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    Computer networking help PLEASE!!!

    Anyone know about networking, please give me some advice!
    I'm running virgin broadband through a modem connected from the set top box to my PC, my PC has now bittten the dust & I need to network my new PC + 2 more PCs + 2 Xbox 360s.
    In my old PC I had the broadband connected through a usb adapter & 4 network cards going to the other 2 PCs + 2 XBoxs, I know this is probably a crazy way to have done it but I didn't know how else.
    Bottom line is I now have all the wired connections ready to reconnect, but my new PC only has 1 ethernet connection & I'm totally confused about the router/ethernet switch/hub idea.
    Anyone help me out here, basically I just want the cheapest way of connecting the 3 PCS + 2 XBoxs up.
    Many thanks!!!!

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    If you are still connected via USB for broadband and were using Internet Connection Sharing previously then I'd recommend picking up a cheap 8 port network switch. You'd plug this into your PC then any device plugged into the switch will be able to connect to your PC or any other device on the network.

    John

    If you would consider getting a router, you would only need a cheap wired router. I cannot comment on your current setup because i dont understand it at all, but i can explain a router setup to you:

    Think of a router as a roundabout - all roads off this roundabout lead to different towns (i.e a PC, and Xbox 360, another PC etc...) except for one which leads to the modem, and the modem connects everything to the outside world. The router sort of acts as a splitter that allows you to connect everything to the modem, but also allows the devices connected to the router to communicate with one another (i.e you could travel from one town to another via the roundabout, which is like two pcs communicating with one another to share home movies for example via the router).

    Confused?

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    Andysan;1412149

    If you would consider getting a router, you would only need a cheap wired … If you would consider getting a router, you would only need a cheap wired router. I cannot comment on your current setup because i dont understand it at all, but i can explain a router setup to you:Think of a router as a roundabout - all roads off this roundabout lead to different towns (i.e a PC, and Xbox 360, another PC etc...) except for one which leads to the modem, and the modem connects everything to the outside world. The router sort of acts as a splitter that allows you to connect everything to the modem, but also allows the devices connected to the router to communicate with one another (i.e you could travel from one town to another via the roundabout, which is like two pcs communicating with one another to share home movies for example via the router).Confused?


    Thanks Andysan, so basically I plug the ethernet from my cable modem and the 3 pcs + 2 xboxs all into the router? Does it configure itself??! Is it hard to set up?

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    Johnmcl7;1412128

    If you are still connected via USB for broadband and were using Internet … If you are still connected via USB for broadband and were using Internet Connection Sharing previously then I'd recommend picking up a cheap 8 port network switch. You'd plug this into your PC then any device plugged into the switch will be able to connect to your PC or any other device on the network.John


    Thanks John, how does the switch connect to the PC, is that thru the ethernet port? sorry if I'm being slow here?

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    Andysan;1412149

    Think of a router as a roundabout - all roads off this roundabout lead to … Think of a router as a roundabout - all roads off this roundabout lead to different towns (i.e a PC, and Xbox 360, another PC etc...) except for one which leads to the modem, and the modem connects everything to the outside world. The router sort of acts as a splitter that allows you to connect everything to the modem, but also allows the devices connected to the router to communicate with one another (i.e you could travel from one town to another via the roundabout, which is like two pcs communicating with one another to share home movies for example via the router).



    Quite a good analogy that :-D

    just call up virgin and say its all gone tits up!
    when the repair man comes out to you (usually in 3 days max ) big him up and give him tea coffee etc then................................
    get him to sort your problem out:thumbsup:

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    fozey;1412178

    just call up virgin and say its all gone tits up!when the repair man … just call up virgin and say its all gone tits up!when the repair man comes out to you (usually in 3 days max ) big him up and give him tea coffee etc then................................ get him to sort your problem out:thumbsup:


    Um.... thanks Fozey, but I've just got a load of ethernet cables lying on the floor with nothing to connect them to at the moment...could be tricky:?

    cycleman;1412170

    Thanks John, how does the switch connect to the PC, is that thru the … Thanks John, how does the switch connect to the PC, is that thru the ethernet port? sorry if I'm being slow here?


    That's exactly - the switch functions much like a multi-way plug extension, you plug one part into the network port of your PC and then other network devices can plug into the ports on the switch.

    However if you have an ethernet rather than USB connection for your broadband I very much agree with the recommendation of a router - these are not expensive these days and it means that any of your devices can access the internet without your PC needing to be powered up.

    John

    fozey;1412178

    just call up virgin and say its all gone tits up!when the repair man … just call up virgin and say its all gone tits up!when the repair man comes out to you (usually in 3 days max ) big him up and give him tea coffee etc then................................ get him to sort your problem out:thumbsup:



    and he'll turn round and say it's not on his job sheet.:whistling:

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    Johnmcl7;1412215

    That's exactly - the switch functions much like a multi-way plug … That's exactly - the switch functions much like a multi-way plug extension, you plug one part into the network port of your PC and then other network devices can plug into the ports on the switch.However if you have an ethernet rather than USB connection for your broadband I very much agree with the recommendation of a router - these are not expensive these days and it means that any of your devices can access the internet without your PC needing to be powered up.John


    OK, I'm using the USB adapter but can easily use it as an ethernet connection (from the modem), so a router would seem the best bet? I assume I'd need a 6 port one, any idea where I can get one at a good price. Oh and one more thing do I have to get a special 'cable' router as I'm with Virgin? seem to remember this being said somewhere?
    Thanks again everyone:thumbsup:

    You don't need a special cable router although what you are looking for is generally referred to as an adsl/cable router - the cable modem plugs into the internet/wan port of the router and then the other devices plug into the switch ports on the back of the router. You don't need six ports on the router itself, you can buy a cheap network switch to extend the capacity of your router even if you only have a single port on the router.

