Corbyn and Labour Party

Read this couldn't believe it was allowed to happen god forbid they ever get into power.

thesun.co.uk/new…le/

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Momentum are not even a political candidate how would they ever get into power?

That is like saying belibers will top the charts

Don't buy the sun. JF96

Trust the Sun to not let the facts get in the way of a 'lets all bash the lefties' story
Edited by: "spoo" 28th Sep 2016

The Sun in printing lies shocker.

Stuff like this isn't the reason Corbyn won't win a General Election, but it does reinforce a narrative.

Labour's problem is that it doesn't realise that proper Socialism simply won't win them votes in this country, and they have trashed New Labour so much that they can't move back to that position anytime soon despite it winning them their only General Election victory in four decades.

They wrongly think their membership numbers matter and they think rally turnout is a sign of support from the wider public. It's not. The overwhelming majority of people will never be members of a political party, but that's whose votes you need to get. It's sad but the truth is that we have no effective opposition in this country right now.

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

Stuff like this isn't the reason Corbyn won't win a General Election, but … Stuff like this isn't the reason Corbyn won't win a General Election, but it does reinforce a narrative.Labour's problem is that it doesn't realise that proper Socialism simply won't win them votes in this country, and they have trashed New Labour so much that they can't move back to that position anytime soon despite it winning them their only General Election victory in four decades.They wrongly think their membership numbers matter and they think rally turnout is a sign of support from the wider public. It's not. The overwhelming majority of people will never be members of a political party, but that's whose votes you need to get. It's sad but the truth is that we have no effective opposition in this country right now.




On the contrary we have most effective opposition we've had in a very long time, its not opposition when both parties share the same ideology tho be it a slightly watered down version versus a bat crap insane version. What is the point in having multiple parties when the only thing that changes is the faces and the colour of their ties.

Error440

On the contrary we have most effective opposition we've had in a very … On the contrary we have most effective opposition we've had in a very long time, its not opposition when both parties share the same ideology tho be it a slightly watered down version versus a bat crap insane version. What is the point in having multiple parties when the only thing that changes is the faces and the colour of their ties.



This is another misnomer that Corbyn's Labour has, that a majority of people want something radically different. They don't. We're a conservative country, we don't do revolutions and we don't do massive swings in ideologies because we grew out of that.

It's why New Labour succeeded because they recognised you needed small changes that were familiar enough to appeal to voters but still made some changes for the better.

The opposition we have now is a protest party, not a realistic alternative.

It's like three architects designing a house. One (Tory) wants a three storey house. Another (New Labour) wants a two-storey house but with a nice big loft.

The third (Present-day Labour) is designing a boat. It's a nice boat, but it's not a house.

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

This is another misnomer that Corbyn's Labour has, that a majority of … This is another misnomer that Corbyn's Labour has, that a majority of people want something radically different. They don't. We're a conservative country, we don't do revolutions and we don't do massive swings in ideologies because we grew out of that. It's why New Labour succeeded because they recognised you needed small changes that were familiar enough to appeal to voters but still made some changes for the better.The opposition we have now is a protest party, not a realistic alternative.It's like three architects designing a house. One (Tory) wants a three storey house. Another (New Labour) wants a two-storey house but with a nice big loft.The third (Present-day Labour) is designing a boat. It's a nice boat, but it's not a house.




Thats your opinion, I and millions of others disagree with you, not least in Scotland.

Nu labour got into power on the back of tory lite policies that appealed to tory voters who despised john major, that wasnt a labour government and had major not been about it wouldn't have happened now would it.

Your architecture idea is wrong, tories want a solid gold mansion for the few built by the slave labour of the many. Nu labour wanted a gold plated mansion for the few built by the many on minimum wage. Labour want everyone to have a modest abode and to be able to afford to keep it.

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

This is another misnomer that Corbyn's Labour has, that a majority of … This is another misnomer that Corbyn's Labour has, that a majority of people want something radically different. They don't. We're a conservative country, we don't do revolutions and we don't do massive swings in ideologies because we grew out of that. It's why New Labour succeeded because they recognised you needed small changes that were familiar enough to appeal to voters but still made some changes for the better.The opposition we have now is a protest party, not a realistic alternative.It's like three architects designing a house. One (Tory) wants a three storey house. Another (New Labour) wants a two-storey house but with a nice big loft.The third (Present-day Labour) is designing a boat. It's a nice boat, but it's not a house.



Tis a fine boat but it is no barn...

I don't who's multi you are or which former banned member you are but i'm finally finding myself agreeing with you...

Error440

Thats your opinion, I and millions of others disagree with you, not least … Thats your opinion, I and millions of others disagree with you, not least in Scotland. Nu labour got into power on the back of tory lite policies that appealed to tory voters who despised john major, that wasnt a labour government and had major not been about it wouldn't have happened now would it.Your architecture idea is wrong, tories want a solid gold mansion for the few built by the slave labour of the many. Nu labour wanted a gold plated mansion for the few built by the many on minimum wage. Labour want everyone to have a modest abode and to be able to afford to keep it.



