Concerned about the government's proposed vehicle tracking & road pricing policy?

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Found 12th Jan 2007
I suggest everyone takes serious note of this and signs the petition.


Road Tax - Important, please read

Subject: UK Road Tax

Sign and pass it on. It only takes a minute.

The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to
purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it.
The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC,
the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver
non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month.
On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will
now where you are at all times.
They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally
creep over a speed limit you can expect a NIP with your monthly bill.
If you care about your freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the
car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website.

petitions.pm.gov.uk/tra…ax/


Please pass this on to anyone who owns a car/motorcycle. It affects them.


Paladine

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Duly signed. Must be done before 20/02/2007.

Signed and sent!! :thumbsup:

wish I could sign one in favour of this, at the end of the day something has to be done to protect the environment and those who pump out most CO need to be taxed.

I love the bit on the end suggesting you might get speeding tickets in the post, its a blatant attempt to cause unrest and get people to sign up this does not even form part of the bill.

As for the mum who would pay £86, if she's anything like the ones around here who do a one mile round trip in the biggest 4x4 gas guzzler you can imagine I can only say they should double the fee for any road within a mile of a school (would keep the kids safe with quiet roads!).

Its pay as you go for the damage you cause to the environment and quite right as far as I'm concerned.

at the end of the day something has to be done to protect the … at the end of the day something has to be done to protect the environment and those who pump out most CO need to be taxed

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Those with more polluting cars are already paying more tax by Road Tax and at pumps.
So all this environmental thingy is (excuse me) - rubbish. Government want it simply because it will generate more money for our beloved 'civil servants'.

Also, on environmentalist note. Do you know how much it'll cost to offset CO2 pollution for someone who is driving 4.0 petrol gas-guzzler and make more that 50Kmiles/year? A whopping £ 134.68/year, according to CarbonNeutral. Which is easily offset by extra tax such person would be paying through Road Tax and Fuel Tax.
And how much money guv will generate from their PAYG scheme? Don't tell me it isn't about money.

kudos1uk

wish I could sign one in favour of this, at the end of the day something … wish I could sign one in favour of this, at the end of the day something has to be done to protect the environment and those who pump out most CO need to be taxed. I love the bit on the end suggesting you might get speeding tickets in the post, its a blatant attempt to cause unrest and get people to sign up this does not even form part of the bill.As for the mum who would pay £86, if she's anything like the ones around here who do a one mile round trip in the biggest 4x4 gas guzzler you can imagine I can only say they should double the fee for any road within a mile of a school (would keep the kids safe with quiet roads!).Its pay as you go for the damage you cause to the environment and quite right as far as I'm concerned.



In theory I agree with you, but do you honestly believe the extra money raised would go into tackling climate change? If all the additional tax revenue gained from motorists the past 10 years had gone into improving public transport there'd actually be a viable alternative to car usage for many journeys, that's the best way of cutting CO2 emissions.

Blair and Brown need extra money to fund the expense of crawling up Dubya's a***, and from hosting the Olympics (which I'm 100% sure will run heavily overbudget, Wembley-style) and have decided to go for the easy target again.

Agree with the point on lazy parents though, there's a woman in my street who drives her son to school the same time I leave for work, the school is no more than 3 or 4 minutes walk away.

im on the fence on this, yeah i agree that something should be done, but i feel that all this should come down to your situation.... people who drive big gas guzzlers shld may more....
here i am driving a 1litre car....
i'd take public transport if i could i bloody well hate driving, but its 3 buses, from north london to hatfield, in hertfordshire taking around 2 hours and costing £10 per day....
we carpool in order to cut down our costs, i take the car, pick up 4 friends on the way and make our way down to uni... i feel that people that carpool should receive some sort of allowance...

Banned

I have signed

My childrens school is 5 miles away therefore i have to drive them and come september i will have 3 different places to pick up and drop off which will increase petrol costs so could do without anything extra on top of that!

no petition willl work"opinion"

road pricing will crush people wages will have to go up so will prices like a visious circle we call our economy!

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sheps

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/10/ntravel10.xml If you want to sign the petition...http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax



See this thread Sheps:

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Paladine

sorry i started another thread i never seen this one.

