Ebaay changes policies for 99p auction starts

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Found 2nd Apr 2010
April 2010


***Selling limits for private sellers on ebay.co.uk and ebay.ie***

01 April, 2010 | 02:36PM BST


In March 2009 we introduced zero insertion fees for private sellers in the UK and Ireland who list items in Auction Style Format with a starting price of 99p/99c or lower. Since this launch there has been a significant increase in both the number and variety of items listed for sale. This has been welcomed by buyers who are finding great deals and sellers who have seen an overall increase in the number of buyers.

However, some sellers have been taking advantage of this pricing to list very large volumes of lower quality goods, creating a poor experience for buyers and other sellers. We have taken steps in recent months to keep the marketplace in balance, and today we are announcing further changes as detailed below:

1.) For private sellers registered on the eBay.co.uk and eBay.ie sites

From this week private sellers with a feedback score of less than 25, will be automatically limited to 100 live listings/total quantity at any point in time on ebay.co.uk and ebay.ie.
Any private seller listing in high volumes will be reviewed by Customer Support , and potentially required to upgrade to business status or be blocked from listing on ebay.co.uk and ebay.ie.
2.) For overseas private sellers listing directly on ebay.co.uk and ebay.ie.

Sellers registered on the ebay.com site are bound by the International Trading Policy, which now requires high volume sellers actively listing on European sites to be registered as business sellers. Breaches of this policy may result in a range of actions, including demotion in search and being blocked from listing on ebay.co.uk and ebay.ie.
Private sellers registered on all other international sites are now automatically limited to 100 live listings/total quantity at any point in time on ebay.co.uk and ebay.ie.
3.) For all private sellers listing directly on ebay.co.uk and ebay.ie.

From June 2010 all private sellers will be limited to 100 free auction-style listings per month. Auction-style listings beyond 100 will be allowed, but will be charged an insertion fee.







forced to be a business seller???? they make me laugh. more beaurocracy than a communist state or the EU for instance

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Banned

What's wrong with that? If you are selling over 100 items a month then its highly likely that you aren't a private seller or your just selling a load of rubbish

Banned

Yet another way of ebay extorting monies from private sellers. It gets more like amazon every day

Banned

TBH, it's a good thing. Too many people are tacking the mick causing listing issues and also denying the buyer their consumer rights, by trading as a personal when they should be a business, or just listing crap no-one wants.

I think it's fair I can't see for the life of me why a private trader would not be happy with 100 listings a month, I think beyond that and they really are probably a business in 99% of cases, so should be registered as such.

Banned

Paddy Charlie;8268998

What's wrong with that? If you are selling over 100 items a month then … What's wrong with that? If you are selling over 100 items a month then its highly likely that you aren't a private seller or your just selling a load of rubbish



Not always, i sell sim cards on ebay, and can afford to sell them for 99p purely because of the free listing,

and yes you do need volume listings to get noticed.

Banned

Paddy Charlie;8268998

What's wrong with that? If you are selling over 100 items a month then … What's wrong with that? If you are selling over 100 items a month then its highly likely that you aren't a private seller or your just selling a load of rubbish



+1, i very much doubt theres anyone who regulary sells over 100 items a month who shouldn't be a business seller.

lottysdad08;8269000

Yet another way of ebay extorting monies from private sellers. It gets … Yet another way of ebay extorting monies from private sellers. It gets more like amazon every day



extorting, yeah ok. Because they force you to use them don't they?

Banned

lottysdad08;8269012

Not always, i sell sim cards on ebay, and can afford to sell them for 99p … Not always, i sell sim cards on ebay, and can afford to sell them for 99p purely because of the free listing, and yes you do need volume listings to get noticed.



So your selling sim cards for what fun? Or a profit, even a small one? Selling high volumes like that will make you a business then.

No it's not worth selling low value goods on the bay as a business.

