Do you think online casinos are rigged?

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Posted 25th Jul
Do you guys think online casinos are rigged?

One thing I have noticed watching online roulette tables is every so often the same number will hit twice on the bounce and it seems to happen on all the different sites

This was from 21 yesterday that you can watch on channel 5 at like 12am at night and it hit red 14 times in the bounce after hitting 16 twice in a row

What are the odds of that happening?

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They’re not rigged but every game has odds in the casinos favour. The odds of it hitting red are pretty much 50/50 if you take 0 out of the equation. There is as much chance as it hitting red as hitting black. Casinos need a gaming license. They make enough money believe me without having to rig games.
Edited by: "Kratos69" 25th Jul
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I would imagine so, I’ve always wondered does the source code get inspected by someone independently ? Because if not surely their algorithms could be massively skewed in their favour ...
They’re not rigged but every game has odds in the casinos favour. The odds of it hitting red are pretty much 50/50 if you take 0 out of the equation. There is as much chance as it hitting red as hitting black. Casinos need a gaming license. They make enough money believe me without having to rig games.
Edited by: "Kratos69" 25th Jul
No i used to be a dev at a company that made the software games you find in pubs, you like deal or no deal etc on the modern FOBs

Games have a set payout percentage that was tested and measured to be correct to industry guidelines, data could be requested at any point to ensure average payout was say 96.7% if we said it would be for game X. Most had a payout percentage of 90%+ some 98%!
The odds of 14 reds in a row is 24782/1!
They use real roulette tables not computers

But the same numbers all ways seem to hit every time one after other like 16 16 every time I watch them

It is like getting a coin then trying to hit heads 14 times in a row with out a 0

See if you can do it because I never have
Edited by: "lcf202" 25th Jul
To add to this for every £100 bet you only get £90 back on average, then of that £90 bet, £81 return on average, of that £81, £72 and so on...

In short you can rinse a £100 in no time, the casino always wins
They certainly are , especially the fruit machine types . And I also noticed that the national lottery instant win games are too.
All Casinos are rigged.
they don't have to rig it. They simply observe the stats as others have said. Like a card player having a phenominal memory for cards already played and the odds of teh opponent holding one fo the remaining cards
t3rm3y25/07/2020 09:45

They certainly are , especially the fruit machine types . And I also …They certainly are , especially the fruit machine types . And I also noticed that the national lottery instant win games are too.


Obviously the fruit machines, it literally tells you on the front or in the details the percentage return they are programmed to pay out over their run.
The easiest analogy is to imagine asking you to bet £10 that a coin will land on heads. If you win you get £9 profit, if you lose they get your £10. All casinos work on that logic so there’s no point in rigging things even further. Over time they’re guaranteed to win. In real life I’ve seen a roulette wheel land on 0 three times in a row. The odds don’t change of each independent roll landing on the same number.
Edited by: "donny1266" 25th Jul
The odds of any particular example happening is quite low, but the odds of some noticeable pattern happening is high.

To the point where If there weren't any patterns then you'd suspect it was rigged and not random.
If your a winner at a casino or any gambling institution, they won't like you and you'll probably get banned if you win too much. Go figure that one out!
Black Jack/Pontoon/21.

The odds are heavily stacked in favour of the gambler not the casino and yet the house wins most times.
Why? Because people are mug punters.
redram6625/07/2020 08:48

I would imagine so, I’ve always wondered does the source code get i …I would imagine so, I’ve always wondered does the source code get inspected by someone independently ? Because if not surely their algorithms could be massively skewed in their favour ...



Not only that but whats to say they cant switch the source code and compile code after its been inspected by the gambling commissions with something more favorable to them ?
Where there is money to be made there are lies.
redserpent25/07/2020 13:00

Not only that but whats to say they cant switch the source code and …Not only that but whats to say they cant switch the source code and compile code after its been inspected by the gambling commissions with something more favorable to them ?