Paladine

See this thread … See this thread Sheps:http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42877Paladine




sorry never seen your thread

kudos1uk

wish I could sign one in favour of this, at the end of the day something … wish I could sign one in favour of this, at the end of the day something has to be done to protect the environment and those who pump out most CO need to be taxed. I love the bit on the end suggesting you might get speeding tickets in the post, its a blatant attempt to cause unrest and get people to sign up this does not even form part of the bill.As for the mum who would pay £86, if she's anything like the ones around here who do a one mile round trip in the biggest 4x4 gas guzzler you can imagine I can only say they should double the fee for any road within a mile of a school (would keep the kids safe with quiet roads!).Its pay as you go for the damage you cause to the environment and quite right as far as I'm concerned.



That is complete and utter tosh.

There has been the technology around for years to do away with diesel fuel but the only reason the government of this world won't take the step into using it is because of MONEY!!!

Companies keep introducing these amazing new technologies to power our vehicles yet once the hype is over, you don't see them anymore.

Why?

Because the governments pay them off and subsidise them to NOT mass produce these vehicles so that thy DON'T lose out on BILLIONS in fuel tax!!!!

So if the Goverment want my money they will ahve to take me to court because I for one will NEVER abide by this law!!!

Oh and did you see the headlines in the paper the other week?

BLAIR: I won't give up air travel to save the planet!!

Shove it up your jacksie mate!!!

* Merged threads *

Am I the only one who is concerned about the civil liberties of this ... the government knowing your movements. With our children being fingerprinted and soon to be DNA monitored from birth, all our financial transactions tracked, more CCTV footage than any other nation. Is the cost the only thing that bothers you. I wouldn't want even if it made travel cheaper.

Talking about liberties... Your supermarket knows everything about your lifestyle. Your credit card provider know everything about your purchases and financial situation. You mobile phone company knows where you are. Any business can check your financial status (credit check?). And so on. And there is nothing you can do about it.

kudos1uk

wish I could sign one in favour of this, at the end of the day something … wish I could sign one in favour of this, at the end of the day something has to be done to protect the environment and those who pump out most CO need to be taxed. I love the bit on the end suggesting you might get speeding tickets in the post, its a blatant attempt to cause unrest and get people to sign up this does not even form part of the bill.As for the mum who would pay £86, if she's anything like the ones around here who do a one mile round trip in the biggest 4x4 gas guzzler you can imagine I can only say they should double the fee for any road within a mile of a school (would keep the kids safe with quiet roads!).Its pay as you go for the damage you cause to the environment and quite right as far as I'm concerned.




Im sorry to say im a driver of a Big 4X4 Gas gussler (mind you my diesel does 32 to the gallon) Can you explain to me how i tow my trailer with 2 ton of building material s around? how the other half tows her horse box (horse box with horses 3 tons) or do i give up my work my livley hood and my hobbies Because i own a 4X4 ????
Have you looked how much a Petrol Jag does to the gallon? to put all 4X4;s into the shopping trolley class is a sign of very little knowldge about whot you are talking about.

shieldsy

Am I the only one who is concerned about the civil liberties of this ... … Am I the only one who is concerned about the civil liberties of this ... the government knowing your movements. With our children being fingerprinted and soon to be DNA monitored from birth, all our financial transactions tracked, more CCTV footage than any other nation. Is the cost the only thing that bothers you. I wouldn't want even if it made travel cheaper.



Not by a long shot. I know many who can see where this all leads. I also am a member of a Q&A site iq.lycos.co.uk

It regularly has questions that leads to discussions on such topics. Like this site it has members that have alsorts of different opinions.

chuf

Im sorry to say im a driver of a Big 4X4 Gas gussler (mind you my diesel … Im sorry to say im a driver of a Big 4X4 Gas gussler (mind you my diesel does 32 to the gallon) Can you explain to me how i tow my trailer with 2 ton of building material s around? how the other half toes her horse box (horse box with horses 3 tons) or do i give up my work my livley hood and my hobbies Because i own a 4X4 ????Have you looked how much a Petrol Jag does to the gallon? to put all 4X4;s into the shopping trolley class is a sign of very little knowldge about whot you are talking about.



