Do you believe that all aircraft are grounded for the reason they say?

I have not heard of this happening B for such a small eruption, when mt St Helen's went off that took out half the mountain, there were some restrictions in the local area but no were near what is happening today.

I am not usually into conspires stuff but this just does not feel right. even out local air absence is grounded yet we had no "spectacular sun set" and the stars look no different and the sky looks very clear.

If this posts gets taken down and I disappear remember I told u first it was strange lol

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its because its covering the whole east coast. You have hundreds of transatlantic flights passing through there every single day. And if its a major thing that this ash can block engines, then whats the harm in stopping the flights for 36 hours til it passes? Easier to do this rather than risk peoples lives or wreck plane engines.

Im in West Central Scotland, and the sky is really clear tonight, but like I said, the cloud is situated all off the East coast. Its easier to stop all flights rather than letting those on the west coast run by themselves. Just not feasible.

lol the "spectacular sun set" was becuase of the ash in the sky. Was on the news earlier, something to do with the ash reflecting the light or something.
Also there isn't enough ash to block the sky but the planes shouldn't fly becuase the ash gets in the engines, then if the plane crashes... well that isn't good. Admittedly i reckon some flights could of gone ahead, but if thier was a failure of engines and a crash then someone would be in serious trouble.

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hippyharry;8375815

its because its covering the whole east coast. You have hundreds of … its because its covering the whole east coast. You have hundreds of transatlantic flights passing through there every single day. And if its a major thing that this ash can block engines, then whats the harm in stopping the flights for 36 hours til it passes? Easier to do this rather than risk peoples lives or wreck plane engines.



yes that is what they say and I belive that is true

but what ash? it is miles away! I know ash can travle but we have no evidence of it and conveinently it can not be seen by saterlight!! and they have not done this with much bigger events!!! what is realy going on?

Banned

also Mount St. Helens is in the middle of nowhere and any flight cound of easily been diverted around it

your right we are currently just about to sink into the ocean and this flying ban thing is nonsense. It's only an attempt to stop us panicking as the whole of the british isles sinks into the water. the live tv debate tonight was also held in france and was merely a distraction along with britains got talent to fool the british people. I already have my boat filled with beans ready to sail to norway.

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skies over europe almost empty now.

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whatsThePoint;8375852

also Mount St. Helens is in the middle of nowhere and any flight cound of … also Mount St. Helens is in the middle of nowhere and any flight cound of easily been diverted around it



they did divert flight keep them 500 miles away

But that eruption is more than a 1,000 miles from us and no where near as powerful as mt St H

Banned

Yes

The ash cloud isn't some sun blocking cloud that will bring darkness to all beneath it. The planes aren't flying beacuse of the engine problems with ash getting in, Nothing to do with there all of a sudden being a massive cloud that they can't see though.
Think of a small sandstorm, there is still visiblity but the sand is everywhere.

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ErrorOperator;8375833

lol the "spectacular sun set" was becuase of the ash in the sky. Was on … lol the "spectacular sun set" was becuase of the ash in the sky. Was on the news earlier, something to do with the ash reflecting the light or something. Also there isn't enough ash to block the sky but the planes shouldn't fly becuase the ash gets in the engines, then if the plane crashes... well that isn't good. Admittedly i reckon some flights could of gone ahead, but if thier was a failure of engines and a crash then someone would be in serious trouble.



but the sunset was not spectacular so little or no dust!!!

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ErrorOperator;8375883

The ash cloud isn't some sun blocking cloud that will bring darkness to … The ash cloud isn't some sun blocking cloud that will bring darkness to all beneath it. The planes aren't flying beacuse of the engine problems with ash getting in, Nothing to do with there all of a sudden being a massive cloud that they can't see though. Think of a small sandstorm, there is still visiblity but the sand is everywhere.



Yes I agree with what u are saying I do understand honest but my piont why with this one why now these procautions are not normal

Is this thread or the OP serious ??

http://metoffice.com/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271354037.png

What do you think the conspiracy is because unless these conspiracy folk have the power to make a volcano erupt I dont see it.

miles136;8375884

but the sunset was not spectacular so little or no dust!!!



was very bright and red for me where i am. also you won't be able to see the ash.
The wind currents that the ash is in spreads out over the uk. Meaning planes shouldn't (not can't) fly since there is a possibilty of a crash.


The overall result of an aircraft's flying into an ash cloud can be degraded engine performance (including flame out), loss of visibility, and failure of critical navigational and operational instruments.