Banned

lottysdad08;8269012

Not always, i sell sim cards on ebay, and can afford to sell them for 99p … Not always, i sell sim cards on ebay, and can afford to sell them for 99p purely because of the free listing, and yes you do need volume listings to get noticed.



so you are trading as a business but not registered as one on ebay? hmmmm, and I wonder why ebay are clamping down on it?

Banned

lottysdad08;8269012

Not always, i sell sim cards on ebay, and can afford to sell them for 99p … Not always, i sell sim cards on ebay, and can afford to sell them for 99p purely because of the free listing, and yes you do need volume listings to get noticed.



Exactly selling rubbish like I said!! Getting free sim cards to sell them on for tiny profit isn't exactly going to get you onto Dragon's Den

Banned

Paddy Charlie;8269040

Exactly selling rubbish like I said!! Getting free sim cards to sell them … Exactly selling rubbish like I said!! Getting free sim cards to sell them on for tiny profit isn't exactly going to get you onto Dragon's Den



I wish i could get 150 - 200 sim cards a month for free, although yes i do only make a marginal profit from the actual sale i get paid commision from the networks.


Yes i should be registered as a buisness but hey - ho, Like tinkerbell pointed out, i would make a loss on the actuall sale if i was registered as a buisness due to the extra fees.

O and incidently: One of the networks deposited just under £200 into my bank yesterday for last month, Not going to get me on dragons den but does pay for a few little extras

tinkerbell28;8269011

TBH, it's a good thing. Too many people are tacking the mick causing … TBH, it's a good thing. Too many people are tacking the mick causing listing issues and also denying the buyer their consumer rights, by trading as a personal when they should be a business, or just listing crap no-one wants.I think it's fair I can't see for the life of me why a private trader would not be happy with 100 listings a month, I think beyond that and they really are probably a business in 99% of cases, so should be registered as such.



Do you work for Ebay or Paypal? :whistling:

Banned

lottysdad08;8269055

I wish i could get 150 - 200 sim cards a month for free, although yes i … I wish i could get 150 - 200 sim cards a month for free, although yes i do only make a marginal profit from the actual sale i get paid commision from the networks.Yes i should be registered as a buisness but hey - ho, Like tinkerbell pointed out, i would make a loss on the actuall sale if i was registered as a buisness due to the extra fees.O and incidently: One of the networks deposited just under £200 into my bank yesterday for last month, Not going to get me on dragons den but does pay for a few little extras



Still does not matter you should be a business under ebay, you are one of the reasons they are clamping down and under the eyes of the law you should also be registered as a business with HMRC and informing your buyers of your business details clearly and freely, it's actually a criminal offence not to.

KERMITZBITZ;8269061

Do you work for Ebay or Paypal? :whistling:



Neither, I just have common sense and can read

Banned

lottysdad08;8269055

I wish i could get 150 - 200 sim cards a month for free, although yes i … I wish i could get 150 - 200 sim cards a month for free, although yes i do only make a marginal profit from the actual sale i get paid commision from the networks.Yes i should be registered as a buisness but hey - ho, Like tinkerbell pointed out, i would make a loss on the actuall sale if i was registered as a buisness due to the extra fees.O and incidently: One of the networks deposited just under £200 into my bank for last month, Not going to get me on dragons den but does pay for a few little extras



So you are complaining because ebay are clamping down on people like you? Not that I think theres much wrong (well assuming you are registered with HMRC etc) and good luck to you making a few extra quid in this climate, but its a bit rich to complain when you are part of the reason they are doing it.

