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    Hi

    Does anyone know of any good custom built pc places?

    Found one called dino pcs not sure if they are any good, I am a graphic designer so the pc should be of a good spec for my job.

    I got some good advice here before, but i was then looking at a dell pc.

    My budget is between £300 - £450, can anyone one recommend a decent spec pc for my needs!

    thanks :thumbsup:

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    [url]www.overclockers.co.uk[/url] is pretty good, you could probably build your own system for alot cheaper.

    What do you mean custom PC?
    I thought a custom PC is when you buy part by part and then build it your self.

    I was watching the gadget show a while ago and they got a professional place to get there PC and it was vadim.co.uk/ or arbico.co.uk/ for a cheaper PC's.

    Original Poster

    Hi

    I suppose I mean, can anyone give me a decent spec for a pc.

    I have been told that some of the parts that dell use are on the cheap side and I dont really like the cases they use.

    mumford

    HiDoes anyone know of any good custom built pc places?Found one called … HiDoes anyone know of any good custom built pc places?Found one called dino pcs not sure if they are any good, I am a graphic designer so the pc should be of a good spec for my job.I got some good advice here before, but i was then looking at a dell pc.My budget is between £300 - £450, can anyone one recommend a decent spec pc for my needs!thanks :thumbsup:



    PM MikeT, our Dell Mod to see if he can help

    Original Poster

    is this one any good?

    arbico.co.uk/

    Original Poster

    Hi

    What do you think of this one, would their be anything you would change for a better performance for my needs?

    arbico.co.uk/Arb…tml

    Thanks again everyone

    Looks fine to me, personally I'd add an extra 1Gb of RAM if you're running Vista, and wireless networking wouldn't go amiss, but all in all doesn't look to be a bad spec.

    Original Poster

    Hi Meglomaniac

    just found this one, please could you tell me if this is better, and anything you would change (sorry to be a pain, but I want to get the right one, wasted to much money in the past)

    Gigabyte Triton GZ-XX1CA-SNB Black
    Corsair Powersupply 620W Black, ATX/EPS,
    Asus P5N-E SLI, nForce-650i SLI, ATX,
    Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz Socket
    Corsair Value S. PC5300 DDR2 2048MB
    XFX GeForce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 XXX,
    Samsung SpinPoint T166 250GB SATA2
    Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S182M, 18x,
    PC with no operating system

    £496 (exc VAT)

    Corsair memory, Asus motherboard, very nice, sounds like something I'd build myself. It's a much better spec too, better processor, more and better ram, better graphics card etc. The only problem I can see is that there's no operating system, you can pick up an OEM version of XP or Vista from somewhere like eBuyer for around £50, or if you fancied giving Linux a go ]http//ww…om/ is free and well worth a try.

    Original Poster

    I already have an oem version of windows XP, that should do shouldn't it?

    So u would recommend buying this, I hope so I have trawled contless websites looking for a pc within my budget, unless you can recommend any to me

    budget £500 - £550 (maybe squezze to a bit more!)

    Thanks a lot!

    If you have a copy of XP already then problem solved.

    Mind me asking where that's from? Tbh that seems a nice spec to me, the only thing I could suggest really is maybe having a go at building one yourself to save on build costs, it's not as hard as it sounds but I know not many fancy it or maybe giving an Apple Mac a go as they seem fairly popular with the graphic designers I know.

    mumford

    Hi Meglomaniacjust found this one, please could you tell me if this is … Hi Meglomaniacjust found this one, please could you tell me if this is better, and anything you would change (sorry to be a pain, but I want to get the right one, wasted to much money in the past)Gigabyte Triton GZ-XX1CA-SNB BlackCorsair Powersupply 620W Black, ATX/EPS,Asus P5N-E SLI, nForce-650i SLI, ATX,Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz SocketCorsair Value S. PC5300 DDR2 2048MBXFX GeForce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 XXX,Samsung SpinPoint T166 250GB SATA2Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S182M, 18x,PC with no operating system£496 (exc VAT)



    That's a decent spec, but do the figures add up?

