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    Ebay fraud! £3k fine and 250 hours unpaid work. WOW!

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    A man has been fined £3,000 and ordered to carry out 250 hours community service after fixing an online auction on eBay.

    Paul Barrett, 39 and from County Durham, became the first person to be convicted of shill bidding in April.

    you get less for burglary lol

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    Still happens all the time...

    a pie and pasty warmer??? isn't that called a microwave?

    birdyboyuk;8980399

    ]old news....



    That was the beginning of the trial this is the outcome:whistling:

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    Whilst I agree with the conviction, the penalty is unreal.

    £80 on the spot fine for shoplifting yet this muppet gets £3K fine and 250 hours unpaid work to serve!

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    birdyboyuk;8980399

    ]old news....


    failed badly :-D

    csiman;8980437

    Whilst I agree with the conviction, the penalty is unreal.£80 on the spot … Whilst I agree with the conviction, the penalty is unreal.£80 on the spot fine for shoplifting yet this muppet gets £3K fine and 250 hours unpaid work to serve!



    Perhaps this is a deterrent to those still doing it, an £80 fine would not make others think twice and carry on, shill bidding is rife throughout ebay and looks like they are getting tough.

    I am sure this was many items not the odd one or two and serves him right

    csiman;8980441

    failed badly :-D



    :oops: :lol:

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    DJNG22;8980477

    Perhaps this is a deterrent to those still doing it, an £80 fine would … Perhaps this is a deterrent to those still doing it, an £80 fine would not make others think twice and carry on, shill bidding is rife throughout ebay and looks like they are getting tough.I am sure this was many items not the odd one or two and serves him right


    yes I agree with you. Just wish shoplifting got an instant £3000 fine too lol ;-)

    As others have said says the state of the country when you get less for shop lifting, also 3k is a bit much.

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    fmgod;8980555

    As others have said says the state of the country when you get less for … As others have said says the state of the country when you get less for shop lifting, also 3k is a bit much.



    or maybe £80 for shoplifting is too little?

    I think the financial part should be irrelevant for things like shoplifting instead it should be combated with very many hours of community work or jail time.

    i know someone who does it and it infuriates me.
    Trouble is since they made it so you cant see whose bidding, it protects the shill bidders.

    Honestly...this probably isn't even true - just some story ebay has made up to get media attention and try to warn people about doing it. Why punish one when hundreds do it? I imagine they can't even police it.

    Reason I say this is because a couple of years a go some radio station was saying that someone had sold an imaginary friend on ebay for x amount - I thought this is easy money so went on and made a stupid description about an imaginary friend (of course I dont have one really) but it was removed within about an hour! I reckon they just say these stories to get people talking about ebay in general...

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    woz;8980722

    Honestly...this probably isn't even true - just some story ebay has made … Honestly...this probably isn't even true - just some story ebay has made up to get media attention and try to warn people about doing it. Why punish one when hundreds do it? I imagine they can't even police it.Reason I say this is because a couple of years a go some radio station was saying that someone had sold an imaginary friend on ebay for x amount - I thought this is easy money so went on and made a stupid description about an imaginary friend (of course I dont have one really) but it was removed within about an hour! I reckon they just say these stories to get people talking about ebay in general...


    lol - bbc dont bother substantiating their news anymore! :whistling:

    google is your friend

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    your reason is bizarre - nothing to do at all with shill bidding............

    Is there that great of a distinction between starting auction at 99p and bidding yourself up to £5.00 and starting the auction at £5.00. Are you charged extra for setting an auction at anything other than 99p?

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    woz;8980722

    Honestly...this probably isn't even true - just some story ebay has made … Honestly...this probably isn't even true - just some story ebay has made up to get media attention and try to warn people about doing it. Why punish one when hundreds do it? I imagine they can't even police it.



    What a strange attitude.
    Thousands of people speed every day and get away with it, does that mean the ones who get caught shouldn't be prosecuted? Ditto with any crime.

    How do they catch you is it a case of the same person keeps bidding on your items ?? i suppose if you were really keen to save on fees surley you could just keep opening new names and after doing it a couple of times use a new name ? or is it more techinical than that :giggle: like the above said its all private now so harder to chase.
    BTW im not into shill bidding dont use ebay often and if i did bid on my stuff id end up winning cos its only cheap clothing anyway heehee just raising a point cos i dont really understand all of this.