Something should be done about those who don't need such transport. Where I live many people need 4x4's and such like, but can't always afford them. Why does any city deweller need one? If they are rich enough to just want one tax them to the hilt so those of us that need them because of where they live or the job they do can afford them.

sheps

Something should be done about those who don't need such transport. Where … Something should be done about those who don't need such transport. Where I live many people need 4x4's and such like, but can't always afford them. Why does any city deweller need one? If they are rich enough to just want one tax them to the hilt so those of us that need them because of where they live or the job they do can afford them.



Good reply
But as always it is the normal person who needs this type of vehicle ( i live on a farm ) who gets hammerd by the goverment.

Kommunist

Talking about liberties... Your supermarket knows everything about your … Talking about liberties... Your supermarket knows everything about your lifestyle. Your credit card provider know everything about your purchases and financial situation. You mobile phone company knows where you are. Any business can check your financial status (credit check?). And so on. And there is nothing you can do about it.



yes you can...don't own a credit card, a loyality card or a mobile phone LOL.....my phone don't work at home anyway it loses signal 5 miles away.

chuf

Good reply But as always it is the normal person who needs this type of … Good reply But as always it is the normal person who needs this type of vehicle ( i live on a farm ) who gets hammerd by the goverment.



I am in very rural area of the highlands, (from a crofting background) lots of single track followed by very bumpy with lots of holes dirt track to get home, roads are not always gritted and we regularly get flooded and snowed in. When I went in early labour a 4x4 was only thing that could get me though the floods to the docs. We really could do with a 4x4 but don't know if we could afford one. City folk don't always understand what it is like to live where I do. It does have it advantages too.

sheps

yes you can...don't own a credit card, a loyality card or a mobile phone … yes you can...don't own a credit card, a loyality card or a mobile phone LOL.....my phone don't work at home anyway it loses signal 5 miles away.


In theory yes In practise - how many people would sacrifice all these things (oh, and I forgot the Internet :)) just to show'em? I guess not many.
And then you must work for cash (so taxman won't know you), do not have bank account, do not go abroad, etc.

I think i read somewhere once that the average person gets caught on cctv approx 200 times a day or similar, alot of this is focused on crime/safety, its a fact of life now

shieldsy

Am I the only one who is concerned about the civil liberties of this ... … Am I the only one who is concerned about the civil liberties of this ... the government knowing your movements. With our children being fingerprinted and soon to be DNA monitored from birth, all our financial transactions tracked, more CCTV footage than any other nation. Is the cost the only thing that bothers you. I wouldn't want even if it made travel cheaper.



Ive said all this before, ive got nothing to hide, but its VERY scary....

Joshanna

Ive said all this before, ive got nothing to hide, but its VERY scary....



Only a matter of time until baby's are micochipped at birth, the way it is all heading......

beerman1

That is complete and utter tosh.There has been the technology around for … That is complete and utter tosh.There has been the technology around for years to do away with diesel fuel but the only reason the government of this world won't take the step into using it is because of MONEY!!! Companies keep introducing these amazing new technologies to power our vehicles yet once the hype is over, you don't see them anymore.Why?Because the governments pay them off and subsidise them to NOT mass produce these vehicles so that thy DON'T lose out on BILLIONS in fuel tax!!!!So if the Goverment want my money they will ahve to take me to court because I for one will NEVER abide by this law!!!Oh and did you see the headlines in the paper the other week?BLAIR: I won't give up air travel to save the planet!!Shove it up your jacksie mate!!!



So Beerman1 have you completed the petition?:roll:

sheps

Only a matter of time until baby's are micochipped at birth, the way it … Only a matter of time until baby's are micochipped at birth, the way it is all heading......



OMG, never thought of that, this society is a joke nowadays, my moan about the box in cars is theyll always know where you are and your speed.

I estimate it will take the average person a week IF THAT to loose there license due to speeding, i do it ALOT without even noticing...:whistling:

Kommunist

In theory yes In practise - how many people would sacrifice all these … In theory yes In practise - how many people would sacrifice all these things (oh, and I forgot the Internet :)) just to show'em? I guess not many.And then you must work for cash (so taxman won't know you), do not have bank account, do not go abroad, etc.