    Let's see how much the same components cost at ebuyer.

    http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07263/pcspec.png

    The main difference is the graphics card. The XXX edition is a bit more expensive due to higher clock speeds, but ebuyer dont sell it.

    So the same spec pre-built is £496 ex vat = £582 inc vat.

    Build it yourself for £530 inc vat and delivery, saving you £50.

    Btw, that power supply is overkill for the spec, but I included it to make the spec like-for-like. Also, I would go for a X1950Pro over the 7600GT, or even a 8800GTS.

    Original Poster

    Hi

    The spec I gave is already built I found it on komplett.co.uk (hope I have understood it right, and I dont have to build it!)

    Singh: What power supply would I need for that system?

    Thanks

    mumford

    Singh: What power supply would I need for that system?



    Well, if you're going for a 7600GT you don't need much, a good quality 400W-500W power supply will do the job.

    Edit: Actually, i've just re-read your post. If you're only doing graphics design work, go for something like a 8600GTS and get 4GB RAM instead. Like this:

    http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07263/pcspec3.png

    Original Poster

    Sorry posted again!

    Hi

    the system in questions is already built from komplett.co.uk (i hope i have got it right and dont have to build it myself)

    Singh: What Power Supply would I need then for that system

    Thanks a lot

    See above mate. A good brand name 400W will easily power a 7600GT.

    Seriously consider getting 4GB RAM if you're a graphics designer. It makes a huge difference.

    8800GTS sounds a bit overkill tbh, you'd be fine with the 7600 but anything better certainly wouldn't hurt. Also with the memory as you'll be using XP 2Gb should be plenty, but again more doesn't hurt. I agree about the PSU though, personally I'd plump for a slightly lower power energy efficient one like this: ]http//ww…76/

    Ahhh Komplett, I think if you give them a ring they'll build pretty much whatever you fancy. I haven't ordered anything from them myself for a while and only ever components (last thing was a hard drive if I recall correctly), but they always used to be pretty good.

    Original Poster

    Yes your right about the 4mb and I will also change the graphics card to the one you mentioned 8600GTS

    Should have a decent PC at last

    Komplett seem to be very reasonable on price, yet to find the spec I have given, cheaper

    4GB RAM with a 8600GTS is just about perfect for a graphics designer. You can always start with 2GB RAM and add more later if you feel you need more, it's an easy upgrade.

    Is your copy of Windows XP 64bit or 32bit? Because if it's 32bit windows will only show 3.2GB even though you have 4GB.

    Original Poster

    its 32bit

    just found it the systems price I mentioned is just for the components!

    How much would it be to get someone to build it for me.

    I might buy the components from eBuyer as they seem to be a bit cheaper than komplett

    Thanks

    Singh

    4GB RAM with a 8600GTS is just about perfect for a graphics designer. You … 4GB RAM with a 8600GTS is just about perfect for a graphics designer. You can always start with 2GB RAM and add more later if you feel you need more, it's an easy upgrade.Is your copy of Windows XP 64bit or 32bit? Because if it's 32bit windows will only show 3.2GB even though you have 4GB.



    The maximum memory Windows XP (32-bit) can address is 4Gb including page files, to see the full 4Gb of RAM you just have to turn off the page files, assuming your motherboard can pick up the full 4GB of course. See: ]http//ww…spx for info. XP 64-bit on the other hand is limited to 128Gb (well actually the theoretical maximum is 16 billion gigabytes, but it's currently capped to 128Gb of physical memory).

    Do you have a friend or relative who could build it for you? You could try getting a quote from a local PC shop.

