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    Can someone please list all the parts i will need for it to work

    Ive got a computer case and hdd!

    Cheers

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    first things first do you know the type of case.

    Atx
    matx?

    and type of harddisk?

    sata or ide?

    Original Poster

    its an ATX

    it'll be ide i think

    motherboard, processor , ram, dvd writer, probably a new psu are the absolute minimum

    motherboard, cpu, cooler and fan, psu, memory, video card if motherboard has no on-board video
    keyboard mouse dvd burner, ide cables

    if its an ide their will be lots of pins to connect the lead, sata has a j looking input connection. (they are some with both lol)

    what type of computer are you looking to build,

    just i've learnt from mistakes and i'm happy to pass on what i've learnt.

    Original Poster

    antony4462;4387721

    if its an ide their will be lots of pins to connect the lead, sata has a … if its an ide their will be lots of pins to connect the lead, sata has a j looking input connection. (they are some with both lol)what type of computer are you looking to build,just i've learnt from mistakes and i'm happy to pass on what i've learnt.



    just checked it now and its definatly an IDE.

    Erm one with a lot of hard drive space cos i download a lot and my laptops finding it a bit difficult to keep up with it all so i thought id get a basic desktop.

    Id play a few games on it probably but not high end stuff, sister will want to play sims 3 on it when its out lol

    Thats about it really, thanks for your help

    Original Poster

    so if i start looking round for parts now. Do any of the parts need to be the same or in conjunction with one another so that they work?

    Make sure your Mobo supports IDE so its compitible for your hard drives... although you may wish to go for a sata system as they are more common now, and perform much quicker than the conventional IDE

    P.S - I think you should research a bit more before you commit to building your own desktop there are many good websites that will help you out, and im sure once you have a better idea of what you want then more people will help you, ill subscribe to this thread so i can help you if you need it...

    budget would help,

    your looking for atx motherboards, need to decide which processor to go on in terms of socket to co-inside with the motherboard.

    i would recommend a 775 socket processor as they a really common and easy to find second hand or brandnew when buying you need to find out if heatsink and fan are included.

    Their are motherboards have onboard graphics that will play fairly modern games( If you want to play better games you could buy a graphics card later). Also have onboard sound ect. most motherboards come with one as standard ide slot capable of running one harddisk (the one you have) and a cd drive)

    For more harddisk space if you need it (not sure what size the ide drive is that you have). i'd recommend buying sata drives as they are faster.

    once you've got the motherboard sorted.

    Memory (see what memory your motherboad supports) 1gb min 2gb max needed (no program utilises more that 2gb of memory and standard windows 32 bit edition cant use more that 2gb)

    powersupplys i only have bought cheap powersupplys 650w minimum when buying cheap with sata connecters and pci-e connecters.

    leads.

    ide
    vga leads for monitor
    sata leads

    if their is anything i've missed i'll reread. but anyone else feel free to state

    Original Poster

    its 120GB hdd, so i could either get another IDE hdd or do you think i should opt for the SATA? Although obviously they are going to be more expensive.

    i want my budget to be relatively low. Not fussed about 2nd hand etc, thats the reason i asked you guys what i would need so that i could get looking on scan, ebay and posting wants on here as im good with computers but not too sure when it comes to building them.

    so IDE drives, i assume different types of motherboards will connect a different amount of hdd's. is that correct? i think i may stick to IDE drives as im really not fussed about speed etc, just as long as it works! so what do i need to look for in a motherboard?

