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    Combi Boiler System Help - System been drained? on Repo house - Plumber costs?

    Ok the house I got is a repo and we got the gas meter reset other day and emergency gas as been put on meter.
    When I was making arrangements just before getting the keys Southern Elec told me there was a gas and elec supply to the house,Southern Water told me the water was still on too.
    Anyway we found the water mains tap in the house behind a wine rack and the water is working fine,in all taps and toilet system.
    After getting the elec and gas meters reset as they were in debt etc,this weekend we been trying get the boiler working which is a combi one. It appears to be working as my partner Step Dad,his Mum has got same boiler and he apprantly know how to set the system,however it appears to be empty like water drained from heaters and the combi boiler.

    There a card in boiler saying something about removing key before filling system contact a plumber before use.
    How much will a plumber be and is this a big job?

    His Mum is saying about a plumber she knows but I've warned him not to go getting anyone out as it's weekend and it cost more and we in no hurry,not moving in till mid next mth.
    I'll be going over myself Monday afternoon so could have someone out then if need be.

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    Seems strange the system has been drained, unless a radiator has been removed or something. Are you sure?
    Our combi boiler is a Worcester & has a gauge on the front of it which shows the pressure (about 1.5 bar). I know to top it up a bit, there's a small tap (the type like you see for washing machine connections) on the feed pipe into the boiler.
    Presumably you would just open this & bleed your radiaators.

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    BeeKeeper;5845539

    Seems strange the system has been drained, unless a radiator has been … Seems strange the system has been drained, unless a radiator has been removed or something. Are you sure?Our combi boiler is a Worcester & has a gauge on the front of it which shows the pressure (about 1.5 bar). I know to top it up a bit, there's a small tap (the type like you see for washing machine connections) on the feed pipe into the boiler.Presumably you would just open this & bleed your radiaators.



    I'm not what make the combi is and all heaters are in place.There is none of those taps about you talk of as I had a look in there other wk and I know the kind you mean.I didn't look into things further myself when over there last time as there was no gas or elec on meters.

    They say it's drained and on a card left saying about contacting a plumber,they do these things sometimes with repo homes.

    First you will need to check that the drainage outflow isn't open - then you just need to refill the system with water using the filing loop - then bleed the radiators. Shouldn't need a plumber to do this IMO.

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    moob;5845589

    First you will need to check that the drainage outflow isn't open - then … First you will need to check that the drainage outflow isn't open - then you just need to refill the system with water using the filing loop - then bleed the radiators. Shouldn't need a plumber to do this IMO.



    Ok,I'll phone him up now and explain to try this.

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    He still got no idea,I've told him to take a pic of the boiler and note anything else on it including what the key is for.

    It should be a straight forward job of re-filling via the filling loop, venting all rads and then refilliing the syatem up to about 1.5 bar as when you vent the rads the system pressure will drop again :thumbsup:

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    souljacker;5845736

    It should be a straight forward job of re-filling via the filling loop, … It should be a straight forward job of re-filling via the filling loop, venting all rads and then refilliing the syatem up to about 1.5 bar as when you vent the rads the system pressure will drop again :thumbsup:



    Yeh he no idea where this filling bit is at all,I've told him to take pics and then maybe someone can mark it where it should be or something.
    I will take a look Monday myself as I'm going over,I need hot water to wash and stuff in the house,this rate I be carrying an elec kettle over!

    Suppose if we don't sort it,it be something like £50 for a plumber to come out for 10mins!

    Mum2Connor&Cerys;5845775

    Yeh he no idea where this filling bit is at all,I've told him to take … Yeh he no idea where this filling bit is at all,I've told him to take pics and then maybe someone can mark it where it should be or something.I will take a look Monday myself as I'm going over,I need hot water to wash and stuff in the house,this rate I be carrying an elec kettle over!Suppose if we don't sort it,it be something like £50 for a plumber to come out for 10mins!