    You could also try asking komplett if they build custom specs

    mumford

    its 32bitjust found it the systems price I mentioned is just for the … its 32bitjust found it the systems price I mentioned is just for the components!How much would it be to get someone to build it for me.I might buy the components from eBuyer as they seem to be a bit cheaper than komplettThanks



    Where are you based? I'm sure someone on here wouldn't mind doing it for you fairly cheaply. Did you give Komplett a ring? I think they'd probably match eBuyer on price if you asked, although as I've not used them for a while I can't be sure and eBuyer don't offer to put it all together for you.

    It's worth noting that if you buy the right bits you can get quite long manufacturers warranty's doing it yourself, the likes of Corsiar, OCZ etc. do lifetime warrantys on RAM, Asus offer 2-3years on most of their products as do Antec, iiyama offer 3years on-site for their monitors (which btw is an essential item I've noticed is missing in most of the specs listed here) etc. so picking the right bits of kit can mean your PC's fully covered for at least 2-3years without having to pay £££'s as you do with people like Dell, PC World etc.

    Original Poster

    Hi Everyone that has helped me here!

    Think I may have found the system for me, what do u think of the below (all from eBuyer):

    1 x OCZ StealthXStream 600W PSU - SLI Ready ATX2.2 12cm LED Fan 127861

    £46.16

    1 x Asus P5N-E SLI 650i Socket 775 Onboard Audio ATX 125082

    £59.52

    1 x Intel Core 2 Duo E6320 (1.86Ghz) Socket 775 FSB1066 4MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor 126904

    £85.72

    2 x Corsair 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 675MHz/PC2-5400 XMS Memory Non-ECC Unbuffered CL4(4-4-4-12) Heat Spreader Lifetime Warranty 98708

    £80.72

    1 x Point Of View 8600GTS 256MB DDR3 128bit Dual DVI HDTV HDCP PCI-E 127242

    £95.19

    1 x Seagate ST3250620A 250GB Hard Drive 7200RPM 16MB Cache - OEM 115413

    £36.38

    1 x Samsung SH-S183 SATA 18x DVD±RW/RAM Black - Bare Drive OEM 127260

    £17.43

    1 x Antec P180 Black SPCR Advanced Super Mid Tower - No PSU 100727

    £59.98

    Shipping £13.19

    Subtotal £494.29


    Any good, as I may buy this one

    That is an awesome spec for a graphics designer.

    The hard drive you selected is the IDE version. Change it for the SATA edition (product no 111515).

    Have you found someone who will build it for you?
    You could always have a go yourself, try this guide:
    tools.corsairmemory.com/sys…472
    Have a look for 'pc building' on youtube aswell. :thumbsup:

    Also, what monitor will you be using? A graphics designer needs a good monitor

    Edit: you can also choose free shipping if you want

    Original Poster

    Hi Singh

    Your right I need a decent monitor and thats why I wanted to source it myself, I have seen a few I like

    iiyama and samsung 22" screens ring a bell

    do u have any suggestions?

    Original Poster

    great stuff, nice one mate!

    No probs mate, have a look at the other monitors as well, you can get cheaper than that.

    Cannot believe Komplett are charging around £50 per build.. Makes me want to stop building my own PC's when you can get someone to do it for as little as £50.

    Isn't 4GB of memory a little overkill? I also thought that XP and Vista (certain versions, non-64bit versions I believe) have issues with 4GB of memory.

    Wouldn't it be better spent on a 256bit graphics card rather than a 128bit one.

    Original Poster

    yep that's the samsung i have heard so much about

    PhearFactor

    Cannot believe Komplett are charging around £50 per build.. Makes me want … Cannot believe Komplett are charging around £50 per build.. Makes me want to stop building my own PC's when you can get someone to do it for as little as £50.Isn't 4GB of memory a little overkill? I also thought that XP and Vista (certain versions, non-64bit versions I believe) have issues with 4GB of memory.Wouldn't it be better spent on a 256bit graphics card rather than a 128bit one.



    I think the OP was mistaken, the komplett price did not include building, just components.