Yeah exactly I think with an actual casino you know the odds are stacked against you slightly to win e.g roulette with people saying about 0 etc . With an online casino they have a lot of live data available to them that could influence a decision whether to payout on a particular spin or not, theoretically. I’m sure people on here will say that’s not the case but the problem is the gambler does not know for certain what the code is doing behind the scenes.
t3rm3y25/07/2020 09:45

They certainly are , especially the fruit machine types . And I also …They certainly are , especially the fruit machine types . And I also noticed that the national lottery instant win games are too.


I recall reading a post by someone working on a fruit machine emulator in Mame, and they found the gameplay was rigged by taking memory snapshots and replaying, it payed out the set percentages though, so arguablely the player wasn't being cheated.

Found a similar test here:- web.archive.org/web…htm

I didn't play fruit machines that much, preferred pinball etc, but I believe at least one of the arcades I used to sometimes visit when I was a kid used to tamper with some of their fruit machines when they weren't making them as much money as they like, so that they paid out much lower percentage than stated.
Griffinpark198225/07/2020 12:34

If your a winner at a casino or any gambling institution, they won't like …If your a winner at a casino or any gambling institution, they won't like you and you'll probably get banned if you win too much. Go figure that one out!


my husband used to have a friend who was a professional gambler. but as he kept winning, the gambling companies would no longer take his bets since they don't have to. he therefore had to employ other people to put on bets for him!

this meant he had to trust the people he gave money to.
mutley125/07/2020 19:50

my husband used to have a friend who was a professional gambler. but as …my husband used to have a friend who was a professional gambler. but as he kept winning, the gambling companies would no longer take his bets since they don't have to. he therefore had to employ other people to put on bets for him!this meant he had to trust the people he gave money to.


Did he win or lose in the end
u66454125/07/2020 12:54

Black Jack/Pontoon/21.The odds are heavily stacked in favour of the …Black Jack/Pontoon/21.The odds are heavily stacked in favour of the gambler not the casino and yet the house wins most times.Why? Because people are mug punters.


It's not.
The casino takes there turn last so they have the advantage.

Before you say counting cards it only increases the odds slightly and they reshuffle fairly frequently to reduce it happening and make the window of increased odds smaller.
Plus the famous teams who managed to beat the casino are teams not a single people, if you do it solo your going to be asked to leave and banned before you've started to make any real money.
Edited by: "joedastudd" 25th Jul
joedastudd25/07/2020 21:57

It's not.The casino takes there turn last so they have the …It's not.The casino takes there turn last so they have the advantage.Before you say counting cards it only increases the odds slightly and they reshuffle fairly frequently to reduce it happening and make the window of increased odds smaller.Plus the famous teams who managed to beat the casino are teams not a single people, if you do it solo your going to be asked to leave and banned before you've started to make any real money.


Nothing to do with counting cards.
With blackjack the punter has a choice. House doesn't.
You get 12, 13, 14 or whatever and have the choice to go on or stick. The croupier doesn't have that luxury. They have to hit at least 17 (or some casinos 16).

Disadvantage of blackjack against other casino games is it's a long haul to win big, quickly as it's an even money bet (normally).
Edited by: "u664541" 25th Jul
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I've seen this happen many times. I watched one guy play roulette and 11 black numbers came in succession and he was doubling up each time. He went for the 12th hit and it rolled in red ..

I've also seen numbers roll in three times in a row as well. this happened to me a few years ago ..

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I won on the 1st roll, increased the bet on the 2nd but reasoned that there was no way it would come in again so only covered it with a £1 for the next spin.

So I don't think it's "rigged" as such, but there's probably things they do to ensure that they'll always finish out ahead.
u66454125/07/2020 22:02

Nothing to do with counting cards.With blackjack the punter has a choice. …Nothing to do with counting cards.With blackjack the punter has a choice. House doesn't.You get 12, 13, 14 or whatever and have the choice to go on or stick. The croupier doesn't have that luxury. They have to hit at least 17 (or some casinos 16).Disadvantage of blackjack against other casino games is it's a long haul to win big, quickly as it's an even money bet (normally).


