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    :shock:
    Thats shocking

    niceeeeeeee!

    :lol:

    Bet it's true......

    Banned

    its a rubbish logo anyway lol

    lololol!!!

    Banned

    good aim.. all of them getting him in that one spot.

    gold medal in my book

    lol

    great! :-D

    Nice cartoons, good point. Where did you get them btw?

    Liddle ol' me;2123740

    Nice cartoons, good point. Where did you get them btw?



    Saw an interesting piece on the news the other day during the coverage of the earth quake that made me think of you. They had some British person on who lives in China, and they talked about how at the start of the year there had been some discontent amongst the Chinese people they knew with the Government and the handling of the situation in Tibet, and over whether the Olympics were costing the country too much money. But after seeing the protests at the Olympic torch relays, and seeing people trying to grab the torch, etc. they saw these protests as an attack/afront on China itself, so they are now rallying behind their government instead and fully supporting them.

    Whilst I know that's just one person's opinion based on a select group of people, I thought it was kind of interesting. Perhaps not quite the outcome the protestors were hoping for? :?

    Brilliant :lol:

    nightswimmer;2123989

    [...] at the start of the year there had been some discontent amongst … [...] at the start of the year there had been some discontent amongst the Chinese people they knew with the Government and the handling of the situation in Tibet, and over whether the Olympics were costing the country too much money. But after seeing the protests at the Olympic torch relays, and seeing people trying to grab the torch, etc. they saw these protests as an attack/afront on China itself, so they are now rallying behind their government instead and fully supporting them. Whilst I know that's just one person's opinion based on a select group of people, I thought it was kind of interesting. Perhaps not quite the outcome the protestors were hoping for? :?



    Yes, good point. But the knee-jerk defensive response often precedes more reflective responses. You might even make the argument that the Chinese government's response to the recent earthquake has been influenced by the 'dent' in international opinion from the torch rally/Tibet issue. Their response is certainly much better than the one in the 1980's (90's?) when they had a similar disaster. Effect is always difficult to attribute directly to cause (or is that the other way round? :oops:), but I'm convinced all these things are connected. And protests are known to be effective, even if history tells us that real change takes time to trickle down sometimes... Thanks for bringing this up. Another stimulating post :thumbsup:

    bellabonkers;2123586

    :shock:Thats shocking


    No............ that's shooting :roll:

    Liddle ol' me;2124016

    Yes, good point. But the knee-jerk defensive response often precedes more … Yes, good point. But the knee-jerk defensive response often precedes more reflective responses.



    Yep. She went on to say though, that the Earthquake would just unify people even more, so I am not sure how long it will be before that reflective response happens. :?

    You might even make the argument that the Chinese government's response … You might even make the argument that the Chinese government's response to the recent earthquake has been influenced by the 'dent' in international opinion from the torch rally/Tibet issue. Their response is certainly much better than the one in the 1980's (90's?) when they had a similar disaster. Effect is always difficult to attribute directly to cause (or is that the other way round? :oops:), but I'm convinced all these things are connected. And protests are known to be effective, even if history tells us that real change takes time to trickle down sometimes... Thanks for bringing this up. Another stimulating post :thumbsup:



    Yep, I totally agree. Also, with situation like the earth quake, whilst the initial response may be unity, if handled badly, it can quickly lead to opinions swinging the other way with more force than before.

    Whilst I agree protests have been known to be effective, I think they are most effective when they come from within, because it is the populace afterall, who in the end have the final say, even if it takes generations. So it did make me wonder whether the Olympic protests could have been done in a way that would have encouraged those within China who were already discontent, and appealed to those who weren't, rather than done in a way that alienated them. I have no idea what kind of protest that would entail though. :oops:

    nightswimmer;2124378

    Yep. She went on to say though, that the Earthquake would just unify … Yep. She went on to say though, that the Earthquake would just unify people even more, so I am not sure how long it will be before that reflective response happens. :?Yep, I totally agree. Also, with situation like the earth quake, whilst the initial response may be unity, if handled badly, it can quickly lead to opinions swinging the other way with more force than before.Whilst I agree protests have been known to be effective, I think they are most effective when they come from within, because it is the populace afterall, who in the end have the final say, even if it takes generations. So it did make me wonder whether the Olympic protests could have been done in a way that would have encouraged those within China who were already discontent, and appealed to those who weren't, rather than done in a way that alienated them. I have no idea what kind of protest that would entail though. :oops:


    There was almost bound to be this type of 'backs against the wall' response though because their media convey only the party line - the are certain to be horrified by the apparently unjustified and ill-founded protests against them. The Chinese leaders have manipulated thier people into seeing the Olympic flag as a symbol not of the Olympic ideals but as an icon of Chinese development IMO. I would have preferred no physical contact what-so-ever in the 'protests' but difficult to achieve when protesters feel very strongly and at least the rest of the world was awakened to public feeling.

    Good post taasda.

    nightswimmer;2124378

    Whilst I agree protests have been known to be effective, I think they are … Whilst I agree protests have been known to be effective, I think they are most effective when they come from within, because it is the populace afterall, who in the end have the final say, even if it takes generations. So it did make me wonder whether the Olympic protests could have been done in a way that would have encouraged those within China who were already discontent, and appealed to those who weren't, rather than done in a way that alienated them. I have no idea what kind of protest that would entail though. :oops:



    Another point to add to this though. The East Asian countries have always been ultra-sensitive to outside opinion, particularly the Japanese but also the Chinese. The Chinese authorities may like to sabre-rattle and defend itself strongly against international criticism, but the confucian-based hierarchical mind-set perhaps predisposes them to judge themselves vis-a-vis others, at least more than those coming out of a Judeo-Christain tradition. Maybe. Perhaps. :thinking:

    chesso;2124421

    There was almost bound to be this type of 'backs against the wall' … There was almost bound to be this type of 'backs against the wall' response though because their media convey only the party line - the are certain to be horrified by the apparently unjustified and ill-founded protests against them. The Chinese leaders have manipulated thier people into seeing the Olympic flag as a symbol not of the Olympic ideals but as an icon of Chinese development IMO. I would have preferred no physical contact what-so-ever in the 'protests' but difficult to achieve when protesters feel very strongly and at least the rest of the world was awakened to public feeling.



    Yes, exactly. I taught a large class of international students two years ago, the majority of whom were Chinese. We were giving them academic training prior to them taking up places on MAs at British universities. The focus was on critical thinking skills, etc. They responded quite well to topics they had no personal relationship with, but on a couple of occasions when China became the subject, it was amazing how much they toed the party line. We had quite a heated debate about Taiwan that was particularly memorable! i'd like to meet some of those students again now after having completed their MAs. I wonder whether they are now able to treat 'home' topics more critically now...? It's always a fight of ideas though, eh? Control of the media is a very powerful weapon indeed.
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