    For graphics work, 4GB is not definitely not overkill. When you are handling large graphics files and renders day in and day out, even 4GB will seem little. I know a graphics designer who is using 4 x 2GB sticks = 8GB RAM!!! :w00t: The 4GB issue was addressed above.

    The 128bit is not an issue, he's doing graphics design. Even if he was gaming, it is still a cracking little mid-range card with Vista DX10 support. The 7600GT which the OP was originally going to get is also 128bit. Yes, the 8800GTS is better, but he is not gaming so it would be a waste of money and is overkill for his needs. The 8600GTS midrange card is just right for his needs IMO.

    mumford

    yep that's the samsung i have heard so much about



    That's why I put stars around it, if you can afford it go for that one. The reviews speak for themselves :thumbsup:

    That's a very nice spec you have there. although it looks to me as if some of those prices don't include VAT?:

    mumford

    1 x OCZ StealthXStream 600W PSU - SLI Ready ATX2.2 12cm LED Fan … 1 x OCZ StealthXStream 600W PSU - SLI Ready ATX2.2 12cm LED Fan 127861£46.16



    I still think you're PSU's a bit overkill, unless you're going for SLi (two graphics cards) it's not really worth it. You only really need around 400w at most, something like the energy efficient Antec mentioned earlier (]http//ww…376) would be better imho.

    mumford

    1 x Asus P5N-E SLI 650i Socket 775 Onboard Audio ATX 125082£59.52



    Nice motherboard, gives the option of SLi (two graphics cards), but would you use that? Maybe something like this would be more suitable: ]http//ww…750

    mumford

    1 x Intel Core 2 Duo E6320 (1.86Ghz) Socket 775 FSB1066 4MB Cache Retail … 1 x Intel Core 2 Duo E6320 (1.86Ghz) Socket 775 FSB1066 4MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor 126904£85.72



    Again nice, but if you went for the cheaper motherboard and PSU you might put the extra towards a better processor: ]http//ww…906

    mumford

    2 x Corsair 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 675MHz/PC2-5400 XMS Memory Non-ECC … 2 x Corsair 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 675MHz/PC2-5400 XMS Memory Non-ECC Unbuffered CL4(4-4-4-12) Heat Spreader Lifetime Warranty 98708£80.72



    Corsair are an excellent choice I'm a particular fan of the lifetime warranty they and those like them offer on memory, nice one.

    mumford

    1 x Point Of View 8600GTS 256MB DDR3 128bit Dual DVI HDTV HDCP PCI-E … 1 x Point Of View 8600GTS 256MB DDR3 128bit Dual DVI HDTV HDCP PCI-E 127242 £95.19



    Personally I'd opt for something like an Asus, MSI, or similar (e.g. ]http//ww…981) as they offer big warranties on their graphics cards. Asus offer 3 years and MSI offer 2 years parts and labour + 1 year parts only. Afaik PoV only offer 12 months.

    mumford

    1 x Seagate ST3250620A 250GB Hard Drive 7200RPM 16MB Cache - OEM … 1 x Seagate ST3250620A 250GB Hard Drive 7200RPM 16MB Cache - OEM 115413£36.38



    Good choice, can't fault Seagate. The only thing I'd suggest is having an extra hard drive to use as a backup in case one fails maybe via a RAID 1 configuration.

    mumford

    1 x Samsung SH-S183 SATA 18x DVD±RW/RAM Black - Bare Drive OEM 127260



    Again, good choice, black to match the case and Sammy are a good brand.

    mumford

    1 x Antec P180 Black SPCR Advanced Super Mid Tower - No PSU 100727



    Very nice case, good choice.

    That sammy monitor does look very nice, failing that you can't go wrong with ]iiyama I think both companies offer 3 year on site warranties too which is a nice bonus.

    Original Poster

    Thanks megalomaniac

    Points taken on board.

    Is the Graphics card you suggested e.g. ebuyer.com/UK/…981 a better model than the one on my list?

