Drivers with >12 points being allowed to carry on Driving by appealing

Its ridiculous that dangerous drivers are allowed to carry on driving by appealing that to ban or suspend their driving license would cause hardship - needs a crackdown to prevent accidents!!

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bbc.co.uk/new…658

A driver who clocked up 62 points on his licence is still allowed to drive, the BBC has learned.
The West Yorkshire man, who was speeding, was among 10,000 motorists legally driving on British roads last month, despite having excessive points.
Usually 12 points means a ban, but magistrates can choose not to enforce it in "exceptional cases".
Brian Cornick, who lost his stepdaughter in a motorbike accident, said there should be "no excuses".

ridiculous, there should be no exceptions,12 points banned, end of.
this must purely be the rich getting round this, if I want to insure someone, the max is 6.

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shadey12

ridiculous, there should be no exceptions,12 points banned, end of.this … ridiculous, there should be no exceptions,12 points banned, end of.this must purely be the rich getting round this, if I want to insure someone, the max is 6.


unless they arent insured either?

davewave

unless they arent insured either?



​there not legally driving though.
same as someone who's banned or doesn't have a licence cannot legally drive.
these people have still got a valid licence.
it takes a good solicitor or legal team ( hence expensive) to keep your license.

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shadey12

​there not legally driving though.same as someone who's banned or doesn't … ​there not legally driving though.same as someone who's banned or doesn't have a licence cannot legally drive.these people have still got a valid licence.it takes a good solicitor or legal team ( hence expensive) to keep your license.


Magistrates need to make a decision on an appeal - "Automatic disqualification can be avoided or reduced in cases of 'exceptional hardship'.

Where is the evidence that this is correlated with wealth?

(more than likely people who drive for a living and who have children)

I remember watching or reading an interview with nick freeman (the solicitor mentioned in the article) when asked how much he charged, his answer was " if you have to ask, you can't afford"

davewave

Magistrates need to make a decision on an appeal - "Automatic … Magistrates need to make a decision on an appeal - "Automatic disqualification can be avoided or reduced in cases of 'exceptional hardship'. Where is the evidence that this is correlated with wealth? (more than likely people who drive for a living and who have children)



​if you drive for a living or have children you should be even more careful.
you wouldn't employ a builder if his houses collapsed just because he'd built a lot.

In theory you could go for a long motorway drive and pass through several cameras doing a little over the speed limit and get 12 points without causing any major danger in 1 hit. but 62 points is stupid to still be allowed. speed alone is not as dangerous as its made out to be.

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shadey12

​if you drive for a living or have children you should be even more c … ​if you drive for a living or have children you should be even more careful.you wouldn't employ a builder if his houses collapsed just because he'd built a lot.


I totally agree, the magistrates are giving a pass to those who are the most dangerous

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o0bean0o0head0o

In theory you could go for a long motorway drive and pass through several … In theory you could go for a long motorway drive and pass through several cameras doing a little over the speed limit and get 12 points without causing any major danger in 1 hit. but 62 points is stupid to still be allowed. speed alone is not as dangerous as its made out to be.


I have driven since I was 17 , never had a single point.
There is no excuse, if you speed consistently on a motorway you could cause an accident in a high risk environment.

o0bean0o0head0o

In theory you could go for a long motorway drive and pass through several … In theory you could go for a long motorway drive and pass through several cameras doing a little over the speed limit and get 12 points without causing any major danger in 1 hit. but 62 points is stupid to still be allowed. speed alone is not as dangerous as its made out to be.



​i think this may possibly be the only exception when maybe you rack them up in a week before you get the first one. good luck on the insurance though. which comes back to my original point if you have money, you're alright

just to make it clear, before any speculation, I am from West Yorkshire and have a clean licence.

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shadey12

just to make it clear, before any speculation, I am from West Yorkshire … just to make it clear, before any speculation, I am from West Yorkshire and have a clean licence.


Ha Ha, just be careful on the roads given the fact one of your neighbours might have a lot of points!!!

davewave

Ha Ha, just be careful on the roads given the fact one of your neighbours … Ha Ha, just be careful on the roads given the fact one of your neighbours might have a lot of points!!!



