her to a specialist for tests then she goes, if she doesn't then either there is nothing wrong with her, her pride has got in the way or she is in fact a lazy dole dosser who deserves nothing and will use any excuse to avoid the 38 hours a week the rest of us do to pay for the benefits, pensions, council tax, food in their kids bellies, clothes on their kids backs.




If you quit a job it's much harder to go back on JSA than if you get fired. I have been around these people my whole life, there is only one reason anyone gets fired day 1, they didn't want the job in the first place.

Isnt it strange how people are constantly "shocked" to see people in their own country suffering from poverty,poor health care,violence,poor working conditions etc etc etc

Ignorance is bliss in the UK. People simply dont care about their society and fellow man as can be seen when they continually vote for politicians that further erode the standard of living in the UK.

People crying crocodile tears......

Error4403 h, 34 m ago

Thats a tory lie, they counted disabled parents of school age children …Thats a tory lie, they counted disabled parents of school age children whom are living with pensioner grandparents nto come up with that BS


Whats a tory lie? Ive seen it with my own eyes... whole families dependant on benefits...

Flodd31 m ago

Whats a tory lie? Ive seen it with my own eyes... whole families dependant …Whats a tory lie? Ive seen it with my own eyes... whole families dependant on benefits...


The tory lie of generations of worklessness i think it was Shelter or someone who investigated the claims and found no such families unless counting those containing the disabled.

davewave3 h, 22 m ago

Have a nice day, not sure why you want to pick on me again, but hope you …Have a nice day, not sure why you want to pick on me again, but hope you aren't angry for long.


Not angry at all, you know why i cite you who often posts about immigrants and the like

hooray.henry1 h, 2 m ago

Isnt it strange how people are constantly "shocked" to see people in their …Isnt it strange how people are constantly "shocked" to see people in their own country suffering from poverty,poor health care,violence,poor working conditions etc etc etcIgnorance is bliss in the UK. People simply dont care about their society and fellow man as can be seen when they continually vote for politicians that further erode the standard of living in the UK.People crying crocodile tears......


They are only eroding the standards for the many, not the few

Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. There's a problem that needs addressing right there.

SJHan15 m ago

Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. …Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. There's a problem that needs addressing right there.


Dude there are 10'000s of people "earning" more on benefits than they would in the "world of work". work is for the stupid who don't know how to play the system. WE are paying Tesco/ASDA/Sainsbury's who employ people full time but they don't earn enough for the lifestyle they want. We pay billions and billions to people who work for cheap to support the private corporations. The whole ethos of the welfare state was that BOTH the employee and employer contribute, the corporations have been allowed to employ people part time and zero hour contracts so that the government can skew unemployment figures and tell you everything is getting better.

Error44036 m ago

The tory lie of generations of worklessness i think it was Shelter or …The tory lie of generations of worklessness i think it was Shelter or someone who investigated the claims and found no such families unless counting those containing the disabled.


I can count two from my close circle of acquaintances so they ain't looking very hard. I doubt it's something you'd fess up to given the media vilification of anybody claiming benefits.
SJHan17 m ago

Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. …Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. There's a problem that needs addressing right there.


It's certainly a concern but I doubt there's an easy answer.

Flodd5 m ago

I can count two from my close circle of acquaintances so they ain't …I can count two from my close circle of acquaintances so they ain't looking very hard. I doubt it's something you'd fess up to given the media vilification of anybody claiming benefits. It's certainly a concern but I doubt there's an easy answer.


So you know two families where no one has worked at all in several generations because thats what the tory claim was and it wasn't true, even the OPs example has worked 3 days at least

SJHan27 m ago

Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. …Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. There's a problem that needs addressing right there.


Raise wages then and stop having a race to the bottom, people already work and get top up benefits to get by because wages are too low.

Slightly off topic but i got my electric yearly summary, it claims I've used nearly 2,000kw less this year then last yet my end of year bill is projected to be nearly £200 more then previous year, both wages and benefits are not keeping up with living costs hence massive increase in foodbank use.

