Found 2nd Feb 2008
This made me laugh, check the bidders/seller on these items..

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Talk about lazy.....

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lmao. Very incestuous ! Has to be seen doesn't it.

Haven't you given up on that hell hole yet Shengis ?

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I will do soon, just filling my boots before the sellers are forced to raise prices due to higher listing/FVF and postal charges. As soon as the prices go up i'm pretty much gone. After that i'll only use it to buy cars etc (for cash, outside deal of course) ;-)

That is very naughty and is called 'shill bidding' Report them to ebay!!!! I have done this before and the seller was banned from ebay.

Shengis;1533360

I will do soon, just filling my boots before the sellers are forced to … I will do soon, just filling my boots before the sellers are forced to raise prices due to higher listing/FVF and postal charges. As soon as the prices go up i'm pretty much gone. After that i'll only use it to buy cars etc (for cash, outside deal of course) ;-)



Makes sense
One of the better attributes of Ebay is that it can provide an excellent customer database ;-)

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loveabargain;1533570

That is very naughty and is called 'shill bidding' Report them to … That is very naughty and is called 'shill bidding' Report them to ebay!!!! I have done this before and the seller was banned from ebay.



You must have just got a random hit then as Ebay don't care. I reported a number of listings the other day for overcharging on postage (out of pure spite and boredom admittedly :lol:). Here's an item number : 120214843549

Check his other listings, most reported and sod all done about it. Why not you may ask? Well if they cancel the listing they refund the listing fee, if they let it run and there's no buyers (which is highly likely in this case) they still end up in profit......

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hottoshop;1533601

Makes sense :)One of the better attributes of Ebay is that it can provide … Makes sense :)One of the better attributes of Ebay is that it can provide an excellent customer database ;-)



Oh yes. Ebay may not be much good for selling at a profit due to FVF's but you get a lot of outside enquiries on items not listed. Makes it worthwhile overall, sell 20 carp items at £1k a pop and get about £60k of outside business:whistling:

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A mate of mine at work, has just bought a Canon 40D camera and then bought a "guide to Canon 40D" DVD set from ebay. Cost $29 + $25 postage.

When it arrived it turned out to be pirate, so advised him to contact the seller. He got no reply, so raised a dispute.

A reply has been received saying "you need to send the item back by recorded delivery in the condition you recieved it. Without doing so this dispute will be closed". Whats the odds the guy will say it arrived damaged or wasnt what was sent (or similar) and he ends up further out of pocket? Its obvious this guy wont refund the original postage - which at $25 is taking the pee for a DVD case! My mate was a plonker anyway - the price he paid (without postage) is the full retail price!!!!

There is no option within the current despute other than supply proof or postage or cancel dispute!

Ive told him to open another dispute or call Paypal to tell them the resolution is not acceptable. It would be illegal to post pirate software that could end up with being arrested for posting it. Ive told him to suggest the better way would be to contact FACT, giving the full details of the seller and show how ebay seemingly will not take action against someone who is breaking the law. The guy has 136,000 positive feedbacks! Thats an awful lot of pirate software!!!!!!

What's wrong with over-charging on the postage?
A. It makes way more sense as Ebay doesn't charge fees on the postage, and B. the buyer can clearly see what the total would be so isn't really losing out on anything. Let's face it, Ebay rake in the cash so I'm behind anything that can cut their margins a bit!!

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firey-dragon6666;1533716

What's wrong with over-charging on the postage?



Apart from breaking ebay rules?

A. It makes way more sense as Ebay doesn't charge fees on the postage, … A. It makes way more sense as Ebay doesn't charge fees on the postage, and B. the buyer can clearly see what the total would be so isn't really losing out on anything. Let's face it, Ebay rake in the cash so I'm behind anything that can cut their margins a bit!!



So, you sell something for £1 and charge £14 postage. The item arrives faulty and the guy sends it back for a refund. Do you A. be honest and pay the guy back the full amount (including the admitted over charged postage) or B. Refund £1 and laugh all the way to the bank?

I wont deal with ANYONE that shows dishonest tendencies.

Yes, I understand the point you are making regarding fees (and dont disagree on that point!) but buyers are stitching themselves up by falling for the "its the full price thats important" when its obvious it leaves the buying open to potential abuse of what is little more than a scam.

People just factor the postage cost into the total amount they want to pay and bid accordingly. I have learnt to accept this.