​cant claim to have never had any, back in the 90s when cameras were not hi vis, a road I was travelling on went from 50 to 30, the sign and the camera were obscured by trees.
wouldn't have happened today, everyone has a camera for evidence gathering, easier to find out your rights and the camera looks like a big fluorescent lollipop.

o0bean0o0head0o

In theory you could go for a long motorway drive and pass through several … In theory you could go for a long motorway drive and pass through several cameras doing a little over the speed limit and get 12 points without causing any major danger in 1 hit. but 62 points is stupid to still be allowed. speed alone is not as dangerous as its made out to be.



​There was one of the guys at work that worked in London and had to go in on the A13 each day.

He had been going in for 20+ years when it was 70mph on the dual carriage way, but they changed it to 50mph a while back and he did not realise until just over a week when he had been caught 10 times (once going into London and once out each day for a working week getting caught at 60-70mph).

He was allowed to keep his licence as he did not notice the limit had changed as it had been 70mph for years and did not notice the cameras as they do not flash.

He was allowed to keep his licence although had a fine of over £2,000.
Edited by: "Dragon32" 23rd Feb

Original Poster

Losing a job on its own would rarely qualify, but proving it would mean being unable to pay a mortgage or feed your family, would.

shadey12

everyone has a camera for evidence gathering, easier to find out your … everyone has a camera for evidence gathering, easier to find out your rights and the camera looks like a big fluorescent lollipop.


Not when the speed camera is held by some crafty PCSO just round a bend partly obscured by a tree.

RonChew

Not when the speed camera is held by some crafty PCSO just round a bend … Not when the speed camera is held by some crafty PCSO just round a bend partly obscured by a tree.



​if there was a tree in front of the 30 sign, I think you would have a case.

davewave

I have driven since I was 17 , never had a single point.There is no … I have driven since I was 17 , never had a single point.There is no excuse, if you speed consistently on a motorway you could cause an accident in a high risk environment.



​ive been driving since 1998 and regularly exceed the speed limit. the only accident ive been involved in was where i was doing less than 10 mph. and have no points.

i dont speed in high risk areas near schools etc, but its speed combined with road conditions or lack of attention that is dangerous.

also some speed limits are inappropriate for the road. there are country lanes with national speed limits that you would have to be mental to do more than 40 on and there are major roads limited to 40 / 50 that would be no more dangerous at 60.

"Greater London topped the table at 1,385 people over the 12 points, while the Shetland Islands had one person"

Surprise, It's the remoaners again and they claim us Northerners lack intelligence yet they can't even stick to the speed limits etc..
Edited by: "shauneco" 23rd Feb

Right now on the Coventry, Alum Rock and Ladypool Roads I see so many drivers who in normal cases would be stopped and slapped with tons of points on their licences but there are no traffic police bothering to do their job properly, also a lot of scummy driving instructors who are like "hey you know how to get a car moving, forget the essential manoeuvres like turn in the road and bay parking you don't need them, here's your licence!"

Right now on the Coventry, Alum Rock and Ladypool Roads I see so many drivers who in normal cases would be stopped and slapped with tons of points on their licences but there are no traffic police bothering to do their job properly, also a lot of driving instructors who are like "hey you know how to get a car moving, forget the essential manoeuvres like turn in the road and bay parking you don't need them, here's your licence!"

shauneco

"Greater London topped the table at 1,385 people over the 12 points, … "Greater London topped the table at 1,385 people over the 12 points, while the Shetland Islands had one person"Surprise, It's the remoaners again and they claim us Northerners lack intelligence yet they can't even stick to the speed limits etc..


It's because Brexiters can only afford old wrecks that can't get above 30 MPH except down hills.

Sometimes speed limits change constantly, it's easy to be caught out, and for me I switch most days between my car and my commercial vehicle, in the van its 50mph on the open road and I got caught by forgetting I wasn't in my car.
Edited by: "airfix" 23rd Feb

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o0bean0o0head0o

​ive been driving since 1998 and regularly exceed the speed limit. the o … ​ive been driving since 1998 and regularly exceed the speed limit. the only accident ive been involved in was where i was doing less than 10 mph. and have no points. i dont speed in high risk areas near schools etc, but its speed combined with road conditions or lack of attention that is dangerous. also some speed limits are inappropriate for the road. there are country lanes with national speed limits that you would have to be mental to do more than 40 on and there are major roads limited to 40 / 50 that would be no more dangerous at 60.