Error4401 h, 12 m ago

They are only eroding the standards for the many, not the few


immigrants and the like, what an odd phrase, whats wrong with them?
Error4401 h, 12 m ago

They are only eroding the standards for the many, not the few

Error4402 h, 41 m ago

Raise wages then and stop having a race to the bottom, people already work …Raise wages then and stop having a race to the bottom, people already work and get top up benefits to get by because wages are too low.Slightly off topic but i got my electric yearly summary, it claims I've used nearly 2,000kw less this year then last yet my end of year bill is projected to be nearly £200 more then previous year, both wages and benefits are not keeping up with living costs hence massive increase in foodbank use.

Would raising wages make people get off their lazy asses and find jobs then?

SJHan4 h, 24 m ago

Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. …Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. There's a problem that needs addressing right there.




And one which hasn't been mentioned in the OP. Quite irrelevant, really.
Edited by: "RossD89" 14th Aug 2017

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Graham19798 h, 1 m ago

Define poor?Is she starving to death? walking miles for water? Although I …Define poor?Is she starving to death? walking miles for water? Although I guess poverty is relative.There is an underclass in this country that will do nothing and expect help because it's "there right and what they're entitled to from the government" These people are simply written off as incapable of work and easier to ignore. She simply hasn't sat and let her husband do everything for for unless she got married aged 6 before she was taught to read and write.Not is a negative way but is she actually beyond help? If she is crippled with Arthritis then nobody will employ her and rightly so. Would employ somebody who can't read, write or follow basic instructions then will be off with ill heath. She needs to swallow her pride and go back to the delightful and friendly people at the job centre with a note from her doctor. If they refer her to a specialist for tests then she goes, if she doesn't then either there is nothing wrong with her, her pride has got in the way or she is in fact a lazy dole dosser who deserves nothing and will use any excuse to avoid the 38 hours a week the rest of us do to pay for the benefits, pensions, council tax, food in their kids bellies, clothes on their kids backs.


She is not starving but lives on poor food - cheap stuff from farm foods little fresh food. she is very proud, her kid is now grown up he works part time laboring.

You and I think alike I told her to the Drs you are not fir for work, she got a sick note, took it to those lovely ppl at the dole office - problem solved at last? NO. the very nice lady at the dole office said "you do not want to go on the sick, if you do that it will take 6 weeks to sort out your new benefit and for those 6 weeks you will get no money at all, your rent will not be paid and how will you eat?

So she has stayed on JSA, honest after an hour with her you can tell she is genuine she wants to work but can not.

Anyway the nice lady at the job center has found her a nice job that she really likes, 3 hours a week as a volunteer in a charity shop, so all is well she will never get paid work, as the manager of the charity shop said we give her more than we get, we have to supervise her all the time, her only skill is chatting and making tea, and no one is going to employ someone 39hrs per week to do that.

She is always worried about getting into trouble so the job center find it easy to manipulate her it really is discusting

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catbeans6 h, 45 m ago

If you quit a job it's much harder to go back on JSA than if you get …If you quit a job it's much harder to go back on JSA than if you get fired. I have been around these people my whole life, there is only one reason anyone gets fired day 1, they didn't want the job in the first place.


you are so wrong, each time it happend she is in floods of tears

Error4405 h, 16 m ago

The tory lie of generations of worklessness i think it was Shelter or …The tory lie of generations of worklessness i think it was Shelter or someone who investigated the claims and found no such families unless counting those containing the disabled.


Shelter should come to where I live I will introduce them to a fair few families.