There was a smaller eruption not long ago (a few weeks I believe) people were debating then whether this would trigger a larger eruption and cause what is happening now to happen. This was just random folks discussing it, so is there a conspiracy, no, just mother nature doing what it does best.. Letting us know we are not in control but giving us a warning that most people decided to ignore ;-)

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I do not know what the conspircey is, and no i am not mad, and do not think someone has the power to make it errupt,

maybe it is a military exercise to see ,if ,and how long it takes to close the skys, i do not know thats why was asking

miles136;8375899

Yes I agree with what u are saying I do understand honest but my piont … Yes I agree with what u are saying I do understand honest but my piont why with this one why now these procautions are not normal



Well since this volcano hasn't erupted in nearly 200 years there isn't any normal procautions. its a different wind current than any other volcano meanin we can't just do what we did with any other volcano.

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ErrorOperator;8375969

Well since this volcano hasn't erupted in nearly 200 years there isn't … Well since this volcano hasn't erupted in nearly 200 years there isn't any normal procautions. its a different wind current than any other volcano meanin we can't just do what we did with any other volcano.



but the eruption in Mt ST H was huge, masive, effected our sunsets and those accros the planet for up to a year after but they did not need these precautions

We prob had more dust in out air from the Mt St H event than from this one!

miles136;8375996

but the eruption in Mt ST H was huge, masive, effected out sunsets and … but the eruption in Mt ST H was huge, masive, effected out sunsets and those accros the planet for up to a year after but they did not need these precautionsWe prob had more dust in out air from the Mt St H event than from this one!



Remeber this one is also a problem becuase the height of the ash is the same a cruising alitude.
And most of the ash from the volcano is heading to us not spreding out in all directions thus causing more problems.

Well there are volcanic eruptions around the world every year, some massive eruptions, some small ones.
But they never shut down all of Asia for an Indonesian eruption etc.
So yes the British no fly zone thing is ridiculous. The ash (If there even is a large amount) would usually be carried at certain altitudes, which the planes could just avoid by flying higher or lower.

miles136;8375996

but the eruption in Mt ST H was huge, masive, effected our sunsets and … but the eruption in Mt ST H was huge, masive, effected our sunsets and those accros the planet for up to a year after but they did not need these precautionsWe prob had more dust in out air from the Mt St H event than from this one!



Imagine for a second being the guy (not that it happens that way) who decided, yea sod it lets open the airspace again. All this fuss about a little cloud in the North. Then, a few planes start falling out of the sky because YOU thought all this was a load of ...... Try living with that?

So your saying NATs are not allowed to shut down the airspace for safety reasons? Maybe you should go on a flight and fly into ash and see what happens. And IF anything does happen, NAT's would probably get the blame.

DarkKnight;8376018

Well there are volcanic eruptions around the world every year, some … Well there are volcanic eruptions around the world every year, some massive eruptions, some small ones.But they never shut down all of Asia for an Indonesian eruption etc.So yes the British no fly zone thing is ridiculous. The ash (If there even is a large amount) would usually be carried at certain altitudes, which the planes could just avoid by flying higher or lower.



with the thousands of flights coming in and out changing all the flight planes would take days.

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RickT;8376021

Imagine for a second being the guy (not that it happens that way) who … Imagine for a second being the guy (not that it happens that way) who decided, yea sod it lets open the airspace again. All this fuss about a little cloud in the North. Then, a few planes start falling out of the sky because YOU thought all this was a load of ...... Try living with that?So your saying NATs are not allowed to shut down the airspace for safety reasons? Maybe you should go on a flight and fly into ash and see what happens. And IF anything does happen, NAT's would probably get the blame.



i did not say they were not alowwed please do not quote or atribute comments i did not make but look at what dark night says

We r too quick to listen to what ever we r told,

So the question still stands why this particular erruption ? nowt special about it

Not all volcanoes are the same, depending on the weight of the ash depends on whether the ash even enters the atmosphere.

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ErrorOperator;8376039

with the thousands of flights coming in and out changing all the flight … with the thousands of flights coming in and out changing all the flight planes would take days.



or cancel a proportion ? sat 50% or 70% what ever but total shut down!! it does not add up

miles136;8376050

i did not say they were not alowwed please do not quote or atribute … i did not say they were not alowwed please do not quote or atribute comments i did not make but look at what dark night saysWe r too quick to listen to what ever we r told,So the question still stands why this particular erruption ? nowt special about it



So your saying no matter where, how big or small, how high the ash rises, how long it goes on for that every single erruption is exactly the same !