    antony4462;4388443

    budget would help, your looking for atx motherboards, need to decide … budget would help, your looking for atx motherboards, need to decide which processor to go on in terms of socket to co-inside with the motherboard.i would recommend a 775 socket processor as they a really common and easy to find second hand or brandnew when buying you need to find out if heatsink and fan are included.Their are motherboards have onboard graphics that will play fairly modern games( If you want to play better games you could buy a graphics card later). Also have onboard sound ect. most motherboards come with one as standard ide slot capable of running one harddisk (the one you have) and a cd drive)For more harddisk space if you need it (not sure what size the ide drive is that you have). i'd recommend buying sata drives as they are faster.once you've got the motherboard sorted.Memory (see what memory your motherboad supports) 1gb min 2gb max needed (no program utilises more that 2gb of memory and standard windows 32 bit edition cant use more that 2gb)powersupplys i only have bought cheap powersupplys 650w minimum when buying cheap with sata connecters and pci-e connecters.leads.idevga leads for monitorsata leadsif their is anything i've missed i'll reread. but anyone else feel free to state



    Mind a power lead for psu lol. :thumbsup:

    deadduck_145;4388642

    its 120GB hdd, so i could either get another IDE hdd or do you think i … its 120GB hdd, so i could either get another IDE hdd or do you think i should opt for the SATA? Although obviously they are going to be more expensive. i want my budget to be relatively low. Not fussed about 2nd hand etc, thats the reason i asked you guys what i would need so that i could get looking on scan, ebay and posting wants on here as im good with computers but not too sure when it comes to building them.so IDE drives, i assume different types of motherboards will connect a different amount of hdd's. is that correct? i think i may stick to IDE drives as im really not fussed about speed etc, just as long as it works! so what do i need to look for in a motherboard?



    IDE drives (or more correctly, PATA drives because IDE applies to SATA too) are NOT slower than SATA drives. PATA is an interface and is a slower interface than SATA. However, the drive transfer speeds are slower than the maximum throughput of PATA or SATA interfaces. So given A being the speed of the drive and B is the speed of a PATA interface and C is the speed of a SATA interface then:

    A
    which means the data throughput from the drive uses the slowest speed. SATA do have the advantage in allowing you to connect drives that are faster than PATA without being limited to PATA speeds (such as solid state drives). Furthermore, SATA cables are thinner, less prone to interference and their physical qualities provides better air flow within the system.

    The reason why SATA drives are also classified as IDE is that they encompass integrated drive electronics; that is IDE.

    If you connect 2 PATA drives to one interface you will need to select one as Master and the other as Slave via jumper settings on the drive or using cable select within the BIOS. SATA drives do not require these settings because only one drive connects to one interface.

    You mentioned PSUs earlier. Cheap PSUs cannot sustain the quoted wattage - they are achieved in bursts which is not healthy for your equipment. Furthermore, lack of Power Correction Factor will shorten the life of your components. Also they are generally inefficient with a lot of energy wasted as heat - an efficient PSU would waste less than 20% of heat. As the PSU is the workhorse of the whole system it really would be prudent to allocate a little more of your budget to a higher quality PSU.

    sorry realize it looks complicated so ill break it down.

    Processor (cpu)

    intel socket 775
    heatsink+fan (if a buying new retail means ones included)

    Motherboard

    compatable with intel socket 775 processor

    compatible with memory ddr2 (most common and cheap, stay away from ddr1 too slow)

    try getting onboard graphics, not seen any without onboard sound, eithernet but check.

    A bonus for you would be if it had 2 ide ports one for your hard disks one for more than one cd drive.

    memory[

    check the motherboards compatiblity for type.

    no less than 1gb no more than 2gb needed.

    would keep to 667 hz ddr2 memory. built a system with 800hz which needed motherboard voltages to be adjusted.

    harddisk

    size: you seem to have so thought on this..... i buy 250gb but personnal prefrance applys.
    you have ide
    new motherboards have sata as standard

    cd drive

    make sure it is compatible with cd's and dvds. if you want to but files on dvds/cds same applys and consider if you need two, if so you need to make sure you buy a sata drive or have enough ide slots on your motherboard.

    keyboard

    ps2 or usb. I use usb put ps2 would be easy when instaling an operating system.

    mouse

    usb.

    to connect to the internet i would recomment a router hardwired,

    these are purelly recommendations they are web sites so help a simple google search would help, but if anyone knows of a usful one please place here as i dont know any.