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    How do ebay find out anyway? Say if you tell a friend to bid or something?

    There are things called IP addresses, and I'm guessing they used their own computers on a lot of bids.

    When eBay starts to see a bidding pattern, then they can make a case.

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    Wotwot123

    There are things called IP addresses, and I'm guessing they used their … There are things called IP addresses, and I'm guessing they used their own computers on a lot of bids.When eBay starts to see a bidding pattern, then they can make a case.


    oh my mate must have been using my wifi, what a strange coincidence. he's been after something i'm selling on ebay, oh well!

    DaveLister

    oh my mate must have been using my wifi, what a strange coincidence. he's … oh my mate must have been using my wifi, what a strange coincidence. he's been after something i'm selling on ebay, oh well!



    Then he bids high everytime and loses everytime?

    Like I said, patterns.

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    So use 2 different computers, 2 different i.p addresses, isps and you're sorted then. Thats still quite easy to do and not fair. Plenty of times i bid high to win something and i find that i have still been outbidded on my maximum bid and then 2 hours later i get a second chance email from the seller. It **** me off cos if the highest bidded wasnt bogus, i would have got the item in question for a very good price.

    Adnan786

    So use 2 different computers, 2 different i.p addresses, isps and you're … So use 2 different computers, 2 different i.p addresses, isps and you're sorted then. Thats still quite easy to do and not fair. Plenty of times i bid high to win something and i find that i have still been outbidded on my maximum bid and then 2 hours later i get a second chance email from the seller. It **** me off cos if the highest bidded wasnt bogus, i would have got the item in question for a very good price.



    No it's bidding patterns, nothing to do with a PC.

    Unless you could get access to a different IP after every shill bid in a different location, make multiple accounts at different periods of time and on top of that make everyone outbids you in the end, then you are 100% safe.

    But honestly, that isn't easy.

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    Wotwot123

    theres no way you could prove it if you're using different ips/computers … theres no way you could prove it if you're using different ips/computers etc, "No it's bidding patterns, nothing to do with a PC.Unless you could get access to a different IP after every shill bid in a different location, make multiple accounts at different periods of time and on top of that make everyone outbids you in the end, then you are 100% safe.But honestly, that isn't easy.


    Wotwot123

    No it's bidding patterns, nothing to do with a PC.Unless you could get … No it's bidding patterns, nothing to do with a PC.Unless you could get access to a different IP after every shill bid in a different location, make multiple accounts at different periods of time and on top of that make everyone outbids you in the end, then you are 100% safe.But honestly, that isn't easy.


    no way to prove it's the same person if it's done from different ips, that can easily be done at home, millions of compromised boxes online which are easy to bounce off, "look at the bidding patterns" wouldn't stand up in court on it's own without evidence, this guy was obviously a tool sitting there on his home broadband ip bidding on his own stuff

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    its not done on IP address. Its done on user ids.

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    Adnan786

    So use 2 different computers, 2 different i.p addresses, isps and you're … So use 2 different computers, 2 different i.p addresses, isps and you're sorted then. Thats still quite easy to do and not fair. Plenty of times i bid high to win something and i find that i have still been outbidded on my maximum bid and then 2 hours later i get a second chance email from the seller. It **** me off cos if the highest bidded wasnt bogus, i would have got the item in question for a very good price.



    How does that prove it was shill bidding?
    I regulary send second chance offers because I have more than one of what I'm selling, and its allowed by ebay.

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    csiman

    its not done on IP address. Its done on user ids.


    you can't bid on your own item using the user id that is selling said item, so unless people are really stupid and use something like "xboxman5" and "xboxman4" they wont catch people just by their user id

    DaveLister

    you can't bid on your own item using the user id that is selling said … you can't bid on your own item using the user id that is selling said item, so unless people are really stupid and use something like "xboxman5" and "xboxman4" they wont catch people just by their user id



    What eBay look for is reciprocal bidding, for example when eletoponline365 bids on items sold by northern_bell and northern_bell bids on items sold by eletoponline365 (just an example, no wrong doing implied). That's a simple case, it can get quite complicated with three or more userids inter-bidding. Reciprocal bidding in itself is not against the rules, but unusual enough to flag you up for further investigation.
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