Op the problem is that the so called over reaction is because of the society we live in. If an aircraft flames out by everyone survives, the pax will still sue the airline for post traumatic stress, sue NATS, they'll sue who ever they can. And because of this we all have to sit on the ground for days, nothing happens, no one falls out of the sky, everyones happy :thumbsup:

Conspiracy? How so?

I doubt airlines wanted to cancel travel for hundreds of thousands of people and lose out on millions today...

ErrorOperator;8376039

with the thousands of flights coming in and out changing all the flight … with the thousands of flights coming in and out changing all the flight planes would take days.



No it wouldn't, you would just tell each plane to change course, only takes probably 30 seconds a plane or less.
It's much better than just grounding every single plane.

milewide;8375908

What do you think the conspiracy is because unless these conspiracy folk … What do you think the conspiracy is because unless these conspiracy folk have the power to make a volcano erupt I dont see it.



Doctor Evil!

miles136;8376065

or cancel a proportion ? sat 50% or 70% what ever but total shut down!! … or cancel a proportion ? sat 50% or 70% what ever but total shut down!! it does not add up



Well on the news there always said 'virtually' every flight cancelled so some did go ahead. How do you decide which ones to not fly. Plus you would still need to change flight plans. If the safety of people is now seen as a conspircy i would like to see the conspiracies that would have started if a plane did fly then crash. !

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ErrorOperator;8376066

So your saying no matter where, how big or small, how high the ash rises, … So your saying no matter where, how big or small, how high the ash rises, how long it goes on for that every single erruption is exactly the same !



no I am not but if we follow ur lodgic then this one is like no other we have known in the last 50yrs!

DarkKnight;8376080

No it wouldn't, you would just tell each plane to change course, only … No it wouldn't, you would just tell each plane to change course, only takes probably 30 seconds a plane or less.It's much better than just grounding every single plane.



Flight plans are more complicated than that.
You can't just tell the planes to change route, what if 2 or more then change to the same route?

DarkKnight;8376018

So yes the British no fly zone thing is ridiculous. The ash (If there … So yes the British no fly zone thing is ridiculous. The ash (If there even is a large amount) would usually be carried at certain altitudes, which the planes could just avoid by flying higher or lower.



Your joking right ??

The mere possibility that engines could be choked and shutdown by ash is enough of a reason to me!

How do you avoid something when its a blanket covering your waypoints ? and other traffic trying to avoid certain areas of unknown air quality.

If you was due to fly today, would you of been happy if for example, NATS said, "Darknight," you planes ready to leave, where not sure if we will make it due to the ash, but where going to give it a go... lets see how we get on....

Would you of flown?? if the answer is yes.... your talking rubbish..

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ErrorOperator;8376097

Well on the news there always said 'virtually' every flight cancelled so … Well on the news there always said 'virtually' every flight cancelled so some did go ahead. How do you decide which ones to not fly. Plus you would still need to change flight plans. If the safety of people is now seen as a conspircy i would like to see the conspiracies that would have started if a plane did fly then crash. !



I do not have to decide which planes fly nor does anyone on here we pay ppl to do that and it is not as difficult as ppl think

miles136;8376101

no I am not but if we follow ur lodgic then this one is like no other we … no I am not but if we follow ur lodgic then this one is like no other we have known in the last 50yrs!



Correct this volcano hasn't errupted in nearly 200 years. Mening it will be similar to others but not the same. Thiis one grounded flights, others didn't. the next one might. the one after might not. It depends on loads of factors.

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RickT;8376111

Your joking right ??The mere possibility that engines could be choked and … Your joking right ??The mere possibility that engines could be choked and shutdown by ash is enough of a reason to me!How do you avoid something when its a blanket covering your waypoints ?



there is always a posibility of engins getting clogged - birds - dust .... again it still stands why with this one

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ErrorOperator;8376122

Correct this volcano hasn't errupted in nearly 200 years. Mening it will … Correct this volcano hasn't errupted in nearly 200 years. Mening it will be similar to others but not the same. Thiis one grounded flights, others didn't. the next one might. the one after might not. It depends on loads of factors.



true but look at some of the big ones we have had millions of tones of stuff expolded into the air the Mt St H one affected the whole planet!! we have visable dust over uk for about 4-5 months yet ....
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