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    dispatches last night..SOCIAL WORKERS

    anyone see it last night. all the stress on social workers and how lame the standards are as they just have too much to do. the guy at the end said, we would have to start paying for this service if we wanted to see an improvement in the service.

    I totally wouldnt mind paying taxes for this. now how do i say this without sounding really rude, but a big majority of social care is dealing with the rougher part of society. these kids are left to it and end up becoming a burden on society later. they never feel loved and/or face so many challenges growing up that its not surprising they end up turning to crime, being disrepectful etc.

    surely by investing in social care we are investing in the future of british society.

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    surely by investing in social care we are investing in the future of british society.

    Yes in a way, but you are also paying to clean up another parents mess, but I do agree that more money needs to be spent on fixing the system, it is after all not the childs fault

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    it is really sad how so many children are totally neglicted, left to get on with life alone, no parental input whasoever, its disgusting that people can have children and not be held accountable for their actions

    Didn't see the program but social care is usually the poor relation when it comes to public spending.......and this underfunded dept will also be the first when it comes to budget cuts also!

    However in saying that,much like most public services there is also a lot of waste,pointless meetings where a memo would do etc etc.

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    tracyhay;8789200

    surely by investing in social care we are investing in the future of … surely by investing in social care we are investing in the future of british society.Yes in a way, but you are also paying to clean up another parents mess, but I do agree that more money needs to be spent on fixing the system, it is after all not the childs fault



    i know, but we cant sort the parents out....so why not 'fix' the child! its not ideal..but in some areas its just scary what the kids are like. if we could educate these kids and show them the love they need wo could stop this vicious cycle. maybe cut child benefits like u said in ur thread and spend it where its really needed, on workers who can help kids in need.

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    muckypup;8789247

    Didn't see the program but social care is usually the poor relation when … Didn't see the program but social care is usually the poor relation when it comes to public spending.......and this underfunded dept will also be the first when it comes to budget cuts also!However in saying that,much like most public services there is also a lot of waste,pointless meetings where a memo would do etc etc.



    yeah they highlighted that. waaaay too much time wasted with file filling instead of dealing with kids and families.

    i know for a fact i wouldnt mind a cut in CHB if it meant that society in general could improve. im glad that CTFs are being scrapped as well. i know the reason for that is different, ie to get the country out of debt

    magicbeans;8789250

    i know, but we cant sort the parents out....so why not 'fix' the child! … i know, but we cant sort the parents out....so why not 'fix' the child! its not ideal..but in some areas its just scary what the kids are like. if we could educate these kids and show them the love they need wo could stop this vicious cycle. maybe cut child benefits like u said in ur thread and spend it where its really needed, on workers who can help kids in need.



    very true but at the same time the parents need to be held accountable not just from a legal side of things but financial as well, so that they do not go on to have another child that ends up just the same the whole thing is a viscous circle.

    Perhaps sorting out the parents is what need to be done though as well, if the parents are more stable the child will be too, with the right support rather than just sticking them into the system

    My 2 cents worth

    My Mrs works for SS.

    The biggest issue is the management in the office as they do not care and do not have idea as to what is going on, if htey were to speak to the other staff in the office they would understand what needs to be done and how to address issues. My Mrs comes home at times and is just fuming with her bosses.

    Also other public agencies have a tendancy to push people over to SS as they do not want to deal with the people and the SS end up having to deal with them.

    Yes they (SS) are at the both of the list for public sector monies but having the right people in manamgemt who have an idea as to how to do things would help and prevent children from getting into harm.

    the systems that they is totaly rubbish and does create tones of duplicate work for all. Higher management really need to speak with the workers to establish what works - what does not and how they all could improve systems

    think the system is called "careone" which i think is being deployed nationall.

    BPD;8789320

    My 2 cents worthMy Mrs works for SS. The biggest issue is the management … My 2 cents worthMy Mrs works for SS. The biggest issue is the management in the office as they do not care and do not have idea as to what is going on, if htey were to speak to the other staff in the office they would understand what needs to be done and how to address issues. My Mrs comes home at times and is just fuming with her bosses.Also other public agencies have a tendancy to push people over to SS as they do not want to deal with the people and the SS end up having to deal with them.Yes they (SS) are at the both of the list for public sector monies but having the right people in manamgemt who have an idea as to how to do things would help and prevent children from getting into harm.