Even with the best strategy in the world you only gain a few percentage over the house.

Everything the casino does is calculated both to entice players and to ensure they profit.
If you manage to beat them long term or for a high profit you'll be banned as it means your cheating or breaking rules (which have been put there to ensure they win).
MWC201225/07/2020 21:08

Did he win or lose in the end


he is very successful and has become a multi millionaire from gambling. my husband has lost touch with him but we still sometimes hear about him from a mutual friend, who still keeps in touch with him. apparently he doesn't gamble as much any more and has invested money in properties instead.

he became very rich very quickly from gambling and made his millions by the time he was in his 20s. he made his money from being able to spot when the book makers made a mistake on the odds, and he would cash in. he was a very clever bloke, so he didn't gamble on gut instinct but calculations.
The best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep.
Having red come out 14 times in a row is the same odds as having 7 reds then 7 blacks.
Griffinpark198225/07/2020 12:34

If your a winner at a casino or any gambling institution, they won't like …If your a winner at a casino or any gambling institution, they won't like you and you'll probably get banned if you win too much. Go figure that one out!


That's incorrect because they know the chances are that person will also spend their winnings back in that establishment.
You can tell I'm not a gambler but I go by what my mum used to say to her partner, the bookie always wins in the end.

Also any casino/betting site can ban you for "winning too much" but of course you won't get banned from their site for "losing too much"!
It's probably not rigged, but the way that the ball 'lands' on the Channel 5 roulette wheel is downright strange. Anyone else notice this?
dealpickle26/07/2020 00:25

It's probably not rigged, but the way that the ball 'lands' on the Channel …It's probably not rigged, but the way that the ball 'lands' on the Channel 5 roulette wheel is downright strange. Anyone else notice this?


Hmmmm will look it is on tonight at 1:15am
Edited by: "lcf202" 26th Jul
Ooooo look It has happened again same number on the spin 32 32

And red red red

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Happened again now 23 23

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On every spin there is a 1 in 37 chance of the number being the same as the previous number, of course it's going to happen reletively regularly.
theworkingdead26/07/2020 10:27

On every spin there is a 1 in 37 chance of the number being the same as …On every spin there is a 1 in 37 chance of the number being the same as the previous number, of course it's going to happen reletively regularly.


Happened 3 times in 1 hour 50 on the same number

Never seen that in real life
lcf20226/07/2020 15:38

Happened 3 times in 1 hour 50 on the same number Never seen that in real …Happened 3 times in 1 hour 50 on the same number Never seen that in real life


Well then appreciate that you saw something that is, at least odds wise, rare.
There is a reason that true randomness is not used on things like song shuffle, number generators etc.
Look into it, this really isn't that exciting.
u66454125/07/2020 22:02

Nothing to do with counting cards.With blackjack the punter has a choice. …Nothing to do with counting cards.With blackjack the punter has a choice. House doesn't.You get 12, 13, 14 or whatever and have the choice to go on or stick. The croupier doesn't have that luxury. They have to hit at least 17 (or some casinos 16).Disadvantage of blackjack against other casino games is it's a long haul to win big, quickly as it's an even money bet (normally).


What a load of rubbish. You honestly believe there would be any room in a casino for a game that is ‘heavily rigged in the gamblers favour’ you think that is in a casinos business model? You forgot the most important thing that puts it in the casinos favour..... if you bust you lose... even if the dealers busts too.
HotUKDealsHobo25/07/2020 09:16

To add to this for every £100 bet you only get £90 back on average, then o …To add to this for every £100 bet you only get £90 back on average, then of that £90 bet, £81 return on average, of that £81, £72 and so on...In short you can rinse a £100 in no time, the casino always wins


The rtp on roulette is 97.3% so you get more like £97.30 back for every £100 on average but ye the theory is correct
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