Do people get paid to post deals?

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Posted 5th Dec 2019
As deals are removed from reputable companies but companies who cause constant issues are welcomed with open arms then what exactly is the criteria/cost to allow safe passage onto this site.
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There are a number of people paid to post on this site. It isn't at all obvious.
MrSwitch is one.
Bandicoot05/12/2019 13:02

Can anyone name the culprits? I'm with MAGA


I'm sure that if we did our posts would get deleted.
furbars05/12/2019 13:12

Agree, I don't post deals anymore can't see the point when people are …Agree, I don't post deals anymore can't see the point when people are getting paid to do it and probably getting freebies to. I think they should state on posters names who gets paid same as Amazon's vine program but I suspect many people would ditch HUKD if they did that .


Great idea furbars let's have some transparency
Well just this past month I’ve got the Xbox for £80 and a new iPhone XR for £330 so I don’t care who posts what
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There are a number of people paid to post on this site. It isn't at all obvious.
MrSwitch is one.
Instead of HUKD why not just call it hot deals I'm paid to post
I'd think that despite what people themselves will say it isn't hard to imagine that certain users get some kind of incentive, of whatever kind, to post deals from specific companies. I certainly have my suspicions as to the nature of some Editorial style posts.
So it is safe to assume HUKD is nothing more than an advertising site that allows minor deals from the general public but is largely filled with paid content.
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1Against the law, public order, ethic, the right of a third-party and/or our terms of use.

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ExampleWe consider a megathread/deal compilation to be a thread containing deals from more than one merchant. Sale threads for a single merchant with product examples would not fall under this rule. 


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Do these rules apply to everyone?
Bandicoot05/12/2019 12:50

So it is safe to assume HUKD is nothing more than an advertising site that …So it is safe to assume HUKD is nothing more than an advertising site that allows minor deals from the general public but is largely filled with paid content.


Yep. This is what it has become. And for those or are not the selected few, there’s no point sharing deals.
Can anyone name the culprits? I'm with MAGA
Bandicoot05/12/2019 13:02

Can anyone name the culprits? I'm with MAGA


I'm sure that if we did our posts would get deleted.
choccie3205/12/2019 12:55

Yep. This is what it has become. And for those or are not the selected …Yep. This is what it has become. And for those or are not the selected few, there’s no point sharing deals.


Agree, I don't post deals anymore can't see the point when people are getting paid to do it and probably getting freebies to. I think they should state on posters names who gets paid same as Amazon's vine program but I suspect many people would ditch HUKD if they did that .
furbars05/12/2019 13:12

Agree, I don't post deals anymore can't see the point when people are …Agree, I don't post deals anymore can't see the point when people are getting paid to do it and probably getting freebies to. I think they should state on posters names who gets paid same as Amazon's vine program but I suspect many people would ditch HUKD if they did that .


Great idea furbars let's have some transparency
I have not been paid or recieved incentives to post any deals but if retailers wish to pay I will inform the community and shout it from the rooftops.(this post has not been paid for and is not self promotion).
Bandicoot05/12/2019 13:15

Great idea furbars let's have some transparency


They do - on their posts you see the "I'm a member of the Pepper Expert Program" thing under their deal where you can find out more about what it is - not what they get from it though.
I post a couple of deals if I think it’s good value, then they get slated, specially apple lol. Then someone a few days later posts a worst deal and it goes red hot...
It is the moderators who review merchants for inclusion on hotukdeals and the moderators who make a decision whether or not a deal can remain. They look at a number of things including:

Do they have sufficient contact information (static telephone number for customer queries) and/or business address?
Do that have sufficient feedback readily available online (reviews, social media presence etc)?
Are they a limited company at Companies House (with filed accounts)?
Do they have a sufficient length of trading?
What is the community demand for them?
Is this something our community is likely to engage with (thinking as consumers rather than businesses)
Would the merchant in general fit our site rules/regulations?
Do they ship to the UK?

They do not need to meet all the criteria but we build a picture based on our findings. No part of the review process involved checking whether they have an affiliate program. The moderators do not know which merchants pay hotukdeals.

Often members claim we do things on the basis that the merchant doesn't pay hotukdeals. Completely untrue. Few reason...

- why do we allow Amazon deals and recently heavily promoted Prime Day when they don't pay hotukdeals a penny? People might say traffic but when the Hot page and New page is dominated by their content surely that is counterproductive to monetising the site?!