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catbeans2 h, 14 m ago

Shelter should come to where I live I will introduce them to a fair few …Shelter should come to where I live I will introduce them to a fair few families.


there is no doubt that such people exist but there are many genuine who need help

miles1366 h, 44 m ago

there is no doubt that such people exist but there are many genuine who …there is no doubt that such people exist but there are many genuine who need help


Do you have proof? Because no one else does.

jrf.org.uk/rep…ons

Sounds like the woman you speak of is not unique
Edited by: "Segata-Sanshiro" 15th Aug 2017

catbeans10 h, 21 m ago

Shelter should come to where I live I will introduce them to a fair few …Shelter should come to where I live I will introduce them to a fair few families.



Error4401 h, 24 m ago

Do you have proof? Because no one else …Do you have proof? Because no one else does.https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/are-cultures-worklessness-passed-down-generationsSounds like the woman you speak of is not unique



Could you as you promised contact Shelter and Joseph Rowntree Foundation jrf.org.uk/rep…ons as suggested by Error and show them your fair few families. As their extensive researched had found none, your few could be be extremely valuable to their studies and cure of this social matter.
Then post here your results of contact with Shelter and JRF on these generations of worklessness as to whether these exist or not. I am pretty sure they would keep you informed as to whether your evidence is real or imaginary.
Three-generations typically means grandparents born around before and very soon after WW2.
Edited by: "splender" 15th Aug 2017

SJHan15 h, 29 m ago

Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. …Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. There's a problem that needs addressing right there.



Really? If you know of anyone I am sure the replacement to Ian Duncan-smith, IDS, would like to know these people, you can help to eliminate this possibility if any such people exist at all. This is because IDS had been reported to be too efficient, meaning even those who couldn't work were made to work and died as a result.

SJHan15 h, 29 m ago

Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. …Some people earn more on benefits than they would actually working. There's a problem that needs addressing right there.


I was shocked when I helped a lady out with her finances and realised she accumulated £16000.00 child tax credits ( 3 kids), roughly £2500 a month income support and disability etc. She has a 3 bed council property and her kids are chauffered to school and back.
The problem is that after looking at her paperwork and knowing her and the kids, I know 100% that only ONE of her children is disabled. She claims carers allowance but does no caring. Again I'm not assuming nothing these are facts. She very easily claimed benefits such as carers no questions asked.
Even though she is essentially filthy rich her kids don't benefit from this, they are actually neglected quite badly. But yes big problem if benefits are that easy to claim and can sustain you well above your needs. She will never work in her life and will become a homeowner very shortly in a fairly affluent area. Would you work?

splender3 m ago

Really? If you know of anyone I am sure the replacement to Ian …Really? If you know of anyone I am sure the replacement to Ian Duncan-smith, IDS, would like to know these people, you can help to eliminate this possibility if any such people exist at all. This is because IDS had been reported to be too efficient, meaning even those who couldn't work were made to work and died as a result.


That is where the unfairness is, genuine claimants get nowhere and the greedy people get bucket loads.

splender18 m ago

Could you as you promised contact Shelter and Joseph Rowntree Foundation …Could you as you promised contact Shelter and Joseph Rowntree Foundation https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/are-cultures-worklessness-passed-down-generations as suggested by Error and show them your fair few families. As their extensive researched had found none, your few could be be extremely valuable to their studies and cure of this social matter.Then post here your results of contact with Shelter and JRF on these generations of worklessness as to whether these exist or not. I am pretty sure they would keep you informed as to whether your evidence is real or imaginary.Three-generations typically means grandparents born around before and very soon after WW2.


I doubt he's asked if they have ever worked its also a case of what you define as work, I've had one paid job for about 5 or so years and I've had 2 work experience jobs and 4 volunteer charity jobs and I've been told before in interviews the work experience and charity work don't count as they are not "proper" jobs. But any research study would of course count them as they fulfill the requirements of being termed work.

zainarafiq4 m ago

That is where the unfairness is, genuine claimants get nowhere and the …That is where the unfairness is, genuine claimants get nowhere and the greedy people get bucket loads.


You mean IDS with his £47 breakfasts on expenses? Yes i agree.
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