Banned

lottysdad08;8269055

I wish i could get 150 - 200 sim cards a month for free, although yes i … I wish i could get 150 - 200 sim cards a month for free, although yes i do only make a marginal profit from the actual sale i get paid commision from the networks.Yes i should be registered as a buisness but hey - ho, Like tinkerbell pointed out, i would make a loss on the actuall sale if i was registered as a buisness due to the extra fees.O and incidently: One of the networks deposited just under £200 into my bank for last month, Not going to get me on dragons den but does pay for a few little extras



So its users like you that are making ebay have to bring in the rule change as you are conning the system by acting as a private seller when you aren't one, so you only have yourself to blame and have just shown that ebay are right to change the rules

Banned

tinkerbell28;8269085

Still does not matter you should be a business under ebay, you are one of … Still does not matter you should be a business under ebay, you are one of the reasons they are clamping down and under the eyes of the law you should also be registered as a business with HMRC and informing your buyers of your business details clearly and freely, it's actually a criminal offence not to.Neither, I just have common sense and can read




I am registered with HMRC ( am self employed anyway) and i do declare these earnings at the end of the year. I use ebay purely as a mechanism for distributing these sim cards and if i register as a buisness with ebay i would make a loss on the actuall sale, but cant raise the prices due to competition.

tinkerbell28;8269085

Neither, I just have common sense and can read



I do wonder.. It seems that when it comes to anything Ebay or Paypal related on HUKD everyone else is wrong and of course you are right.. leading me to ask wether you work for them or have some sort of vested interest. I do of course value your opinion, even if it is in the minority, so keep them coming.

Banned

lottysdad08;8269100

I am registered with HMRC ( am self employed anyway) and i do declare … I am registered with HMRC ( am self employed anyway) and i do declare these earnings at the end of the year. I use ebay purely as a mechanism for distributing these sim cards and if i register as a buisness with ebay i would make a loss on the actuall sale, but cant raise the prices due to competition.



Even so, it's actually a criminal offence to masqurade as a private seller when you are infact a business, full stop on ebay or not, that's a valid enough reason for it to be clamped down on IMO.

KERMITZBITZ;8269133

I do wonder.. It seems that when it comes to anything Ebay or Paypal … I do wonder.. It seems that when it comes to anything Ebay or Paypal related on HUKD everyone else is wrong and of course you are right.. leading me to ask wether you work for them or have some sort of vested interest. I do of course value your opinion, even if it is in the minority, so keep them coming.



Nope no vested interest, I happen to know a lot about ebay/pp and it's faults and selling and buying on there, no vested interest.

The problem is with ebay/pp most people don't bother to read the t&c's etc or just have a blanket we hate ebay mentality and don't read the facts.

Like here this is actuallY a good call.

It protects the buyer more and any business who pretends they are not are breaking the law anyway.

lottysdad08;8269100

I am registered with HMRC ( am self employed anyway) and i do declare … I am registered with HMRC ( am self employed anyway) and i do declare these earnings at the end of the year. I use ebay purely as a mechanism for distributing these sim cards and if i register as a buisness with ebay i would make a loss on the actuall sale, but cant raise the prices due to competition.

So basically your pseudo business venture on the side only makes money because you are effectively skirting rules, and you are crying fowl because clamping down on said rule skirting would make said business venture untenable?

Are you expecting us all to whip out the violins at this point? Any business venture that cannot turn a profit without the breaking of rules is clearly one that is not viable. Having your ability to break those rules taken away and your chance to make profit therefore restricted does not in any way justify the original rule breaking.

You found what can be described as a loophole (at best) to make money. The loophole has now been closed. You were never justified in using that loophole in the first place, so the reaction should be to take it and move on. Moaning will get you no sympathy.

Crazy Jamie;8269717

So basically your pseudo business venture on the side only makes money … So basically your pseudo business venture on the side only makes money because you are effectively skirting rules, and you are crying fowl because clamping down on said rule skirting would make said business venture untenable?Are you expecting us all to whip out the violins at this point? Any business venture that cannot turn a profit without the breaking of rules is clearly one that is not viable. Having your ability to break those rules taken away and your chance to make profit therefore restricted does not in any way justify the original rule breaking. You found what can be described as a loophole (at best) to make money. The loophole has now been closed. You were never justified in using that loophole in the first place, so the reaction should be to take it and move on. Moaning will get you no sympathy.