    If you find out what bolier model it is that might help, some have them built in, others are fitted externally on the pipework

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    on a repo i would be getting it checked out anyway, things people do in places like this is pretty unbelievable

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    souljacker;5845788

    If you find out what bolier model it is that might help, some have them … If you find out what bolier model it is that might help, some have them built in, others are fitted externally on the pipework



    He's left house for lunch now,I'll get him to look when he gets back in... what a polava it all is.

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    sassie;5845799

    on a repo i would be getting it checked out anyway, things people do in … on a repo i would be getting it checked out anyway, things people do in places like this is pretty unbelievable



    I was hoping the boiler be sorted this weekend as I was wanting to arrange a safety boiler check,was hoping to book in today for Monday as thats when I'm over next.

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    Mum2Connor&Cerys;5845825

    I was hoping the boiler be sorted this weekend as I was wanting to … I was hoping the boiler be sorted this weekend as I was wanting to arrange a safety boiler check,was hoping to book in today for Monday as thats when I'm over next.



    oh good on you, im glad to hear your getting it checked, as others have said most have a refil loop, post on here the boiler model and someone will help, best of luck to you and your family in your new home x

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    sassie;5845835

    oh good on you, im glad to hear your getting it checked, as others have … oh good on you, im glad to hear your getting it checked, as others have said most have a refil loop, post on here the boiler model and someone will help, best of luck to you and your family in your new home x



    Thanks,we'll get there eventually,just everything takes time.

    I'm going get the elec checked too,the fuse box as sticker on with date going back a while.
    I'm going contact local fire brigade too for advise on placing fire alarms.

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    It's a Worcester or Worchester or something,will update later tonight with pics of allt he bits on it.

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    Mum2Connor&Cerys;5845775

    Yeh he no idea where this filling bit is at all,I've told him to take … Yeh he no idea where this filling bit is at all,I've told him to take pics and then maybe someone can mark it where it should be or something.I will take a look Monday myself as I'm going over,I need hot water to wash and stuff in the house,this rate I be carrying an elec kettle over!Suppose if we don't sort it,it be something like £50 for a plumber to come out for 10mins!


    it'll be more than £50 to get a plumber out and fix it! :w00t:

    Get the model number then visit the Worcester Bosch website to get the manual - that will show you how to fill the system with water. As Souljacker said, fill the system to around 1.5 bar or whatever it says on the manual.

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    csiman;5846543

    it'll be more than £50 to get a plumber out and fix it! :w00t:



    Great ( not )

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    moob;5846546

    Get the model number then visit the Worcester Bosch website to get the … Get the model number then visit the Worcester Bosch website to get the manual - that will show you how to fill the system with water. As Souljacker said, fill the system to around 1.5 bar or whatever it says on the manual.



    Yeh I did have a look online and seen there is manual pdf formats etc about,but there various types,I'm hoping to figure out what model it is and try read up from there but will refer back to here aswell.

    It's a good job I've kept cash by for things instead laying down the lot as deposit if we can't sort it or something more is wrong,I kept open mind at beginning that something like a boiler would need replacing.

    Mum2Connor&Cerys;5845871

    It's a Worcester or Worchester or something,will update later tonight … It's a Worcester or Worchester or something,will update later tonight with pics of allt he bits on it.



    Did you say if it was gas or oil?

    If it's a worcester heatslave the filling loop could be anywhere as they are not built in as part of the boiler.

    Anyway if you get a pic up, we might be able to point it out to you :thumbsup:

    Mum2Connor&Cerys;5846837

    Yeh I did have a look online and seen there is manual pdf formats etc … Yeh I did have a look online and seen there is manual pdf formats etc about,but there various types,I'm hoping to figure out what model it is and try read up from there but will refer back to here aswell.It's a good job I've kept cash by for things instead laying down the lot as deposit if we can't sort it or something more is wrong,I kept open mind at beginning that something like a boiler would need replacing.



    Another you should do if you can is contact the vendor and ask them why the system was drained in the first place, pretty sure they have to inform you if there's anything majorly wrong in a house when they sell it on - having no hot water provision essentially makes the house 'below tolerable standard' meaning the property could have a closing order put on it.