I have no doubt that millions disagree, but not enough to win a General Election.

The funny thing is that if you want to say that New Labour weren't Labour/socialist then, assuming you're under the age of 40, you've never been alive during a Labour win.

Unless you're over the age of 58, you've never even voted in a General Election in which a Labour government has been victorious. Do you still believe a socialist Labour government is electable?

Your last sentence is exactly what is wrong with Labour. What if someone doesn't want a modest abode? What if they want more?

That's what socialists never understand - ambition. Greed. Those things that drive so much of human nature that I'm sure you'll say are bad things.....on a shopping forum.

Flodd

Tis a fine boat but it is no barn...I don't who's multi you are or which … Tis a fine boat but it is no barn...I don't who's multi you are or which former banned member you are but i'm finally finding myself agreeing with you...




I agree. There are some very good points being made in this particular thread - but then that is what you get with a 1st at Cambridge. The wonderful use of analogies is also something to behold, possibly only bettered by the iconic 'Cheese' and 'Vote for Mummy' classics authored by Splender.

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

I have no doubt that millions disagree, but not enough to win a General … I have no doubt that millions disagree, but not enough to win a General Election.The funny thing is that if you want to say that New Labour weren't Labour/socialist then, assuming you're under the age of 40, you've never been alive during a Labour win.Unless you're over the age of 58, you've never even voted in a General Election in which a Labour government has been victorious. Do you still believe a socialist Labour government is electable?Your last sentence is exactly what is wrong with Labour. What if someone doesn't want a modest abode? What if they want more?That's what socialists never understand - ambition. Greed. Those things that drive so much of human nature that I'm sure you'll say are bad things.....on a shopping forum.




The main difference between you and me is I could not care less if someone is considered electable or not, what matters is that the representation is there for a large chunk of society.

Its all subjective anyway, its your opinion that corbyn is unelectable, he has yet to face a general election as leader, if his constituency record is any indication then he is very electable. Not that we elect individuals in this country you are spost to be voting for a party.

linking to the S*n though haha, so dumb!

Error440

The main difference between you and me is I could not care less if … The main difference between you and me is I could not care less if someone is considered electable or not, what matters is that the representation is there for a large chunk of society. Its all subjective anyway, its your opinion that corbyn is unelectable, he has yet to face a general election as leader, if his constituency record is any indication then he is very electable. Not that we elect individuals in this country you are spost to be voting for a party.

Corbyn was never meant to win the leadership of the Labour party (Like Borris was never meant to win the Brexit). When he did win the establishment phooed themselves as he is not one of the political elite. Since then there has been a huge campaign to discredit the guy, its the establishment (via the MSM) who say he's unelectable, not the electorate.

Saturn

I agree. There are some very good points being made in this particular … I agree. There are some very good points being made in this particular thread - but then that is what you get with a 1st at Cambridge. The wonderful use of analogies is also something to behold, possibly only bettered by the iconic 'Cheese' and 'Vote for Mummy' classics authored by Splender.


Mum knows best, if you don't believe me, ask your mum. It could be said by you know who, if one is a mother, one knows better for Britain's future. Hooray for all the mummy boys and the lady boys. "Vote for mummy" was Britain's runner up choice post Brexit for the post of PM.
Edited by: "splender" 28th Sep 2016

123thisisme

Corbyn was never meant to win the leadership of the Labour party (Like … Corbyn was never meant to win the leadership of the Labour party (Like Borris was never meant to win the Brexit). When he did win the establishment phooed themselves as he is not one of the political elite. Since then there has been a huge campaign to discredit the guy, its the establishment (via the MSM) who say he's unelectable, not the electorate.


There is actually no one is electable right now and recently. The one who was elected didn't survive the Referendum of his own unelectable recommendation to voters.

Flodd

Tis a fine boat but it is no barn...I don't who's multi you are or which … Tis a fine boat but it is no barn...I don't who's multi you are or which former banned member you are but i'm finally finding myself agreeing with you...


WHat's that "Tis a fine boat..."?

Error440

The main difference between you and me is I could not care less if … The main difference between you and me is I could not care less if someone is considered electable or not, what matters is that the representation is there for a large chunk of society. Its all subjective anyway, its your opinion that corbyn is unelectable, he has yet to face a general election as leader, if his constituency record is any indication then he is very electable. Not that we elect individuals in this country you are spost to be voting for a party.


So we risk the government going without an effective opposition until at least 2025 so that that chunk of society feels represented. Great stuff, I hope they get a nice warm feeling in their belly. (_;)

123thisisme

Corbyn was never meant to win the leadership of the Labour party (Like … Corbyn was never meant to win the leadership of the Labour party (Like Borris was never meant to win the Brexit). When he did win the establishment phooed themselves as he is not one of the political elite. Since then there has been a huge campaign to discredit the guy, its the establishment (via the MSM) who say he's unelectable, not the electorate.




I know, and then people online parrot the same words used by the media to discredit him, "hes unelectable, hes a trot squawk! " shows the brain washing works.

Error440

... shows the brain washing works.

