Does democracy work?

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Anyone ever watch BBC Parliament? If you watch it right now, you'll see about 30 MPs. When they are all there for something like PMQs, they shout at each other like school kids.

Isn't it all a bit silly?

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isnt that how british politics always worked (and prob ever will)?
Anyways, at least it adds some drama and keeps the mps on their toes - so only the best arguements can go forward.

They are like a cancer destorying you, without you realising. Some realise, most dont and get destoryed.

To be honest, compared to other countries we are spoiled , we have free speech (true free speech), unfortunatly the poliees dont really care, all they care about is there expenses , leadership, and next pay check !?

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Artonox;4978719

isnt that how british politics always worked (and prob ever … isnt that how british politics always worked (and prob ever will)?Anyways, at least it adds some drama and keeps the mps on their toes - so only the best arguements can go forward.



Watching grown men and women jeering as someone talks is not exactly rational debate. The drama seems purely for the cameras.

On another unrelated point, the BNP apparently have a handbook that tells their supporters to wear hats to cover their skinheads. Funny in a strange way.

One would've assumed their white hoods would suffice.

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Does democracy work?
No.
No matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in.

Wow, I feel like I am back at school, surely you have already discussed this at length and completed essays on such subjects?

Nevermind, if not, the answer of course will be "it's probably better than the alternatives".

Not silly at all. Good balance between formality (stops punches being thrown) and wit / serious probing.

And PMQT makes compulsive viewing. The one half hour slot I try not to miss each week. Even got tickets through my local MP to go and watch it live year before last. Great stuff!

Maybe we should vote on it... Who votes that we vote on whether democracy works.

Quite like BBC parliament, can spy on my brother-in-law at work

FilthAndFurry;4978781

Watching grown men and women jeering as someone talks is not exactly … Watching grown men and women jeering as someone talks is not exactly rational debate. The drama seems purely for the cameras.On another unrelated point, the BNP apparently have a handbook that tells their supporters to wear hats to cover their skinheads. Funny in a strange way.One would've assumed their white hoods would suffice.



Their "skin-headed" supporters, as not all have skin heads. Although my BNP supporting mortgage broker does.

we should not mistake democracy with our parliament. you get democracy in local elections etc as well.

our parliament is overwhelming in its traditions. The reason why they always sit in the same seats, shout at each other - because they always have. A useful lesson in how aparently intelligent people can be made to do stupid things just because it is expected of them or because others are doing it too.

but this is not the fault of democracy - it is the fault that our democracy is for and run by human beings.

Same goes for those in power. I recall a quote which said that anyone seeking power was inherently unsuited to getting power as their personality must be flawed in some way.

ianstanley;4978841

we should not mistake democracy with our parliament. you get democracy in … we should not mistake democracy with our parliament. you get democracy in local elections etc as well.our parliament is overwhelming in its traditions. The reason why they always sit in the same seats, shout at each other - because they always have. A useful lesson in how aparently intelligent people can be made to do stupid things just because it is expected of them or because others are doing it too.but this is not the fault of democracy - it is the fault that our democracy is for and run by human beings.Same goes for those in power. I recall a quote which said that anyone seeking power was inherently unsuited to getting power as their personality must be flawed in some way.



Nice post. That deserves some rep to get you another liddle red dot :thumbsup:

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Liddle ol' me;4978853

Nice post. That deserves some rep to get you another liddle red dot … Nice post. That deserves some rep to get you another liddle red dot :thumbsup:



Agreed. Well put that poster.

ianstanley;4978841

we should not mistake democracy with our parliament. you get democracy in … we should not mistake democracy with our parliament. you get democracy in local elections etc as well.our parliament is overwhelming in its traditions. The reason why they always sit in the same seats, shout at each other - because they always have. A useful lesson in how aparently intelligent people can be made to do stupid things just because it is expected of them or because others are doing it too.but this is not the fault of democracy - it is the fault that our democracy is for and run by human beings.Same goes for those in power. I recall a quote which said that anyone seeking power was inherently unsuited to getting power as their personality must be flawed in some way.