    I totally agree with regards to the management,however,social services are as much guilty as any agency for pushing their problems onto others.My hubby has worked in the industry for 10 years,working for not for profit organisations and gets as frustrated with SS as much as your good lady does with other agencies!!

    What is true is that those working in the industry(not the management) are not paid enough for the stressful work they do and there are never enough staff to deal with the caseloads,so it is somewhat understandable that problem cases are pushed onto others.

    No quick fix is there,proper investment needed really which isn't going to happen anytime soon.

    Utterly disagree. I knew 'a' social worker very well. Quite senior.

    Social workers are only 'overloaded' by their own historical public sector standards. Which, in the real world, is not actually overloaded at all. They are just massively inefficient, low achievers (by private sector productivity & pressure standards), admittedly doing vital work that not everyone could do, but this overloaded nonsense is just supported by their 1970s unions, & they convince themselves they are. How many socialworkers do you know who know anything else?

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    magicbeans;8789250

    i know, but we cant sort the parents out....so why not 'fix' the child! … i know, but we cant sort the parents out....so why not 'fix' the child! its not ideal..but in some areas its just scary what the kids are like. if we could educate these kids and show them the love they need wo could stop this vicious cycle. maybe cut child benefits like u said in ur thread and spend it where its really needed, on workers who can help kids in need.



    I disagree, i think if the parents where held accountable for the state of their family then things would improve, but they are allowed to do as they like and the children follow suit, although not an easy thing to deal with, but education will always be the way forward but breaking up families wont achieve anything even those that are broken from day one

    sassie;8789449

    I disagree, i think if the parents where held accountable for the state … I disagree, i think if the parents where held accountable for the state of their family then things would improve, but they are allowed to do as they like and the children follow suit, although not an easy thing to deal with, but education will always be the way forward but breaking up families wont achieve anything even those that are broken from day one



    repped, couldnt have put it better myself

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    very intresting points made. the program didnt suggest anything from ur point of view gerrygader....but now u mention it .... factoring that in along with what sassie says makes me realise i may have jumped to a 'hey this will make it better' conclusion. its not that simple and yes breaking families is worst case scenario.

    o i am confuzzled now! haha

    sassie;8789449

    I disagree, i think if the parents where held accountable for the state … I disagree, i think if the parents where held accountable for the state of their family then things would improve, but they are allowed to do as they like and the children follow suit, although not an easy thing to deal with, but education will always be the way forward but breaking up families wont achieve anything even those that are broken from day one



    Repped.

    here's my rant lol

    parents these days don't seem equipped with the skills to manage behaviours form the word go! or don't want to have the hastle to deal with them.....then they get to an age where they can't cope!

    it's important to have consistency, firmness as well as fairness form an early age that way imo you can start as you mean to go on!

    i hear parents tell their kids to shut up and be quiet rather than listen and or just say in a minite sweetie i'm just talking/doing this.....it upsets me when i hearf a kid told to shut up

    as for SS on e of my best friends is a social worker and she's so overloaded and stressed i do worry about her! that programme was shocking!

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    monkey madness;8795060

    here's my rant lol parents these days don't seem equipped with the skills … here's my rant lol parents these days don't seem equipped with the skills to manage behaviours form the word go! or don't want to have the hastle to deal with them.....then they get to an age where they can't cope!it's important to have consistency, firmness as well as fairness form an early age that way imo you can start as you mean to go on!i hear parents tell their kids to shut up and be quiet rather than listen and or just say in a minite sweetie i'm just talking/doing this.....it upsets me when i hearf a kid told to shut up :(as for SS on e of my best friends is a social worker and she's so overloaded and stressed i do worry about her! that programme was shocking!



    better education for parents in raising kids from day 1 u mean. maybe alongside things like parentcraft/antenatal classes they could have some sort of lessons when a child is a preschooler. although i cant see everyone going to it.

    we didn't need lessons back in the and tbh the bad parents would go to these classes unless made to which is next to useless

    it was just a statement really that parents just don't appear bothered or have the caperbility to bring chuildren and deal with behaviour
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