- why do we allow offline deals which bring in no income?

- why do we REMOVE content from Deals when it isn't market leading?

- why do we allow deals which aren't monetised (ie no affiliate program?)

- why do we ban/suspend merchants for self promotion? Remember you guys never see this so if we wanted we could easily keep it quiet from you and let it go

- why have we suspended many merchants recently for issues that we consider to be incompatible with our site?

- why do we not (as many other sites do) forbid the mention of similar sites/competitors? That is totally against what deal sites should be and providing community with the best content.

I'm happy to discuss things here but if there are other threads more suited to a line of discussion i'll direct you to it and we can pick it up there.
So is there a similar site to this that is more transparent ?
Pepper Network is a business that exists to make money. We are not their customers, it's the manufacturers / retailers. We are simply a targeted market. It is the same with eBay but on a far greater scale.

This is no different than the shelf layout in grocery stores. Manufacturers pay grocers for prime, eye level shelf space and those who don't pay / whose products have poor margins get relegated to the bottom shelf.
mikeportsmouth05/12/2019 14:55

So is there a similar site to this that is more transparent ?


None. Somebody has to pay the bills for all the technology infrastructure, site / app development, etc.
bozo00705/12/2019 15:02

None. Somebody has to pay the bills for all the technology infrastructure, …None. Somebody has to pay the bills for all the technology infrastructure, site / app development, etc.


Obviously so but that doesn`t mean it can`t be more transparent than here
magicjay198605/12/2019 14:42

It is the moderators who review merchants for inclusion on hotukdeals and …It is the moderators who review merchants for inclusion on hotukdeals and the moderators who make a decision whether or not a deal can remain. They look at a number of things including: Do they have sufficient contact information (static telephone number for customer queries) and/or business address?Do that have sufficient feedback readily available online (reviews, social media presence etc)?Are they a limited company at Companies House (with filed accounts)?Do they have a sufficient length of trading?What is the community demand for them? Is this something our community is likely to engage with (thinking as consumers rather than businesses)Would the merchant in general fit our site rules/regulations? Do they ship to the UK?They do not need to meet all the criteria but we build a picture based on our findings. No part of the review process involved checking whether they have an affiliate program. The moderators do not know which merchants pay hotukdeals. Often members claim we do things on the basis that the merchant doesn't pay hotukdeals. Completely untrue. Few reason...- why do we allow Amazon deals and recently heavily promoted Prime Day when they don't pay hotukdeals a penny? People might say traffic but when the Hot page and New page is dominated by their content surely that is counterproductive to monetising the site?!- why do we allow offline deals which bring in no income? - why do we REMOVE content from Deals when it isn't market leading? - why do we allow deals which aren't monetised (ie no affiliate program?)- why do we ban/suspend merchants for self promotion? Remember you guys never see this so if we wanted we could easily keep it quiet from you and let it go- why have we suspended many merchants recently for issues that we consider to be incompatible with our site? - why do we not (as many other sites do) forbid the mention of similar sites/competitors? That is totally against what deal sites should be and providing community with the best content.I'm happy to discuss things here but if there are other threads more suited to a line of discussion i'll direct you to it and we can pick it up there.


Have you or anyone else ever been offered payment or incentives to promote a certain retailer or product? This would include free or discounted products or financial inducements.
The drivers of this site are the general public who post their deals whether good or bad in a bid to help others, companies whose deals deceive or mislead members should lead to an outright ban to protect other users and this should include failure to fulfill orders and slow reimbursements . Nobody is questioning the criteria required it is the manner in which more and more deals are removed and also comments and discussions removed. Freedom of speech is a basic right of the western world and an honest and upfront policy of inducement to post deals should be a basic foundation for a site of this nature as failure to do so is advertising under false pretences. (I have not been paid or received any inducements for this post, I am also not self promoting).
mikeportsmouth05/12/2019 14:55

So is there a similar site to this that is more transparent ?