    I doubt they can therefore do this - check your contract.

    Another thing, the model number for the boiler should be under the cover at the front.

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    moob;5847047

    Another you should do if you can is contact the vendor and ask them why … Another you should do if you can is contact the vendor and ask them why the system was drained in the first place, pretty sure they have to inform you if there's anything majorly wrong in a house when they sell it on - having no hot water provision essentially makes the house 'below tolerable standard' meaning the property could have a closing order put on it. I doubt they can therefore do this - check your contract.Another thing, the model number for the boiler should be under the cover at the front.


    it was a repossesion although I thought the surveyor should have brought this up in the survey

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    souljacker;5847045

    Did you say if it was gas or oil?If it's a worcester heatslave the … Did you say if it was gas or oil?If it's a worcester heatslave the filling loop could be anywhere as they are not built in as part of the boiler.Anyway if you get a pic up, we might be able to point it out to you :thumbsup:



    I got some pics,but I thought he took digital camera and he did not,they only mobile phone pics,so probably going be grainy.

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    moob;5847047

    Another you should do if you can is contact the vendor and ask them why … Another you should do if you can is contact the vendor and ask them why the system was drained in the first place, pretty sure they have to inform you if there's anything majorly wrong in a house when they sell it on - having no hot water provision essentially makes the house 'below tolerable standard' meaning the property could have a closing order put on it. I doubt they can therefore do this - check your contract.Another thing, the model number for the boiler should be under the cover at the front.



    I see the model number now on pic but can't make it out other than its a Greenstar # Junior,I said to him while at house can he see a name and he says no!

    Well when I had papers from solicitors,they said the vendor is sellling the house as is and can't answer any questions relating to the property.

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    csiman;5847150

    it was a repossesion although I thought the surveyor should have brought … it was a repossesion although I thought the surveyor should have brought this up in the survey



    Nothing wrong brought up in the survey regarding boiler and nothing else come up bad in survey either,it was done and the property deemed lendable on.

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    http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/darrenkelly/DSC00160.jpg

    he says the dial on the right the marker is at blue and not on the red.

    No other lights will come on the boiler.

    Worcester Greenstar ??? Junior - possibly could be 24i

    He is going over tomorrow and will get the rest of the model as can't make out from silly mobile pics.

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    if its got a filling loop it will be on the pipework

    The water pressure looks ok on that, that boiler has a built in filling loop which you open by using a key, underneath i think it is.

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    http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/darrenkelly/DSC00171.jpg

    this appears to be some sort of key,it says on a sticker put on there,contact a qualified plumber due to the water being drained.

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    To refill the boiler before moving the key he is going on about that its being mentioned to do that.Is it safe for us to do that? Oh I'm damn lost with it all.

    Yeah that is the key to fill the system, that note might have been left there from a previous time when it was drained?

    The only thing you need to make sure is there are no raditors off or open ends, but there shouldn't be.

    as i said the pressure in the boiler looks ok going by the pressure gauge

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    souljacker;5848007

    Yeah that is the key to fill the system, that note might have been left … Yeah that is the key to fill the system, that note might have been left there from a previous time when it was drained?The only thing you need to make sure is there are no raditors off or open ends, but there shouldn't be.as i said the pressure in the boler looks ok going by the pressure gauge



    Damn ,yeh sounds stupid but how does the water go in there if it's underneath where we take key out? Like how do we fill it with water,I'm still confused.

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    Also how can we check the heaters that they off,I only know about turning the knob at side from 0-5 for temperature,do you mean all turn to 0?

    csiman;5847150

    it was a repossesion although I thought the surveyor should have brought … it was a repossesion although I thought the surveyor should have brought this up in the survey



    Mate, you know the majority of surveyors don't even leave their cars when they do a survey, don't ya?

    Regardless, the operation of a boiler isn't something a surveyor is qualified to give info on.