    I wont be paying VAT as my company is paying for it

    All the nvidia graphics cards comply with the nvidia reference. They are all the same except they have different badges.

    The MSI one is slightly overclocked but that's it. You're paying £25 extra for a tiny bump in speed which you can do yourself with a program called rivatuner. They're ripping you off for a 15Mhz overclock on the core speed and a 100Mhz overclock on the memory speed. Never pay extra money for an overclocked one if you can do it yourself, it's a waste of money.

    If anything, I would go for the EVGA one as they have excellent customer support and have a "step-up" program. evga.com/ste…h=3

    If your not happy with your graphics card or want something more powerful, you can step up to a higher model and only have to pay the difference. Now that's something worth paying a little bit extra for :thumbsup:

    Or go for a BFG one as they also have excellent customer service and lifetime warranty. Lifetime warranty is worth paying a little extra for.

    Or if you do want an MSI one, go for the silent cooling one: ebuyer.com/UK/…983. A better cooler is something worth paying extra for.

    Warranties can differ slightly but beyond that, they're pretty much all the same. But I wouldn't advise you on buying an pre-overclocked one as it's a waste of money. You can do it yourself for free. :thumbsup:

    Edit: The same applies to CPUs, just go for a mid-range one and overclock it. It's not worth paying a premium just for a higher clock speed when you can do it yourself for free.

    Original Poster

    Hi Singh

    Think i will stick with the Point Of View 8600GTS

    A question I haven't asked, will all the components I have selected be compaitable with one another?

    Thanks Mate

    Singh

    All the nvidia graphics cards comply with the nvidia reference. They are … All the nvidia graphics cards comply with the nvidia reference. They are all the same except they have different badges.



    Not true, the reference is exactly that; a guideline that may or may not be followed. The only thing that is always the same it the GPU, everything else can be, and often is, changed. But even the GPU and be overclocked/limited etc.

    Singh

    Warranties can differ slightly but beyond that, they're pretty much all … Warranties can differ slightly but beyond that, they're pretty much all the same. But I wouldn't advise you on buying an pre-overclocked one as it's a waste of money. You can do it yourself for free. :thumbsup:



    I think you'll find that cards can differ greatly, all 8600's are not created equal, I suggest you check ]http//ww…uk/ or similar hardware review sites if you can't take my word for it.

    Singh

    The MSI one is slightly overclocked but that's it. You're paying £25 … The MSI one is slightly overclocked but that's it. You're paying £25 extra for a tiny bump in speed which you can do yourself with a program called rivatuner. They're ripping you off for a 15Mhz overclock on the core speed and a 100Mhz overclock on the memory speed. Never pay extra money for an overclocked one if you can do it yourself, it's a waste of money.



    I was pointing out the MSI one not because it's overclocked but because it offers a whole 2 years extra warranty over the PoV card, worth paying the extra for imho, being overclocked by MSI (and hence still fully guaranteed) is just a bonus.



    Singh

    Or go for a BFG one as they also have excellent customer service and … Or go for a BFG one as they also have excellent customer service and lifetime warranty. Lifetime warranty is worth paying a little extra for.



    Didn't realise they did a lifetime warranty these days, that's excellent and well worth looking at. Good spot Singh :thumbsup:

    Singh

    Or if you do want an MSI one, go for the silent cooling one: … Or if you do want an MSI one, go for the silent cooling one: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/126983. A better cooler is something worth paying extra for.



    Also a nice card, but should be brought in conjunction with a low noise PSU otherwise you wont get the benefit.

    Singh

    The same applies to CPUs, just go for a mid-range one and overclock it. … The same applies to CPUs, just go for a mid-range one and overclock it. It's not worth paying a premium just for a higher clock speed when you can do it yourself for free.



    DIY CPU or GPU overclocking voids your warranty, i would not recommend this unless you really know what you're doing as you can seriously damage your hardware.
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