Statistically you are likely to be in a more serious accident by speeding, despite your 'expertise'.

If you cause an accident you will have to live with the emotional consequences of deaths or injuries caused to others.


SpeedIt’s 30 for a reason


The difference of a few miles per hour can mean the difference between life and death. The faster someone is driving, the less time they have to stop if something unexpected happens.

If you kill someone while speeding, you will have to live with the long-term emotional consequences.

Speed limits are there for a reason.


The facts


Speed is one of the main factors in fatal road accidents

In 2013, 3,064 people were killed or seriously injured in crashes where speed was a factor

The risk of death is approximately four times higher when a pedestrian is hit at 40mph than at 30mph

Fatal accidents are four times as likely on rural “A” roads as urban “A” roads


RonChew

It's because Brexiters can only afford old wrecks that can't get above 30 … It's because Brexiters can only afford old wrecks that can't get above 30 MPH except down hills.


No Ronald, It's because we're all law abiding citizens that don't speed and can add up ;), Guess how many points I haven't got on my license ;).

My car could easily exceed speeds of over 125mph but I stick to the speed limits, Don't drink and drive or use my mobile whilst driving etc.

shauneco

"Greater London topped the table at 1,385 people over the 12 points, … "Greater London topped the table at 1,385 people over the 12 points, while the Shetland Islands had one person"Surprise, It's the remoaners again and they claim us Northerners lack intelligence yet they can't even stick to the speed limits etc..



​i mean seriously what has this got to do with Brexit?

are you just going round HotUkDeals trying to start arguments? have you not got anything better to be doing with your time?

RonChew

It's because Brexiters can only afford old wrecks that can't get above 30 … It's because Brexiters can only afford old wrecks that can't get above 30 MPH except down hills.



Mine does 0 - 60 mph in 6 seconds.

adamspencer95

​i mean seriously what has this got to do with Brexit?are you just going r … ​i mean seriously what has this got to do with Brexit?are you just going round HotUkDeals trying to start arguments? have you not got anything better to be doing with your time?


It's just banter, Chillax.

RonChew

It's because Brexiters can only afford old wrecks that can't get above 30 … It's because Brexiters can only afford old wrecks that can't get above 30 MPH except down hills.



​nothing to do with nick "the loophole" freeman

shauneco

No Ronald, It's because we're all law abiding citizens that don't speed … No Ronald, It's because we're all law abiding citizens that don't speed and can add up ;), Guess how many points I haven't got on my license ;).My car could easily exceed speeds of over 125mph but I stick to the speed limits, Don't drink and drive or use my mobile whilst driving etc.



​to be fair Ron thinks we've got a ferret in each pocket a whippet and we work down pit. our houses (read slums) still have an outside lavvy, no running water, we bath once a week and only wash our clothes on a Monday. oh we race pigeons as well.

shadey12

​to be fair Ron thinks we've got a ferret in each pocket a whippet and we … ​to be fair Ron thinks we've got a ferret in each pocket a whippet and we work down pit. our houses (read slums) still have an outside lavvy, no running water, we bath once a week and only wash our clothes on a Monday. oh we race pigeons as well.


Nonsense, I don't bath at all ;).

shauneco

Nonsense, I don't bath at all ;).



​if you have a strip wash once a month (whether you need it or not) the southerners sneer at you.
ridiculous.

shauneco

"Greater London topped the table at 1,385 people over the 12 points, … "Greater London topped the table at 1,385 people over the 12 points, while the Shetland Islands had one person"


Tbf, those ponies do only have little legs.

airfix

Mine does 0 - 60 mph in 6 seconds.


Most cars do when driven off the side of a cliff. (_;)

RonChew

Most cars do when driven off the side of a cliff. (_;)



I knew that one was coming!

adamspencer95

​i mean seriously what has this got to do with Brexit?are you just going r … ​i mean seriously what has this got to do with Brexit?are you just going round HotUkDeals trying to start arguments? have you not got anything better to be doing with your time?


It's not Sunday so it's not bath night. It's not Monday, so it's not laundry day. And it's probably too windy to go out wearing their ecky thump caps. So, the answer is that the northern contingent have nothing else to do today than cause trouble on Misc.

airfix

I knew that one was coming!


It wasn't me doing the willy waving!

RonChew

It wasn't me doing the willy waving!




Mind bleach!!

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