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    Ebay - Request cancel, but item received?

    Hi there

    Funny one, purchased something off Ebay, paid by paypal, and item has been received, all is good.

    Now the seller is requesting to cancel the the transaction?

    With the comment, thanks for instant payment. I'm not asking you to return the item but can you just cancel it.

    What's this about?

    Thanks

    34 Comments

    Probably as that way he gets his fees back.

    he wants his fees back, that's why, if you want to keep the item, decline the request.

    He is trying to get his final value fees back, how much did you pay for it. Also if you cancel it you won't be able to claim from ebay if you have a problem with it. What did you buy?

    dont do it.

    must have been expensive, that's why he's asking to cancel the transaction, also if feedback is left, then ebay will find it dodgy.

    As has been said - the seller is being a bit naughty and trying to get their eBay fees back, which is about 10% of the final price so if I was you I'd decline the request as then you keep the backup of Paypal and if you went through topcashback you keep the cashback too.

    sickly sweet;8639240

    As has been said - the seller is being a bit naughty and trying to get … As has been said - the seller is being a bit naughty and trying to get their eBay fees back, which is about 10% of the final price so if I was you I'd decline the request as then you keep the backup of Paypal and if you went through topcashback you keep the cashback too.



    or quidco!

    What was the item?

    Report him to ebay

    lilraul;8639250

    or quidco!



    Quidco is poo, topcashback is MUCH better :thumbsup:

    sickly sweet;8639296

    Quidco is poo, topcashback is MUCH better :thumbsup:



    How so? i use quidco but have heard tcb is better? does it pay quicker or something?

    I always do this on high value items, some agree to it, some don't. Stops my morning getting into eBays grubby hands.

    Banned

    :lol:

    geegee-pinata;8639306

    How so? i use quidco but have heard tcb is better? does it pay quicker or … How so? i use quidco but have heard tcb is better? does it pay quicker or something?



    I find it tracks better, has a few more retailers, and you get up to 10% top ups, so depending on how much you earnt the month before you get a bonus of between 0% and 10% ontop on your cashback - at the moment I get 4% top up and it all adds up. Plus the money gets paid quicker, you can request up to twice a month to be paid and the rates of cashback are good.

    sickly sweet;8639296

    Quidco is poo, topcashback is MUCH better :thumbsup:



    the rate for ebay is the same, quidco always tracks for ebay and pays out!

    Oooh, i see - might have a look then. Repped :thumbsup:

    Supermod

    peodude;8639317

    I always do this on high value items, some agree to it, some don't. Stops … I always do this on high value items, some agree to it, some don't. Stops my morning getting into eBays grubby hands.



    You have a choice and you chose to put your items on eBay. It doesnt matter that they (in your opinion) charge too much. If you dont like it, advertise elsewhere.

    magicjay1986;8639350

    You have a choice and you chose to put your items on eBay. It doesnt … You have a choice and you chose to put your items on eBay. It doesnt matter that they (in your opinion) charge too much. If you dont like it, advertise elsewhere.



    But if you can get away with it - why not?? :whistling:

    Supermod

    geegee-pinata;8639397

    But if you can get away with it - why not?? :whistling:



    ...because you are breaking the law for a start.

    magicjay1986;8639414

    ...because you are breaking the law for a start.


    just out of curiosity which law ?

    Original Poster

    Hi all

    Thanks for that, it wasn't really high value, it was £45. And it was vouchers so no way it could go wrong. Never come across this 'loophole' before.

    Thanks again all.

    Supermod

    ace101;8639518

    just out of curiosity which law ?



    Fraud and deception are common law principles. After all, you have entered in to a contract with eBay and the contract is complete as soon as you complete the contract in it entirety.

    What makes you think you are not breaking the law?

    magicjay1986;8639555

    Fraud and deception are common law principles. After all, you have … Fraud and deception are common law principles. After all, you have entered in to a contract with eBay and the contract is complete as soon as you complete the contract in it entirety. What makes you think you are not breaking the law?



    ignorance? arrogance? internet doesnt have laws?

    Your probably right, however it would be for ebay to prove fraud and deception - i wouldn't have thought they would bother.

    ace101;8639518

    just out of curiosity which law ?


    magicjay1986

    Fraud and deception are common law principles.

    Actually both fraud and deception are enshrined in statute. Deception is in the Theft Act 1968 in a few of different forms. Fraud is (unsurprisingly) in the Fraud Act 2006.