    just buy a cheap cpu

    all of what i've typed are easy to find and common lots are selling them and prices are cheap. obiously the bigger and faster the more expensive.

    spend wisley on the motherboard i'll look now to find one that supports all what ive said

    alot of socket 775 motherboards support single core cheap processors (i would recommend nothing smaller than 3ghz*). dual core. core2 duo some reasonablly priced and core2 quad 130 pound +

    Meaning for single core processors i.e celron and pentium 4

    done a search on pricerunner

    pricerunner.co.uk/cl/…0=1

    now i've only filtered onboard graphics socket 775 atx and onboard sound, i would use this list to buy possible second hand if 60 pounds is too expensive.

    If buying from ebay make sure you only buy tested as untested definatley means its not working.

    Original Poster

    dcx_badass;4389599

    May aswell start from scratch and buy a cheap pre-built one if all you … May aswell start from scratch and buy a cheap pre-built one if all you have is the case and hard drive!



    id say that is starting from scratch! :whistling:

    arctic silver

    cables

    fans

    yes make sure you have thermal paste to bond your processor to your heat sink.

    I think with both large posts i've covered most things, hope it has helped

    Banned

    A sound card if youre into multimedia stuff...

    Of course you don't have to go for Intel and you certainly don't have to go for 3 ghz or higher. AMD are fine for what you want and although they are not as fast as Intels they are cheaper.

    Original Poster

    DaveTaylor;4395096

    Of course you don't have to go for Intel and you certainly don't have to … Of course you don't have to go for Intel and you certainly don't have to go for 3 ghz or higher. AMD are fine for what you want and although they are not as fast as Intels they are cheaper.



    i agree, my family desktop that im on now is AMD and its perfect for what i want.

    deadduck_145;4398396

    i agree, my family desktop that im on now is AMD and its perfect for what … i agree, my family desktop that im on now is AMD and its perfect for what i want.



    It is quite evident that the OP is on a specific budget and has no requirements for high end equipment so I also question the recommendation of 3Ghz+ Core 2 processors(despite the fact that nowadays, the clock speed is not the yardstick for CPU performance). I am sure AMD processors will be up to the job. Pound for pound they may not match Core 2's for value (except for the Phenom 2s which blow the Core 2's out of the water but at a price) but if the extra performance is not required then by all means go for a cheaper AMD x2 (which require socket AM2 boards and not socket 775). It's much akin to choosing a GL version of a car as opposed to a GTI. The GTI may be a little bit more expensive (and better value) but if the performance is not required then the GL model will suffice. Another advantage of socket AM2 boards is that they can be used for the very latest AMD processors (the Phenom 2, albeit AM3 boards will take advantage of the extra features) whereas Socket 775 boards are not all compatible with the latest Intel processors (Core i7).

    Somebody mentioned thermal paste but this is not usually required if purchasing retail versions of CPUs (both Intel and AMD) since the supplied fan/heatsink include thermal paste. If upgrading the heatsink and fan then thermal paste may be required but I am clear in my mind that the OP does not require a heatsink and fan upgrade and even if this is required, almost all heatsinks and fans are supplied with thermal paste.

    In order to reduce the costs it is prudent to choose a board with onboard graphics and sound. Most boards include onboard sound capable of multi channel sound and a few include onboard graphics with the added bonus that the graphics may be capable of supporting HDCP encoded video (such as blu ray films).

    With regards to RAM, there are programs that do utilise more than 2 GB RAM, for example, TV viewing software that buffers to RAM and Windows 32 bit does use more than 2 GB of RAM despite what you have been told. RAM is so cheap at the moment that if you do have money left over then you may want to spend a little extra on RAM - it will certainly help when running multiple applications. DDR1 RAM has been vetoed earlier in this thread but it won't work anyway. Furthermore, DDR2 667 has been recommended above DDR2 800 RAM due to BIOS settings. In actual fact, the settings are not diificult to implement and even if settings are not required, the price difference between DDR2 667 and DD2 800 is negligible (in some case the faster DDR2 800 is cheaper).
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