^^^ this

lottysdad08;8269000

Yet another way of ebay extorting monies from private sellers. It gets … Yet another way of ebay extorting monies from private sellers. It gets more like amazon every day



lottysdad08;8269100

I am registered with HMRC ( am self employed anyway) and i do declare … I am registered with HMRC ( am self employed anyway) and i do declare these earnings at the end of the year. I use ebay purely as a mechanism for distributing these sim cards and if i register as a buisness with ebay i would make a loss on the actuall sale, but cant raise the prices due to competition.



:whistling:

I rarely use ebay now. The last straw was 2 years ago when a seller stole my money and ran. Paypal recovered barely a half of the money. Ebay were good before vat on sales came in to effect about 7 years ago. Selling on there is just not worthwhile; the fees are unreasonable.

Uh-oh, it's the internet policemen lynch mob again. Perhaps I'm missing something here, but if

1) The fella is fulfilling his legal obligations to HMRC
2) The fella is maintaining good customer services
3) He's only hurting eBay with this rule diddling

If all of that is true, then where's the problem? Everyone's happy, apart from a major international company. You guys really favour eBay over this guy bringing in extra cash for his family?

Banned

dxx;8270491

Uh-oh, it's the internet policemen lynch mob again. Perhaps I'm missing … Uh-oh, it's the internet policemen lynch mob again. Perhaps I'm missing something here, but if1) The fella is fulfilling his legal obligations to HMRC2) The fella is maintaining good customer services3) He's only hurting eBay with this rule diddlingIf all of that is true, then where's the problem? Everyone's happy, apart from a major international company. You guys really favour eBay over this guy bringing in extra cash for his family?



I have no problem with someone making a bit of money I think its even better that its partly at ebays expense as i hate ebay but its the fact that he is complaining about a rule change by ebay and going on about ebay extorting money from private sellers when they are doing the rule change to stop people like him from breaking the rules

Yet another way for Ebay to shovel more money from us.
C'mon Google, make a damn auction site.

dxx;8270491

Uh-oh, it's the internet policemen lynch mob again.

Which inevitably attracts the "international corporations are evil and only ever beat down the innocent man" brigade.....
dxx

You guys really favour eBay over this guy bringing in extra cash for his … You guys really favour eBay over this guy bringing in extra cash for his family?


...... see? It's like bees to honey. An absolutely classic example of the "but he's only trying to feed his family" argument which inherently attempts to paint those who oppose it as being as cold as the businesses that it seeks to knock down.

Which is, as usual, complete rubbish. You can't suddenly justify the breaking of perfectly legitimate rules based on the perceived 'worthiness' of the party that suffers. Because such an argument can be used to justify all manner of evils. And whilst that would make it a lot easier for lawyers to defend criminals in Court ("but in his defense Your Honour, he was only doing it to feed his family, and he did steal from Tesco, who are just heartless devil worshippers anyway and probably sacrifice children whilst screwing us over with BOGOF deals that don't actually really save us money"), we all really know that it just wouldn't work. Such points act only as mitigation at best, not as a defense. Which is exactly the way it should be.

Paddy Charlie;8270583

I have no problem with someone making a bit of money I think its even … I have no problem with someone making a bit of money I think its even better that its partly at ebays expense as i hate ebay but its the fact that he is complaining about a rule change by ebay and going on about ebay extorting money from private sellers when they are doing the rule change to stop people like him from breaking the rules




So, if you're arguing for the sake of arguing, basically?

Banned

dxx;8270740

So, if you're arguing for the sake of arguing, basically?



Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I have actually posted in relation to the OP not come on here and only posted about something to try and get a reaction so jog on troll

Crazy Jamie;8270723

Which inevitably attracts the "international corporations are evil and … Which inevitably attracts the "international corporations are evil and only ever beat down the innocent man" brigade.....



Brigade? Pfft, I'm a free-thinking man.