    OP - the water goes into the boiler through pipework that's installed directly into the boiler from the mains water supply - the key only allows you to open the valve to allow the water into the boiler. It's not on all the time because if it was, your boiler would explode as there's too much (water) pressure.

    Your boiler is a Worcester Bosch 24i Junior.

    Make sure the switch on the boiler is set to 'heating and hot water' so the radiators work.

    To check if the radiators are working, you would need to open them up fully - i.e. turn them onto 5 the hottest setting and fire up the boiler - assuming the pressure on the boiler is actually ok - I can't make it out from that picture, but it should be at least 1-2.5 bar max for this boiler. This would also be dependent on if there is a room thermostat - a wee dial like device on the wall that has various temperatures on it - if there is one of them, turn it up as hot as it will go, as it will only get the water hot if it exceeds the room temperature.

    You can download the manual for the boiler ]here.

    I won't be at my pc for the rest of the night - hopefully that info will help you enough - will maybe check when I'm downstairs on my mobile. Good luck.

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    moob;5848194

    OP - the water goes into the boiler through pipework that's installed … OP - the water goes into the boiler through pipework that's installed directly into the boiler from the mains water supply - the key only allows you to open the valve to allow the water into the boiler. It's not on all the time because if it was, your boiler would explode as there's too much (water) pressure.Your boiler is a Worcester Bosch 24i Junior.Make sure the switch on the boiler is set to 'heating and hot water' so the radiators work.To check if the radiators are working, you would need to open them up fully - i.e. turn them onto 5 the hottest setting and fire up the boiler - assuming the pressure on the boiler is actually ok - I can't make it out from that picture, but it should be at least 1-2.5 bar max for this boiler. This would also be dependent on if there is a room thermostat - a wee dial like device on the wall that has various temperatures on it - if there is one of them, turn it up as hot as it will go, as it will only get the water hot if it exceeds the room temperature.You can download the manual for the boiler ]here.I won't be at my pc for the rest of the night - hopefully that info will help you enough - will maybe check when I'm downstairs on my mobile. Good luck.




    Thanks,do I need to replace the key back in once it's took out and filled up or whatever?

    I know the dial you mean about room temperature,they usually go upto 30maximum.

    Yeh well we can't do anything tonight,my partner will be off over there tomorrow now and he have another look,thanks for link.

    Will post back up tomorrow about it,hopefully it's on,it's really holding things up,always something!

    Mum2Connor&Cerys;5848240

    Thanks,do I need to replace the key back in once it's took out and filled … Thanks,do I need to replace the key back in once it's took out and filled up or whatever?I know the dial you mean about room temperature,they usually go upto 30maximum.Yeh well we can't do anything tonight,my partner will be off over there tomorrow now and he have another look,thanks for link. Will post back up tomorrow about it,hopefully it's on,it's really holding things up,always something!



    Yeah, turn the key back into position once it's filled - if it needs it!

    Will keep an eye on this thread for tomorrow. Have a good one.

    moob;5848194

    OP - the water goes into the boiler through pipework that's installed … OP - the water goes into the boiler through pipework that's installed directly into the boiler from the mains water supply - the key only allows you to open the valve to allow the water into the boiler. It's not on all the time because if it was, your boiler would explode as there's too much (water) pressure.



    Saying the boiler would explode is a bit dramatic! :?

    If the tap was left permanently open the water would just be released out of the boiler via the pressure releif valve which activates at 3 bar.

    Lets not try to worry the op :thumbsup:

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    moob;5848262

    Yeah, turn the key back into position once it's filled - if it needs … Yeah, turn the key back into position once it's filled - if it needs it!Will keep an eye on this thread for tomorrow. Have a good one.



    Thanks.

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    Does the key have to come away completely once this been done,like take it out and leave it out ?

    Mum2Connor&Cerys;5848425

    Does the key have to come away completely once this been done,like take … Does the key have to come away completely once this been done,like take it out and leave it out ?



    it doesnt have to come out, just make sure you have tuned it back to where it was
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