I regualarly sell stuff and charge exact postage + 40p for packing. I often find that I make more money than other items listed with huge postage costs. But then I pay ebay more I expect but personally I am happy with that and still make a nice bit of pocket money on stuff that would probably just go to the charity shop otherwise.

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loveabargain;1533753

People just factor the postage cost into the total amount they want to … People just factor the postage cost into the total amount they want to pay and bid accordingly. I have learnt to accept this.



I do that as well and now there's the new sort by price+postage charge it's not really a problem:-D

In the example I illustrated though I consider £9 postage on a game that's actually worth about £2.50-3 (+£2 postage MAX) to be ludicrous. Still its either overcharge the postage or shill.

loveabargain;1533753

People just factor the postage cost into the total amount they want to … People just factor the postage cost into the total amount they want to pay and bid accordingly. I have learnt to accept this. I regualarly sell stuff and charge exact postage + 40p for packing. I often find that I make more money than other items listed with huge postage costs. But then I pay ebay more I expect but personally I am happy with that and still make a nice bit of pocket money on stuff that would probably just go to the charity shop otherwise.



Personally even if the value is the same, I prefer buying from sellers who are charging a reasonable postage rate and tend to ignore those with large postage costs. It would seem that I'm not alone there.

John

So basically you would prefer to give eBay more money than the seller?

If an item is for sale for £3 + £7P&P and another for sale at £7 + £3 P&P I would buy the £3 one anyday, the reason being is the seller is earning more profit on the £3 one, whereas on the other one you are just lining the pockets of the greedy sods who own eBay and their shareholders. (If it has floated).

Look after your own mate!!!!!!!!

People increase postage costs for a reason, as long as the item is priced accordingly then I have not got a problem with it whatsoever. Ebay are abusing their market dominance and it is just getting worse and worse, especially now that they are forcing you to use PayPal to list certain items.

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mickb;1533980

So basically you would prefer to give eBay more money than the seller?If … So basically you would prefer to give eBay more money than the seller?If an item is for sale for £3 + £7P&P and another for sale at £7 + £3 P&P I would buy the £3 one anyday, the reason being is the seller is earning more profit on the £3 one, whereas on the other one you are just lining the pockets of the greedy sods who own eBay and their shareholders.Look after your own mate!!!!!!!!



I'd buy neither, i'd snipe the one with a 99p start and £2.50 postage and get it for about £4. As for look after your own, sorry no, look after NUMBER ONE. Screw the sellers that overcharge. If its a couple of pence to cover ebay costs then fair enough, but that's as far as i'm going to go concession wise. Buyers use Ebay for bargains, does a bee care?

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mickb;1533980

So basically you would prefer to give eBay more money than the seller?



Remind me where anyone has said that?

If an item is for sale for £3 + £7P&P and another for sale at £7 + £3 P&P … If an item is for sale for £3 + £7P&P and another for sale at £7 + £3 P&P I would buy the £3 one anyday, the reason being is the seller is earning more profit on the £3 one, whereas on the other one you are just lining the pockets of the greedy sods who own eBay and their shareholders. (If it has floated).Look after your own mate!!!!!!!!



And when you receive it faulty and ask for a refund, you will be happy to receive £3 back? As you said "look after your own". I know of people who have been on the receiving end of this exact thing. Besides, whilst their p&p charges may be visible, its easy to get caught up and forget about this. Its happened to me. I thought I was bidding on my prefered item with lower costs, but had opened up one by mistake that was pretty much the same advert - with that big difference!

People increase postage costs for a reason, as long as the item is priced … People increase postage costs for a reason, as long as the item is priced accordingly then I have not got a problem with it whatsoever. Ebay are abusing their market dominance and it is just getting worse and worse, especially now that they are forcing you to use PayPal to list certain items.



They are not forcing you to do anything.

Don't get me wrong, I probably hate ebay and Paypal more than you, but probably just analyse the consequences more! Possibly at the moment the only company that can put a serious challenge to ebay is google - and has been on the cards for some time. Not sure why they haven't done so yet. I was certainly impressed by the way that google checkout handled the failed dealings with "musthave100". They refunded the money without batting an eyelid. The same cant be said of those now showing negative paypal accounts after refusing to honour credit and debit card chargebacks.

Never looked at it from a refund point of view.

Maybe I have just got my eBay hate goggles on today, lol.