True but until all of it is on one data base we still have some freedom after all the police, inland revenue ect still aint that good at catching those who have got something to hide lol

http://hometown.aol.com/overdoseofkemo/images/kgb.jpg is still watching you!

sheps

True but until all of it is on one data base we still have some freedom … True but until all of it is on one data base we still have some freedom after all the police, inland revenue ect still aint that good at catching those who have got something to hide lol

I think they will integrate their databases some day. This is inevitable, because government wants to find the most effective way of getting money out of us.

chuf

Im sorry to say im a driver of a Big 4X4 Gas gussler (mind you my diesel … Im sorry to say im a driver of a Big 4X4 Gas gussler (mind you my diesel does 32 to the gallon) Can you explain to me how i tow my trailer with 2 ton of building material s around? how the other half tows her horse box (horse box with horses 3 tons) or do i give up my work my livley hood and my hobbies Because i own a 4X4 ????Have you looked how much a Petrol Jag does to the gallon? to put all 4X4;s into the shopping trolley class is a sign of very little knowldge about whot you are talking about.



I sympathise with folk like this.

I reckon some of the worst culprits for pollution and fuel economy are cars which because they are so old dont even pay vehicle excise duty:w00t:

(replying to Kommunist) as i said it is only a matter of time before babies are mico chipped at birth....and the rest of us too.....cheaper than id cards and it saves you worring about loosing them.

Kommunist

is still watching you! :)I think they will integrate their databases … is still watching you! :)I think they will integrate their databases some day. This is inevitable, because government wants to find the most effective way of getting money out of us.




You have the right nick for this country As i think we are living in a Kommunist State!:x

2sheps

I think there were talks about RFID chips but security was show stopper.


2chuf,

You have the right nick for this country As i think we are living in a … You have the right nick for this country As i think we are living in a Kommunist State!:x


No, this is a Socialist state. If it was Communist one, then everything would be for free

Well if it happens im sure some clever person will be able to fudge them so they think its Foney Blaires Car............................

Kommunist

2shepsI think there were talks about RFID chips but security was show … 2shepsI think there were talks about RFID chips but security was show stopper.2chuf,No, this is a Socialist state. If it was Communist one, then everything would be for free



It appears to have been done....
Schoolchildren to be RFID-chipped
Japanese authorities decide tracking is best way to protect kids

networks.silicon.com/lan…htm

That article doesn't say that kids are the one to be chipped but rather their belongings. The problem with RFID is that anyone with suitable equipment could read chip contents (either encrypted or not). There were also talks about putting an RFID chip in credit cards (and passports too), so instead of using in-machine reader, people just would wave their cards next to it (or simply keep it inside of their pockets) and machine would put charge on it. And AFAIR, these trials failed because of security concerns. Not sure of the current status though.

Kommunist

That article doesn't say that kids are the one to be chipped but rather … That article doesn't say that kids are the one to be chipped but rather their belongings. The problem with RFID is that anyone with suitable equipment could read chip contents (either encrypted or not). There were also talks about putting an RFID chip in credit cards (and passports too), so instead of using in-machine reader, people just would wave their cards next to it (or simply keep it inside of their pockets) and machine would put charge on it. And AFAIR, these trials failed because of security concerns. Not sure of the current status though.



lol true but I still think it is only a matter of time before it is reallity

Who knows? At the moment I am more concerned about my car (and it is not 4x4, just humble Mondeo)
.

The problem is that there always will be supporters of whatever scheme will be introduced. For example, those who only make 5K/year by driving on B-roads will be all in favour. Mile-eaters and businesses will be all against. So in any case, the decision-makers could always point their finger at either group and say: 'see? the public is supporting us!'

Kommunist

Who knows? At the moment I am more concerned about my car (and it is not … Who knows? At the moment I am more concerned about my car (and it is not 4x4, just humble Mondeo) .The problem is that there always will be supporters of whatever scheme will be introduced. For example, those who only make 5K/year by driving on B-roads will be all in favour. Mile-eaters and businesses will be all against. So in any case, the decision-makers could always point their finger at either group and say: 'see? the public is supporting us!'



Another good point :giggle:
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