In terms of transparency, what else do you think is missing on site?
magicjay198605/12/2019 14:42

It is the moderators who review merchants for inclusion on hotukdeals and …It is the moderators who review merchants for inclusion on hotukdeals and the moderators who make a decision whether or not a deal can remain. They look at a number of things including: Do they have sufficient contact information (static telephone number for customer queries) and/or business address?Do that have sufficient feedback readily available online (reviews, social media presence etc)?Are they a limited company at Companies House (with filed accounts)?Do they have a sufficient length of trading?What is the community demand for them? Is this something our community is likely to engage with (thinking as consumers rather than businesses)Would the merchant in general fit our site rules/regulations? Do they ship to the UK?They do not need to meet all the criteria but we build a picture based on our findings. No part of the review process involved checking whether they have an affiliate program. The moderators do not know which merchants pay hotukdeals. Often members claim we do things on the basis that the merchant doesn't pay hotukdeals. Completely untrue. Few reason...- why do we allow Amazon deals and recently heavily promoted Prime Day when they don't pay hotukdeals a penny? People might say traffic but when the Hot page and New page is dominated by their content surely that is counterproductive to monetising the site?!- why do we allow offline deals which bring in no income? - why do we REMOVE content from Deals when it isn't market leading? - why do we allow deals which aren't monetised (ie no affiliate program?)- why do we ban/suspend merchants for self promotion? Remember you guys never see this so if we wanted we could easily keep it quiet from you and let it go- why have we suspended many merchants recently for issues that we consider to be incompatible with our site? - why do we not (as many other sites do) forbid the mention of similar sites/competitors? That is totally against what deal sites should be and providing community with the best content.I'm happy to discuss things here but if there are other threads more suited to a line of discussion i'll direct you to it and we can pick it up there.


Can members be banned for speaking out about some of the Chinese sellers you promote
1 regular user got banned from here and I can’t believe he did anything wrong other than doing that?
Edited by: "snoopy18" 5th Dec 2019
magicjay198605/12/2019 15:06

In terms of transparency, what else do you think is missing on site?


Who gets paid !!!! Perhaps if someone is getting paid to advertise a deal a big red P should go on the deal
Edited by: "mikeportsmouth" 5th Dec 2019
bozo00705/12/2019 15:01

Pepper Network is a business that exists to make money. We are not their …Pepper Network is a business that exists to make money. We are not their customers, it's the manufacturers / retailers. We are simply a targeted market. It is the same with eBay but on a far greater scale.This is no different than the shelf layout in grocery stores. Manufacturers pay grocers for prime, eye level shelf space and those who don't pay / whose products have poor margins get relegated to the bottom shelf.



I get the point you are trying to make here but I can't agree.

If you consider the function of hotukdeals, it isn't us (the staff) that determines the "store layout" as you put it.

Every deal on hotukdeals starts on the New page. Then it is up to our members to determine whether or not this is something they're interested in. They comment and they vote on the deal. If members love it, it goes to the Hot page. If it gets exceptionally hot and over the threshold (250° at the moment) then it could feature on our Highlights page. If the deal is poor, it'll sink down the new page so it never gets additional exposure.
Bandicoot05/12/2019 15:04

Have you or anyone else ever been offered payment or incentives to promote …Have you or anyone else ever been offered payment or incentives to promote a certain retailer or product? This would include free or discounted products or financial inducements.The drivers of this site are the general public who post their deals whether good or bad in a bid to help others, companies whose deals deceive or mislead members should lead to an outright ban to protect other users and this should include failure to fulfill orders and slow reimbursements . Nobody is questioning the criteria required it is the manner in which more and more deals are removed and also comments and discussions removed. Freedom of speech is a basic right of the western world and an honest and upfront policy of inducement to post deals should be a basic foundation for a site of this nature as failure to do so is advertising under false pretences. (I have not been paid or received any inducements for this post, I am also not self promoting).



I have been offered incentives to post, yes. We (the forum team) often get messages from people wanting us to push their deals and they have their accounts banned and the merchant can sometimes be suspended.
mikeportsmouth05/12/2019 15:08

Who gets paid !!!! Perhaps if someone is getting paid to advertise a deal …Who gets paid !!!! Perhaps if someone is getting paid to advertise a deal a big red P should go on the deal


Hi

On every post by a Pepper expert, this large red box is at the bottom

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That links back to the long running PEP thread that explains these posters are rewarded by us - but based on the quality of their deals, not of the revenue they drive: hotukdeals.com/dis…284

In addition any poster with a shield next to their name (like me or magicjay86) are salaried staff employed by hotukdeals - we are not paid in any relation to the deals we post though
So despite what it says in the box they do get paid !
magicjay198605/12/2019 15:15

I have been offered incentives to post, yes. We (the forum team) often get …I have been offered incentives to post, yes. We (the forum team) often get messages from people wanting us to push their deals and they have their accounts banned and the merchant can sometimes be suspended.