I have the same policy for both buying and selling, when selling my own items I only charge what is has cost me and when buying items I choose the sellers that have reasonable postage. I disagree with the concept of bumping postage up, it means you have to come through the listings working out exactly what the seller is actually charging, would be far easier if everyone charged the proper rate. I'm hoping ebay will now be closer to that state with these new changes.

John

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Johnmcl7;1534240

I have the same policy for both buying and selling, when selling my own … I have the same policy for both buying and selling, when selling my own items I only charge what is has cost me and when buying items I choose the sellers that have reasonable postage. I disagree with the concept of bumping postage up, it means you have to come through the listings working out exactly what the seller is actually charging, would be far easier if everyone charged the proper rate. I'm hoping ebay will now be closer to that state with these new changes.



You opinions and actions are 100% the same as my viewpoint! :thumbsup:

Johnmcl7;1534240

I have the same policy for both buying and selling, when selling my own … I have the same policy for both buying and selling, when selling my own items I only charge what is has cost me and when buying items I choose the sellers that have reasonable postage. I disagree with the concept of bumping postage up, it means you have to come through the listings working out exactly what the seller is actually charging, would be far easier if everyone charged the proper rate. I'm hoping ebay will now be closer to that state with these new changes.John



how hard is it to do a simple additional equation

My OH mostly lists DVD & games - mostly stuff we've bought cheap & are rotating or things that we've seen cheap enough to know there's a few quid profit to be made. She charges £2.50-3.00 covering postage (occasionally including slimline boxsets but more often on stuff that gets posted 2nd class @ 60p - the item prices are often so low it'd be cheaper just to write off the loss than send everything out recorded), packing materials, ebay's charges, Paypal's charges & then her time in dealing with anything to do with the listing, whether this is a query or time it takes her to post. While this isn't quite in the spirit of eBay's T&C's it means that from 'our' point of view the money we get for the item is just that, the ITEM price.

She has successfully dealt with every issue ever raised by a buyer with a problem to be rewarded with a 100% positive feedback for over 1600 transactions & a 4.6 star rating for P&P charges.
In terms of buying I will pay what I feel is fair as a TOTAL price, not just what I expect the postage to be but always keep this to a sensible level as am aware that not everyone is a fair (or as utterly desirable as my missus!!?!).

guv;1533750

Apart from breaking ebay rules?So, you sell something for £1 and charge … Apart from breaking ebay rules?So, you sell something for £1 and charge £14 postage. The item arrives faulty and the guy sends it back for a refund. Do you A. be honest and pay the guy back the full amount (including the admitted over charged postage) or B. Refund £1 and laugh all the way to the bank?I wont deal with ANYONE that shows dishonest tendencies.Yes, I understand the point you are making regarding fees (and dont disagree on that point!) but buyers are stitching themselves up by falling for the "its the full price thats important" when its obvious it leaves the buying open to potential abuse of what is little more than a scam.



while your example youve chosen to go a little extreme to make your point, thats why people have feedback score you look for honest sellers who have to balance the FVF with the postage just to make a reasonable cut, first you get raped by ebay and then you get rape again by his little brother paypal it feels like your working for ebay and not actually using their services

i one time got caught out just looking at the price and forgot about postage costs on an item

when i recieved the item it had a note attached.

'If you give me negative feedback for high postage costs then i will give you negative feedback'

and also the seller stated they charged the high postage to avoid fvf fees!

ttsese;1534377

how hard is it to do a simple additional equation



It isn't one simple additional equation, it's numerous ones and the two values can vary massively when looking through a large number of listings. That's assuming you can see the postage from the search view, some will specify 'see listing' which means the listing needs to opened to find what it is. While it's not difficult to calculate the total postage, having to do so numerous times over and having to check listings wastes time that shouldn't be needed.

John

Johnmcl7;1534406

It isn't one simple additional equation, it's numerous ones and the two … It isn't one simple additional equation, it's numerous ones and the two values can vary massively when looking through a large number of listings. That's assuming you can see the postage from the search view, some will specify 'see listing' which means the listing needs to opened to find what it is. While it's not difficult to calculate the total postage, having to do so numerous times over and having to check listings wastes time that shouldn't be needed.John



use a calculator, if you have time to look at ebay then you got time to do a little bit of work if you buy a house or car would you not what to do a little homework about other fees, besides if additional fees are stated clearly by sellers its totally upto the buyer to either deal or not deal. If you want to blame sellers blame the actual dishonest ones (hidden or unclear fees) and not all of them which seems unfair

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CHARLIETHIRTYTWO;1534384

My OH mostly lists DVD & games - mostly stuff we've bought cheap & are … My OH mostly lists DVD & games - mostly stuff we've bought cheap & are rotating or things that we've seen cheap enough to know there's a few quid profit to be made. She charges £2.50-3.00 covering postage (occasionally including slimline boxsets but more often on stuff that gets posted 2nd class @ 60p .



