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    does anyone know if there are rules car auctions have to adhere too??

    my dad only gone and bought yet another car at a local car auction, i drove it half way home today and it was awful! shuddered, grinding gears when it was in gear, orange engine light on as a warning, engine had little or no power i had to drive up the hill with hazzards on cos it kept stopping.

    I spotted the orange warning light before we even left and questioned the auction house who sent " the manager " out to me. he said " the car has an MOT, no faults reported, no we dont look at the dashboard, no refunds, sold as seen" which i understand fully.
    now i take the car to our garage who is top class and never let me down and he said he has no idea how the car passed the MOT last week as the gear box is knackered ( to replace £400/500 without labout) and the main electrics box/computer is dead and this is causing all the other problems, he said its beyond economical repair.
    this part is going to cost over £600 before labour as it needs coding to the car ( nissan almera 2005 plate)
    do these places have a set standard of rules that are governed by someone?
    we tried trading standards and even though they have had over 100 complaints they cant do a thing because its sold as seen.

    my dad is gutted its the second car hes had from there thats worth more in scrap value then to repair it. told him not to go there again but he wont listen

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    you should check where the MOT was, and get the appropriate people to look into it (DVLA/police/not sure)

    That might stop em from doing it again, sell every little part might get more than you expect!
    Is it from Manheim? What auction/where?

    Banned

    Get the mot certificate and type it into this site, it will tell you if the certificate is legit and whether any faults were found on that one or any previous MOTs

    direct.gov.uk/en/…539

    now i take the car to our garage who is top class and never let me down and he said he has no idea how the car passed the MOT last week as the gear box is knackered

    I was an M.O.T tester many years ago, and can never remember testing a gearbox.
    Is this a new part of the test?

    some took a backhander to supply the mot then? their stamp will be on the certificate-give them a ring and ask them how they passed it-if this was motd last week with all these faults(which Im sure can be proved to have existed then) report them

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    lumoruk

    Get the mot certificate and type it into this site, it will tell you if … Get the mot certificate and type it into this site, it will tell you if the certificate is legit and whether any faults were found on that one or any previous MOTshttp://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_10020539


    thank you for that link, ive emailed it to him and i'll check myself in the morning as he has the mot,

    the mot looks genuine but will find out tomorrow.
    the auction is Newport car auctions, gwent. dont bother hun they sell deadly cars.

    thesaint

    now i take the car to our garage who is top class and never let me down … now i take the car to our garage who is top class and never let me down and he said he has no idea how the car passed the MOT last week as the gear box is knackeredI was an M.O.T tester many years ago, and can never remember testing a gearbox.Is this a new part of the test?



    the electric box surely is tho? or isnt it?

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    thesaint

    now i take the car to our garage who is top class and never let me down … now i take the car to our garage who is top class and never let me down and he said he has no idea how the car passed the MOT last week as the gear box is knackeredI was an M.O.T tester many years ago, and can never remember testing a gearbox.Is this a new part of the test?



    no i think he ment the engine management module cos the immisions where through the roof amoungst other things

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    barky i have no idea hun it might be because of the engine management thingy

    barky

    the electric box surely is tho? or isnt it?



    If the "Electric Box" is the E.C.U. then "no" it's not.
    If it were dead, the car wouldn't start, let alone drive anywhere.

    Banned

    None of the faults stated are an MOT failure

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    thesaint

    If the "Electric Box" is the E.C.U. then "no" it's not.If it were dead, … If the "Electric Box" is the E.C.U. then "no" it's not.If it were dead, the car wouldn't start, let alone drive anywhere.



    you could drive it albeit in 1st and at less then 5 mph, then it would just stop dead rev and then go idle. wait a couple of minute and it would go again

    thesaint

    If the "Electric Box" is the E.C.U. then "no" it's not.If it were dead, … If the "Electric Box" is the E.C.U. then "no" it's not.If it were dead, the car wouldn't start, let alone drive anywhere.



    cool-I have zero idea about cars-dont drive-mrs barky just takes car to garage for a yearly service/mot and apart from the odd tyre needing replaced never had any problems-cars are a mystery to me!

    vinylandtrinkets

    my dad is gutted its the second car hes had from there thats worth more … my dad is gutted its the second car hes had from there thats worth more in scrap value then to repair it. told him not to go there again but he wont listen



    Dads!

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    barky thats me in this house, our car had no oil in it when i took it for the MOT in Dec. hubby forgot!
    Damnone yes dads pain in the bum never listen.
    my car has fail on emmisions ( cant spell to tired) a few times over the years so i know thats part of the MOT and thats one of the faults

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    whatsThePoint

    Put the car back into auction and tell your dad to take someone who knows … Put the car back into auction and tell your dad to take someone who knows about cars with him next time


    Ive told him that hes thinking about it, hes to honest for his own good cos if he did he'd list the faults
    the guy from our garage has offered loads of time to take him to make sure hes not caught again. my dad is a very stubborn 68 year old

    all the faults would not stop the car passing the m o t ,
    you need to no what your looking for in auctions and no alot about cars!!!!!
    i buy about 15 cars a year from are local auction make about £400 profit on each car , the ex reps cars are good . hi milage but great service history these new engines will do 200 000 miles now if looked after so a 4 year old car with 90 000 on isnt a problem no more

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    dimebars

    None of the faults stated are an MOT failure


    direct.gov.uk/en/…109
    it says on here fuel and emissions and thats part of what that module does i think

    If the emmisions are through the roof it shouldnt have passed an mot but prove that it was like it at time of mot! . The auction house domt have any obligation unless there was the auction houses independant inspection on the vehicle which is only on some vehicles and costs the seller, there would habe been a sticker in window stating this and what was done. If not its your dads fault thats why auctions are cheaper, for the risk involved, always take someone who knows about cars with you .