    I'm not sure what the current scenario with Virgin is, with Telewest cable they used to lock the cable modem to a single MAC address (which could be bypassed by spoofing this address on the router).

    John

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    Johnmcl7;1412244

    You don't need a special cable router although what you are looking for … You don't need a special cable router although what you are looking for is generally referred to as an adsl/cable router - the cable modem plugs into the internet/wan port of the router and then the other devices plug into the switch ports on the back of the router. You don't need six ports on the router itself, you can buy a cheap network switch to extend the capacity of your router even if you only have a single port on the router.I'm not sure what the current scenario with Virgin is, with Telewest cable they used to lock the cable modem to a single MAC address (which could be bypassed by spoofing this address on the router).John



    Thanks John, I think I've got the idea, but could I have a problem with Virgin locking to one address?

    I don't think they do this anymore, Telewest stopped it before Virgin took over - it's worth double checking though.

    John

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    Johnmcl7;1412332

    I don't think they do this anymore, Telewest stopped it before Virgin … I don't think they do this anymore, Telewest stopped it before Virgin took over - it's worth double checking though.John


    Would this one do me
    pcworld.co.uk/mar…id=

    Johnmcl7;1412244

    You don't need a special cable router although what you are looking for … You don't need a special cable router although what you are looking for is generally referred to as an adsl/cable router - the cable modem plugs into the internet/wan port of the router and then the other devices plug into the switch ports on the back of the router. You don't need six ports on the router itself, you can buy a cheap network switch to extend the capacity of your router even if you only have a single port on the router.I'm not sure what the current scenario with Virgin is, with Telewest cable they used to lock the cable modem to a single MAC address (which could be bypassed by spoofing this address on the router).John




    FYI Virgin do not lock the cable modem to a MAC address.

    cycleman;1412362

    Would this one do … Would this one do mehttp://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/[email protected]@@@[email protected]@@@&BV_EngineID=ccfdaddmmfjjgdfcflgceggdhhmdgmk.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=350189&category_oid=


    No, that's a basic switch rather than a router - to use that you would need to attach it to a router to extend the number of devices that could connect to the network. Also unless you're doing a lot of file transfers within the network and your devices all support gigabit, I'd stick with a 100Mb/s switch.

    John

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    Johnmcl7;1412429

    No, that's a basic switch rather than a router - to use that you would … No, that's a basic switch rather than a router - to use that you would need to attach it to a router to extend the number of devices that could connect to the network. Also unless you're doing a lot of file transfers within the network and your devices all support gigabit, I'd stick with a 100Mb/s switch.John



    OK John I'll keep looking, many thanks again for your advice and help.

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    stora;1412367

    FYI Virgin do not lock the cable modem to a MAC address.



    Thanks Stora

    cycleman;1412440

    OK John I'll keep looking, many thanks again for your advice and help.


    If you have a look for product code 941720 on the PC World site, that's more what you're looking for. (that's just an example, picked the first one off the list - not recommending this one or anything)

    John

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    Johnmcl7;1412471

    If you have a look for product code 941720 on the PC World site, that's … If you have a look for product code 941720 on the PC World site, that's more what you're looking for. (that's just an example, picked the first one off the list - not recommending this one or anything)John


    Thanks John, I'd need a switch with this as well wouldn't I, also what about this one!

    play.com/PC/…e=0

    Yes, you would need a switch although an 100Mb/s one will do fine.

    I haven't heard of the manufacturer of that router but on the other hand wired routers don't need to be that fancy compared to wireless routers where the quality can be a lot more important in getting a good signal. I've bought cheap no-name brand ones before and they worked fine.

    John

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    Johnmcl7;1412128

    If you are still connected via USB for broadband and were using Internet … If you are still connected via USB for broadband and were using Internet Connection Sharing previously then I'd recommend picking up a cheap 8 port network switch. You'd plug this into your PC then any device plugged into the switch will be able to connect to your PC or any other device on the network.John



    doesnt this way mean you'll heave to leave your pc on 24/7? Just get a cheap router that can take at least 5 output ports plus the modem input. Easy to connect up in most cases.

    cycleman;1412362

    Would this one do … Would this one do mehttp://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/[email protected]@@@[email protected]@@@&BV_EngineID=ccfdaddmmfjjgdfcflgceggdhhmdgmk.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=350189&category_oid=



    No thats just a switch

    get one of these

    pcworld.co.uk/mar…id=

    Product code: 941720

    or for the same money get a wirelress router so you have the option to go wireless when you want to / need to

    pcworld.co.uk/mar…361

    Product code: 992540

    hth

    EliTom

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    Just a big thank you to everyone for all the help, got myself a 4 port router + switch as I had 5 connections, hooked it all up and after a bit of fiddling everything firing!!, cost about £50 all in, is that good?:thumbsup:

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    Right....seems I might have spoken a bit too soon, I've got all the connections working but they seem to be cutting in & out, anyone got any ideas?:?

    csiman;1413199

    doesnt this way mean you'll heave to leave your pc on 24/7? Just get a … doesnt this way mean you'll heave to leave your pc on 24/7? Just get a cheap router that can take at least 5 output ports plus the modem input. Easy to connect up in most cases.



    You're a bit behind

    John
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