Whilst a profit is being made, those charges are not overly excessive.

Its where the postal charges are rediculous that I will avoid for the reasons stated. Which is a shame. I'd certainly prefer the seller to get the money than ebay, but then receiving a faulty item and losing that "make up" cost cannot be ignored. I supose it depends on how big a gambler you are and the effective overall cost in relation to its value.

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ttsese;1534432

use a calculator, if you have time to look at ebay then you got time to … use a calculator, if you have time to look at ebay then you got time to do a little bit of work if you buy a house or car would you not what to do a little homework about other fees, besides if additional fees are stated clearly by sellers its totally upto the buyer to either deal or not deal. If you want to blame sellers blame the actual dishonest ones (hidden or unclear fees) and not all of them which seems unfair



No need for addition or a calculator any more mate. Thanks to the improved search, items without a specific p&p charge end up on the bottom of the list (as do those that massively overcharge postage). Working lovely here, much less wasted time:)

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ttsese;1534432

if additional fees are stated clearly by sellers its totally upto the … if additional fees are stated clearly by sellers its totally upto the buyer to either deal or not deal.



Er, I think his point is that he wont deal!!!!

guv;1534440

Whilst a profit is being made, those charges are not overly excessive.Its … Whilst a profit is being made, those charges are not overly excessive.Its where the postal charges are rediculous that I will avoid for the reasons stated. Which is a shame. I'd certainly prefer the seller to get the money than ebay, but then receiving a faulty item and losing that "make up" cost cannot be ignored. I supose it depends on how big a gambler you are and the effective overall cost in relation to its value.



Thats why we have feedback scores to have a little insight into sellers

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ttsese;1534451

Thats why we have feedback scores to have a little insight into sellers



Yep and if you neg the seller you get one back.... Not for much longer though LOL.

Also Powersellers can get their bad feedback removed.....

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ttsese;1534451

Thats why we have feedback scores to have a little insight into sellers



Yes, you can leave neg for the money you've just lost. Personally Id rather just keep my money and not play their game (and end up with a neg also.)

guv;1534440

Whilst a profit is being made, those charges are not overly excessive.Its … Whilst a profit is being made, those charges are not overly excessive.Its where the postal charges are rediculous that I will avoid for the reasons stated. Which is a shame. I'd certainly prefer the seller to get the money than ebay, but then receiving a faulty item and losing that "make up" cost cannot be ignored. I supose it depends on how big a gambler you are and the effective overall cost in relation to its value.



"not overly excessive" have you ever been a private reseller, my guess would be no (media- 10%+5%)

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ttsese;1534467

"not overly excessive" have you ever been a private reseller, my guess … "not overly excessive" have you ever been a private reseller, my guess would be no (media- 10%+5%)



Sorry, I'm not with you? What does the 10% + 5% mean?

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guv;1534479

Sorry, I'm not with you? What does the 10% + 5% mean?



15%. You're supposed to use addition as suggested:lol:

guv;1534479

Sorry, I'm not with you? What does the 10% + 5% mean?



ebay and paypal fees but just the percentage fees excluding others

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ttsese;1534489

ebay and paypal fees but just the percentage fees excluding others



So who charges 5%???

Shengis;1534487

15%. You're supposed to use addition as suggested:lol:



you do know these fees are from ebay so they will very kindly work them out for you automatically for their cut so no need to use any addition skills yourself

ebay 10% paypal 5%

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Shengis;1534487

15%. You're supposed to use addition as suggested:lol:



I know I'm being thick here (not unusual!) - but are you saying that an item sells for £2.00 and you are allowed only to add 30p postage to the overall cost? Or add 30p to the real cost of postage? If the latter - no doubt jiffy bags will come from harrods!!!

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ttsese;1534502

ebay 10% paypal 5%



paypal.com/uk/…ide

Show me 5%.

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ttsese;1534502

ebay 10% paypal 5%





Ah, ok. Not sure why you made your initital comment regarding the postal charges mentioned not being overly excessive?


PS - you have no arguement from me that ebay and paypal are Satans spawn BTW!
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