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    yozzman1234

    all the faults would not stop the car passing the m o t ,you need to no … all the faults would not stop the car passing the m o t ,you need to no what your looking for in auctions and no alot about cars!!!!!i buy about 15 cars a year from are local auction make about £400 profit on each car , the ex reps cars are good . hi milage but great service history these new engines will do 200 000 miles now if looked after so a 4 year old car with 90 000 on isnt a problem no more



    thanks for that tip about the reps cars i'll tell him because nothing is going to stop him buying at auctions just not this one again

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    dc7911

    If the emmisions are through the roof it shouldnt have passed an mot but … If the emmisions are through the roof it shouldnt have passed an mot but prove that it was like it at time of mot! . The auction house domt have any obligation unless there was the auction houses independant inspection on the vehicle which is only on some vehicles and costs the seller, there would habe been a sticker in window stating this and what was done. If not its your dads fault thats why auctions are cheaper, for the risk involved, always take someone who knows about cars with you .



    thanks hun, i didnt notice any other sticker only the lot number one

    Can't you put him in an home?

    On a serious note, What's to say the ecu fault didn't occur after the MOT? Unlikely yes, but still probable, Gearbox is a none testable item. Also an MOT doesn't mean it's safe, Only at the time it was tested.

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    vinylandtrinkets

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022109it says … http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022109it says on here fuel and emissions and thats part of what that module does i think



    what you think

    the MOT cert says you are wrong though.........

    The emission's might of been fine at the time of MOT, You can't really prove anything.

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    oh well chalk it down to another experience , thanks for he tips and the link
    dimebar not sure why but my garage checks a lot more then on that website when they do MOT's
    guess we'll never know if these faults were there when the mot was done
    anyone know anything about the society for motor auctions?

    Banned

    If you were a garage would you not "check more"

    How else would you make money

    on the mot certificate what date was it issued ? also there is a box which says whether a vt32 (advice sheet) was issued.

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    dimebars

    If you were a garage would you not "check more"How else would you make … If you were a garage would you not "check more"How else would you make money



    lol true but i only ever pay him for the mot, and get the work done with my hubby mate in work , more so if my garage is charging to much

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    richp

    on the mot certificate what date was it issued ? also there is a box … on the mot certificate what date was it issued ? also there is a box which says whether a vt32 (advice sheet) was issued.


    there was an advice sheet it mentioned a tire would need changing and they didnt test the rear seat belts as child seats were fitted

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    whatsThePoint

    The auction house did nothing wrong, they aren't responsible for the road … The auction house did nothing wrong, they aren't responsible for the road worthy condition of cars sold there, plus they clearly state in their t&c that all cars are sold as seen



    would you class them as a trader? and your proberly right they did nothing wrong in their terms and conditions but im sorry it is wrong to sell cars that are not road worthy, yes thats my opinion not theirs

    vinylandtrinkets

    there was an advice sheet it mentioned a tire would need changing and … there was an advice sheet it mentioned a tire would need changing and they didnt test the rear seat belts as child seats were fitted



    what date was it issued ?

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    richp

    what date was it issued ?



    off the top of my head hun it was in the first 2 weeks of Jan this year, i thought maybe the mot was last year thats why i doubled checked it, i dont remember the exact date

    vinylandtrinkets

    off the top of my head hun it was in the first 2 weeks of Jan this year, … off the top of my head hun it was in the first 2 weeks of Jan this year, i thought maybe the mot was last year thats why i doubled checked it, i dont remember the exact date



    I'm a mechanic & mot tester, I''d always tell someone that has/having trouble with an MOT to appeal it,appeal form VT17 here,but it's whether you want to go to the expense, sounds like it was shifted through the auctions because of the problems it has. Might be worth putting it down to experience, but I see its not the 1st time.

    Statutory Appeal Against the Issue of a VT20 An owner or presenter of a … Statutory Appeal Against the Issue of a VT20 An owner or presenter of a vehicle has the right to complain against the issue of a test certificate. Any complainant must be given a Notice of Appeal form (VT17) and told to send the completed form to the local VOSA Office. VOSA will arrange for the vehicle to be re-examined if the alleged defects appear to call into question the test result providing there is a reasonable chance of assessing what the vehicle's condition had been at the time of test. It is not possible to make a blanket ruling on how long after the test such an assessment can be made. It is, however, unlikely that mechanical defects can be assessed for complaints made more than 28 days after test or that corrosion defects can be assessed for complaints made more than 3 months after test. Any repairs made to the vehicle also make such an assessment less likely to be relevant

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    richp thank you so much, ive printed the form to send off , I phoned my dad had the mot test number and the log book number and the mot cant be found, the logbook says no test cert.

    so looks like theres a problem with the mot.
    thanks for all the advice guys richp your a star!

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    just a quick update, the engine caught fire last night when my dad was driving, fire dept made it safe and he drove it home, only minor damage to the bonnet.
    the RAC been out today and theres only one sensor gone on the car now which might have caused the little fire. my dads been on the phone to his credit card company after being advised to do so by consumer direct and they will recover the money as the car is classed as dangerous. section 75 i think he said.

    vinylandtrinkets

    just a quick update, the engine caught fire last night when my dad was … just a quick update, the engine caught fire last night when my dad was driving, fire dept made it safe and he drove it home, only minor damage to the bonnet. the RAC been out today and theres only one sensor gone on the car now which might have caused the little fire. my dads been on the phone to his credit card company after being advised to do so by consumer direct and they will recover the money as the car is classed as dangerous. section 75 i think he said.



    blimey, he doesn't have much luck does he ! glad he's ok though.Its good that you are getting your money back.
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