Nice post. So from your argument, are you infering that as long as we are human, we will never get perfect democracy?

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Now we've solved that, anyone seen Ahmadinejad getting heckled.

(not off topic because I mentioned the BNP earlier)

Prime Ministers Question Time is NOT how British politics works.

It is just for "show", a bit of posturing, a chance to score of few cheap points off the current prime minister.

REAL politics goes on in the hundreds of meetings and discussions that go on behind the scenes that most of us are totally unware of.

These very same MPs who shout and jeer at each other in PMQ are quite happy to sit next to each other and work together on committees and other groups.

And yes you are right, it is a bit silly and just gives politics a bad image.

FilthAndFurry;4979014

Now we've solved that, anyone seen Ahmadinejad getting heckled. (not off … Now we've solved that, anyone seen Ahmadinejad getting heckled. (not off topic because I mentioned the BNP earlier)



Yeah, ive seen the walkouts and the clowns. this kinda echoes the above post somewhere. But then again, are they stupid for doing it?
I don't want to sway your mind here as thinking about it can lead someone to think it is.
They obviously done it for a purpose, so is it clever that they have done it? Have they successfully put their message across?

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Artonox;4979121

Yeah, ive seen the walkouts and the clowns. this kinda echoes the above … Yeah, ive seen the walkouts and the clowns. this kinda echoes the above post somewhere. But then again, are they stupid for doing it?I don't want to sway your mind here as thinking about it can lead someone to think it is.They obviously done it for a purpose, so is it clever that they have done it? Have they successfully put their message across?



I think it always helps to mock racist statements such as the one Mahmood was making. I think the delegates walking out was perhaps the bigger statement, although they all should've walked out and left him in an empty room.

FilthAndFurry;4979014

Now we've solved that, anyone seen Ahmadinejad getting heckled. (not off … Now we've solved that, anyone seen Ahmadinejad getting heckled. (not off topic because I mentioned the BNP earlier)



Where? When? Missed that

FilthAndFurry;4979182

I think it always helps to mock racist statements such as the one Mahmood … I think it always helps to mock racist statements such as the one Mahmood was making. I think the delegates walking out was perhaps the bigger statement, although they all should've walked out and left him in an empty room.



lol that would be epic
then again, the effect on that speaker surely had him sweating his head off.
I feel that his emotions are slowly chewing him up, so in this case, Im sure that it has created a scene where people are becoming less confident in Ahmadinejad, both globally and in the very room.

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Liddle ol' me;4979264

Where? When? Missed that



A UN anti-racism conference (?!)

news.bbc.co.uk/1/h…stm

Artonox;4979267

lol that would be epic :Dthen again, the effect on that speaker surely … lol that would be epic :Dthen again, the effect on that speaker surely had him sweating his head off.I feel that his emotions are slowly chewing him up, so in this case, Im sure that it has created a scene where people are becoming less confident in Ahmadinejad, both globally and in the very room.



True.

Democracy works on this forum for sure, given the way spamming works for certain taboo topics.

Not a bad thing either. Trying to shout down or silence those with different ideological positions is obviously better than physical sanctions.

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Liddle ol' me;4979458

Democracy works on this forum for sure, given the way spamming works for … Democracy works on this forum for sure, given the way spamming works for certain taboo topics.Not a bad thing either. Trying to shout down or silence those with different ideological positions is obviously better than physical sanctions.



Shame really. I was all up for being converted by that lovely chap.

FilthAndFurry;4979283

A UN anti-racism conference … A UN anti-racism conference (?!)http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8008572.stm



Thanks. Just watched it, and yes, that was quite a statement they made. A pity more didn't have the courage to do so though. I'm looking forward to hearing exactly which country's delegates did. As mentioned above, I think this will have an effect, especially at a time when Iran are being awarded soft diplomacy from the US. This should rattle thinking citizens and undermine his position much more than any statement from other heads of state. Well done those delegates! :thumbsup:
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