Yes it most certainly does.

Rubisco

So we risk the government going without an effective opposition until at … So we risk the government going without an effective opposition until at least 2025 so that that chunk of society feels represented. Great stuff, I hope they get a nice warm feeling in their belly. (_;)




I reffer you to my earlier comment about what is the point in a opposition if the only difference is the faces and the colour of their ties.

Error440

I know, and then people online parrot the same words used by the media to … I know, and then people online parrot the same words used by the media to discredit him, "hes unelectable, hes a trot squawk! " shows the brain washing works.


Is this "Brain washing"?

http://i.imgur.com/O56Bqhg.jpg

Rubisco

So we risk the government going without an effective opposition until at … So we risk the government going without an effective opposition until at least 2025 so that that chunk of society feels represented. Great stuff, I hope they get a nice warm feeling in their belly. (_;)

I would rather have a choice of two apposing parties rather than the same old same old that we have had for the last 20 years. At the moment it dosent matter if you vote labour or conservative.

Rubisco

Is this "Brain washing"?




And the tories oversee the sale of arms to the Saudis, were mates with saddam, protected pinochet etc, so whats your point?

Rubisco

Is this "Brain washing"?

So your worried Trotsky may get rehabilitated?

Rubisco

Is this "Brain washing"?

Actually yes, the fact that someone dug up those forms from 30 years ago and put them online is part of trying to discredit the guy. You sir have been brainwashed.

123thisisme

I would rather have a choice of two apposing parties rather than the … I would rather have a choice of two apposing parties rather than the same old same old that we have had for the last 20 years. At the moment it dosent matter if you vote labour or conservative.


Luckily the more sane members of the left-leaning electorate don't buy into this far-left claptrap and recognise the difference between New Labour and the Tories.

I suppose that if the only similarity you care about is that they both don't want to turn us into Cuba then you'll struggle to see what the rest of us see.

123thisisme

Actually yes, the fact that someone dug up those forms from 30 years ago … Actually yes, the fact that someone dug up those forms from 30 years ago and put them online is part of trying to discredit the guy. You sir have been brainwashed.


So solid investigative journalism is brainwashing, and anything other than blindly accepting the pure honest contemporary words of the Glorious Leader verbatim is a vile attempt to discredit him.

Up the Jezza.

Jezza would deselect multis.

123thisisme

So your worried Trotsky may get rehabilitated?


Unfortunately I'm too much in favour of the Kantian-priestly and vegetarian-Quaker prattle about the “sacredness of human life” to be a fan.

Rubisco

So solid investigative journalism is brainwashing...

The fact that you think its solid investigative journalism shows you've been brainwashed.

123thisisme

The fact that you think its solid investigative journalism shows you've … The fact that you think its solid investigative journalism shows you've been brainwashed.


Is it fake?

Rubisco

Unfortunately I'm too much in favour of the Kantian-priestly and … Unfortunately I'm too much in favour of the Kantian-priestly and vegetarian-Quaker prattle about the “sacredness of human life” to be a fan.

No idea what that is but im not a fan either.

Rubisco

Is it fake?


Didn't say it was fake.

Care to reply to my points about supporting nasty people with arms sales and preventing justice, rather then focusing on a corpse?

123thisisme

Didn't say it was fake.


Then to uncover it is solid investigative journalism.

HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

This is another misnomer that Corbyn's Labour has, that a majority of … This is another misnomer that Corbyn's Labour has, that a majority of people want something radically different. They don't. We're a conservative country, we don't do revolutions and we don't do massive swings in ideologies because we grew out of that. It's why New Labour succeeded because they recognised you needed small changes that were familiar enough to appeal to voters but still made some changes for the better.The opposition we have now is a protest party, not a realistic alternative.It's like three architects designing a house. One (Tory) wants a three storey house. Another (New Labour) wants a two-storey house but with a nice big loft.The third (Present-day Labour) is designing a boat. It's a nice boat, but it's not a house.




Really we dont do massive swings?

Brexit?
UKIP - 3 million votes?
SNP Taking over Scotland?

I thinks its very clear the people of this country who are feeling repressed and isolated, want a change, and that is a majority because the rich maybe rich, but they are a minority.

Look at Nicolas Sarkozy's comments yesterday

itv.com/new…nt/

If this happened and the UK voted to then stay in the EU, do you think those who originally voted to leave would be thanked for getting the country on the road to a better deal? while everyone who voted to remain was happy being shortchanged, because it didn't affect them, after all isn't that the main reason leave voters have been criticised so much is because those whom want to remain are shortsighted, selfish and annoyed that they themselves arent willing to suffer short term for long term gains?

Also please take this as a rhetorical as I know who I am addressing and i'm not interested in a row.


Also look at who voted Corbyn in TWICE! not labour MP's but the people. its not the MP's who vote its the people.
Edited by: "haritori" 28th Sep 2016

Rubisco

Then to uncover it is solid investigative journalism.




Thatcher stopped the chillian people getting justice, she sold arms to saddam and so on, yet she is still considered a tory saint.
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