Death crash fireman found guilty of careless driving - agree or disagree...

its a shame guy died ....but fireman was on emergency - technically guilty - morally part of his job


A firefighter has been found guilty of careless driving following the death of a man whose car was struck by a fire truck answering a 999 call.

Garry Trotter, 41, from Bo'ness, was convicted at Falkirk Sheriff Court of running a red light at speed and failing to give way.

The fire engine hit a car being driven by John McIntosh in Bo'ness last May.

Trotter, who has been a firefighter for 17 years, was given six penalty points and fined £750.

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did the man that died move out the way? I personally believe we're obliged to move out of the way for emergency vehicles. I think he should be found not guilty... (has he or is it going on?! :oops:)


ah, guilty. At least he wasn't put in prison.

as a firefighter myself and a driver of fire engines i would disagree but i may be biast i suppose tho he could be at fault as all red lights have to be treated as give ways and you have to make sure all drivers have seen you and have stopped

Its a tough one because if this ruling causes all firefighters to drive slower etc more people could die from the fires they are getting to.

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the driver of the car was deaf - didnt hear sirens - i would have thought he would be more vigilant and have seen others drivers moving out the way - that guy now has a criminal conviction - could jeopardise his job

holly100;2695585

the driver of the car was deaf - didnt hear sirens - i would have thought … the driver of the car was deaf - didnt hear sirens - i would have thought he would be more vigilant and have seen others drivers moving out the way - that guy now has a criminal conviction - could jeopardise his job



it's not like he's blind. If he was looking in his rear view mirror etc he would have seen a big red vehicle surely?! :whistling:

Any driver has a duty of care to other road users regardless of their profession.

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Gazbert;2696038

Any driver has a duty of care to other road users regardless of their … Any driver has a duty of care to other road users regardless of their profession.



I agree

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yimmie;2695598

it's not like he's blind. If he was looking in his rear view mirror etc … it's not like he's blind. If he was looking in his rear view mirror etc he would have seen a big red vehicle surely?! :whistling:


The dead driver was going through a green light so how would looking in his mirror have helped seeing as the fire engine came from a 90 degree angle? :roll:

I didnt think fire engines were allowed to go above the speed limit but not sure really.

Lets just hope it wasnt just another hoax call like so many fools do these days.

Any emergency service driver that drives through a set of traffic lights on red at 40mph is a disaster waiting to happen. We have to treat them as we would a give way sign. Slowing down to ensure it is safe to proceed only takes a few seconds. Whereas causing an accident stops that appliance from proceeding to the fire call and another appliance then has to be sent to that call adding vital minutes to the arrival time. Slowing down at red lights is a must in my book, its not worth the risk to myself, the rest of the crew or the people waiting for us to turn up.

Have blue lights and two tone sirens does not entiltle you to break any road laws.. When responding to an emergeny you are get there as quickly as you can safely... It was years ago when I done a EFAD's(emergency fire appliance driving) course and driven a fire engine but the sort of things that some motorists do is shocking and all very different...

edna_clouds;2696139

Have blue lights and two tone sirens does not entiltle you to break any … Have blue lights and two tone sirens does not entiltle you to break any road laws.. When responding to an emergeny you are get there as quickly as you can safely... It was years ago when I done a EFAD's(emergency fire appliance driving) course and driven a fire engine but the sort of things that some motorists do is shocking and all very different...


are you in the service now

Firefighter999;2696136

Any emergency service driver that drives through a set of traffic lights … Any emergency service driver that drives through a set of traffic lights on red at 40mph is a disaster waiting to happen. We have to treat them as we would a give way sign. Slowing down to ensure it is safe to proceed only takes a few seconds. Whereas causing an accident stops that appliance from proceeding to the fire call and another appliance then has to be sent to that call adding vital minutes to the arrival time. Slowing down at red lights is a must in my book, its not worth the risk to myself, the rest of the crew or the people waiting for us to turn up.

where you stationed at

ding;2696188

are you in the service now



Not now.... I was retired about 10 years ago after I had a accident.. Had to have a operation on my foot when a section of roof came down on me.. FS said that my foot was not strong enough to do ladder work safely.. I was only retained..

I was only retained

still do the same job as the whole time tho, do you miss it.?

ding;2696272

still do the same job as the whole time tho, do you miss it.?



Big time bud..... I was in for 8/9 years and had some really good times.. I have never been told that I'm retired though.. Still got my alerter and all sort of fire service thinks still at home.. It's probably all out of date now.. At the time I was off injured the fir service went through major changes here and I think I got forgotton about.. It went from Powys fire service to Mid and West wales..... I think... :oops:

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you still got your uniform edna?

When I was part of a green goddess crew we just went full whack everywhere, the again we always had a police escort with the lights and sirens on in front of us

sassie;2696491

you still got your uniform edna?



Yeah..... You wanna try it on?;-)

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edna_clouds;2696515

Yeah..... You wanna try it on?;-)



only if your wearing it;-)

RedIron;2696514

When I was part of a green goddess crew we just went full whack … When I was part of a green goddess crew we just went full whack everywhere, the again we always had a police escort with the lights and sirens on in front of us


they only go about 10 mph any way and would of probbably fallen to pieces if it hit anything

ding;2696539

they only go about 10 mph any way and would of probbably fallen to pieces … they only go about 10 mph any way and would of probbably fallen to pieces if it hit anything



You'd be surprised they're old but could do about 50mph, some have been refitted an can do about 70

The only problem was they are badly designed so if you corner too fast in them you'll tip it over,

RedIron;2696574

You'd be surprised they're old but could do about 50mph, some have been … You'd be surprised they're old but could do about 50mph, some have been refitted an can do about 70The only problem was they are badly designed so if you corner too fast in them you'll tip it over,



if you corner too fast in them you'll tip it over

bad times !

RedIron;2696574

You'd be surprised they're old but could do about 50mph, some have been … You'd be surprised they're old but could do about 50mph, some have been refitted an can do about 70The only problem was they are badly designed so if you corner too fast in them you'll tip it over,


did you provide cover during the strikes ?

ding;2696639

did you provide cover during the strikes ?



Yeah I did, I was only a back up crew though as I hadn't been in the Navy for long at that point. I got a few call outs though but nothing major. The worst was a car fire in a field.

sassie;2696523

only if your wearing it;-)




It can be arranged sass..:thumbsup:

ding;2696539

they only go about 10 mph any way and would of probbably fallen to pieces … they only go about 10 mph any way and would of probbably fallen to pieces if it hit anything



I remember the apliance we had when I first joined.. It was petrol,and had no baffles in the water tank.. You hit any corner at anything more than 20 mph and you was holding on for dear life..

RedIron;2696713

Yeah I did, I was only a back up crew though as I hadn't been in the Navy … Yeah I did, I was only a back up crew though as I hadn't been in the Navy for long at that point. I got a few call outs though but nothing major. The worst was a car fire in a field.


cool :thumbsup:

edna_clouds;2696726

I remember the apliance we had when I first joined.. It was petrol,and … I remember the apliance we had when I first joined.. It was petrol,and had no baffles in the water tank.. You hit any corner at anything more than 20 mph and you was holding on for dear life..


glad to say ours are a bit better now :thumbsup:
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