So is that a no to any inducement for all the team? And as suggested earlier if a payment of sorts is made then this should be highlight with as suggested P to alert users to paid for content. Banning deals then suspending a merchant wont solve it, banning the merchant aswell would be more appropriate.
mikeportsmouth05/12/2019 15:19

So despite what it says in the box they do get paid !



Sure and it's proven that deals of other members disappeared and all of a sudden showed up again, posted by some "Expert"
magicjay198605/12/2019 15:06

In terms of transparency, what else do you think is missing on site?



actually fulfilling your promise to BE transparent as per your announcement 2 months ago?
Well just this past month I’ve got the Xbox for £80 and a new iPhone XR for £330 so I don’t care who posts what
Bandicoot05/12/2019 15:23

So is that a no to any inducement for all the team? And as suggested …So is that a no to any inducement for all the team? And as suggested earlier if a payment of sorts is made then this should be highlight with as suggested P to alert users to paid for content. Banning deals then suspending a merchant wont solve it, banning the merchant aswell would be more appropriate.



It is a no for all the team.
Buckyball05/12/2019 15:25

Sure and it's proven that deals of other members disappeared and all of a …Sure and it's proven that deals of other members disappeared and all of a sudden showed up again, posted by some "Expert"



Got a link? I'll be happy to review and respond.
I think there’s a big difference between been paid to post deals by the companies the deal is about and getting paid by an internet site to go out and find deals
toonsquirel05/12/2019 15:32

Well just this past month I’ve got the Xbox for £80 and a new iPhone XR fo …Well just this past month I’ve got the Xbox for £80 and a new iPhone XR for £330 so I don’t care who posts what


Good for you. This past month I got a soundtouch Bose 20 for £119.00 from John Lewis, a ryobi one+ sander for free from Amazon.it, various discounts from Amazon warehouse etc plus my drives bigger than yours
mikeportsmouth05/12/2019 15:19

So despite what it says in the box they do get paid !


It is explaining that brands or merchants do not pay them to post (which many posts in this thread are concerned about) and that they don't make money from actual sales. Then the red link clicks through to a page that explains how they do get paid.

Perhaps the wording could be clearer - we'll take a look - but the info is all there

BTW I was mistaken above about the page the link takes you to - it's actually here hotukdeals.com/PEP where the explanation that they make money is even clearer
Bandicoot05/12/2019 15:38

Good for you. This past month I got a soundtouch Bose 20 for £119.00 from …Good for you. This past month I got a soundtouch Bose 20 for £119.00 from John Lewis, a ryobi one+ sander for free from Amazon.it, various discounts from Amazon warehouse etc plus my drives bigger than yours


So why do you care of someone is paid to post deals of your actually happy at getting good deals?
Planty72005/12/2019 15:39

It is explaining that brands or merchants do not pay them to post (which …It is explaining that brands or merchants do not pay them to post (which many posts in this thread are concerned about) and that they don't make money from actual sales. Then the red link clicks through to a page that explains how they do get paid.Perhaps the wording could be clearer - we'll take a look - but the info is all thereBTW I was mistaken above about the page the link takes you to - it's actually here https://www.hotukdeals.com/PEP where the explanation that they make money is even clearer


Clear as mud
toonsquirel05/12/2019 15:40

So why do you care of someone is paid to post deals of your actually happy …So why do you care of someone is paid to post deals of your actually happy at getting good deals?


Transparency
toonsquirel05/12/2019 15:40

So why do you care of someone is paid to post deals of your actually happy …So why do you care of someone is paid to post deals of your actually happy at getting good deals?


Also the Bose soundtouch deal was an internet pricing error which I posted, the deal was expired by this site as it went oos online due to the mis price of £139.00 instead of £249.99. John Lewis changed the pricing later but thanks to general members on this site others including myself managed to get the units from store locations and got them delivered. Without unpaid members help a few people would have missed out on what was a great deal, I also got another £20 off due to John Lewis delivery cock up.
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