...... see? It's like bees to honey. An absolutely classic example of the … ...... see? It's like bees to honey. An absolutely classic example of the "but he's only trying to feed his family" argument which inherently attempts to paint those who oppose it as being as cold as the businesses that it seeks to knock down. Which is, as usual, complete rubbish. You can't suddenly justify the breaking of perfectly legitimate rules based on the perceived 'worthiness' of the party that suffers. Because such an argument can be used to justify all manner of evils. And whilst that would make it a lot easier for lawyers to defend criminals in Court ("but in his defense Your Honour, he was only doing it to feed his family, and he did steal from Tesco, who are just heartless devil worshippers anyway and probably sacrifice children whilst screwing us over with BOGOF deals that don't actually really save us money"), we all really know that it just wouldn't work. Such points act only as mitigation at best, not as a defense. Which is exactly the way it should be.



You realise that twice in the same post, you argued using the exact same (wrongly) classify & dismiss technique? It's a common trick used by people struggling in any debate. Invalidate the opposing side, and you no longer have to address the actual points.

If I as a customer am happy with the service and the price, and if Lotty's ol' man makes a decent enough wage out of it, why do you care if eBay make fractionally less revenue?

Paddy Charlie;8270763

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I have actually posted in … Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I have actually posted in relation to the OP not come on here and only posted about something to try and get a reaction so jog on troll



No, not trolling, just CBA with this attitude of rule obsession, and with the lynch mob that emerges any time someone says anything vaguely objectionable.

dxx;8270790

You realise that twice in the same post, you argued using the exact same … You realise that twice in the same post, you argued using the exact same (wrongly) classify & dismiss technique? It's a common trick used by people struggling in any debate. Invalidate the opposing side, and you no longer have to address the actual points.

Classify and dismiss? You mean like this?
dxx

Uh-oh, it's the internet policemen lynch mob again.

Can't help but feel that Charlie's 'pot kettle black' point bears repeating.

Besides, I didn't classify and dismiss without substance. I made the perfectly valid point about principle versus exception. In other words, you cannot form exceptions to rules based on subjective perceptions (in this case, that the OP's rule breaking is justified because he needs the money more then Ebay, who probably don't deserve it anyway). I can't particularly be blamed if you didn't pick up that point, though hopefully now that I've spelled it out you'll be in a position to respond properly.

Assuming of course you did miss my point first time round. Because otherwise you effectively tried the same technique that you (wrongly) accused me of attempting. And I'm sure you wouldn't possibly be that hypocritical. Right?
dxx

If I as a customer am happy with the service and the price, and if … If I as a customer am happy with the service and the price, and if Lotty's ol' man makes a decent enough wage out of it, why do you care if eBay make fractionally less revenue?


Because, as pointed out above, principles are important. Breaking them on an unsubstantiated and highly subjective whim is bad.

Banned

dxx;8270491

Uh-oh, it's the internet policemen lynch mob again. Perhaps I'm missing … Uh-oh, it's the internet policemen lynch mob again. Perhaps I'm missing something here, but if1) The fella is fulfilling his legal obligations to HMRC2) The fella is maintaining good customer services3) He's only hurting eBay with this rule diddlingIf all of that is true, then where's the problem? Everyone's happy, apart from a major international company. You guys really favour eBay over this guy bringing in extra cash for his family?



Because it's illegal for a trader to pretend to be a private seller, on ebay or not, thus doing so he is taking away the buyers statutory rights and they can be prosecuted.

It harms the buyer and it's good they are trying to clamp down on it, that's that really.

Banned

good news

hopefully this will put a few people breaking the law out of business

funny how somee people reckon they are already declaring this to hrmc, yet are complaining........if they were doing as they say they would be putting in tax returns and still making a profit.......all ebay/paypal fees are tax deductable as is packaging and even the cost of your monthly internet bill to mention just a few

i call lies being told in this thread

DarkKnight;8270686

Yet another way for Ebay to shovel more money from us.C'mon Google, make … Yet another way for Ebay to shovel more money from us.C'mon Google, make a damn auction site.



+1 :thumbsup:
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