    Personally I'd say that section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 (Fraud by misrepresentation) would be the one broken by canceling a completed deal on Ebay to avoid fees. There is a misrepresentation made to Ebay (if not explicitly then certainly it would be implied) that the deal has not gone ahead, and the seller has knowingly obtained a financial benefit as a result. That's both of the elements satisfied.

    geegee-pinata;8639634

    Your probably right, however it would be for ebay to prove fraud and … Your probably right, however it would be for ebay to prove fraud and deception - i wouldn't have thought they would bother.


    Not so much Ebay as the CPS considering that we're talking criminal offences now. That said, you are of course correct in that the majority of cases of this would slip through the net without any issues at all. There was a seller recently convicted of fraud for boosting his own items, but that was the first (and as far as I am aware only) case of someone being convicted for a criminal offence through dodgy practices on Ebay. Which somewhat proves the point, really.

    Crazy Jamie;8639694

    Not so much Ebay as the CPS considering that we're talking criminal … Not so much Ebay as the CPS considering that we're talking criminal offences now. That said, you are of course correct in that the majority of cases of this would slip through the net without any issues at all. There was a seller recently convicted of fraud for boosting his own items, but that was the first (and as far as I am aware only) case of someone being convicted for a criminal offence through dodgy practices on Ebay. Which somewhat proves the point, really.



    Really?? Wow!
    I did read about that, and a friend of mine actually got a two week ban for "shill bidding" so it seems they are clamping down. Quite rightly so.
    Although ebay should reduce their fees methinks

    Supermod

    Crazy Jamie;8639659

    Actually both fraud and deception are enshrined in statute. Deception is … Actually both fraud and deception are enshrined in statute. Deception is in the Theft Act 1968 in a few of different forms. Fraud is (unsurprisingly) in the Fraud Act 2006.Personally I'd say that section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 (Fraud by misrepresentation) would be the one broken by canceling a completed deal on Ebay to avoid fees. There is a misrepresentation made to Ebay (if not explicitly then certainly it would be implied) that the deal has not gone ahead, and the seller has knowingly obtained a financial benefit as a result. That's both of the elements satisfied.



    My point was that despite it being within a statute it should be pretty clear that what the one member has done is illegal. I think the intricacies would only be needed if defended.

    magicjay1986;8640037

    My point was that despite it being within a statute it should be pretty … My point was that despite it being within a statute it should be pretty clear that what the one member has done is illegal. I think the intricacies would only be needed if defended.

    Come on, assuming you know what 'common law' means (and I think you do), you also know that that makes no sense. I'm not seeking an argument or to get one over on you. I agree with what you've said in this thread and with your general stance. You just made one error, which was small and technical as far as the average person is concerned, and I corrected you. Let it lie.

    Another thing you have to consider is the fact that Paypal (ebay) can suspend your account meaning that paypal can freeze any money you have in it for up to 2 years. They were and, I state were, known for it and your money was earning THEM interest not you. As much as I hate ebay/paypal what other choice is there? At least with paypal you do have a bit of cover but bear in mind that in a dispute they nearly always seem to come down on the side of the buyer and they are normally the swindler!! There is no way I would agree with what your seller is asking either, it's fraud and you could be prosecuted (although unlikely). Hope this helps.

    I love these threads as they are a good way to judge the honesty of people, Have added a couple more names to the list of people i would not deal with on here,

    Banned

    tonyg1962;8641272

    I love these threads as they are a good way to judge the honesty of … I love these threads as they are a good way to judge the honesty of people, Have added a couple more names to the list of people i would not deal with on here,



    :thumbsup:

    I mean seriously the cheek of it, i did lol when I read this last night before an early night.

    I wouldn't though op as if he makes a habit of it and gets reported, they you could be in the crap for complying.

    Banned

    tonyg1962;8641272

    I love these threads as they are a good way to judge the honesty of … I love these threads as they are a good way to judge the honesty of people, Have added a couple more names to the list of people i would not deal with on here,


    +1 :thumbsup:

    rjmain;8640683

    Another thing you have to consider is the fact that Paypal (ebay) can … Another thing you have to consider is the fact that Paypal (ebay) can suspend your account meaning that paypal can freeze any money you have in it for up to 2 years. They were and, I state were, known for it and your money was earning THEM interest not you. As much as I hate ebay/paypal what other choice is there? At least with paypal you do have a bit of cover but bear in mind that in a dispute they nearly always seem to come down on the side of the buyer and they are normally the swindler!! There is no way I would agree with what your seller is asking either, it's fraud and you could be prosecuted (although unlikely). Hope this helps.



    Happened to me 3 years ago when I moved house sold loads of stuff and made about £500, ranging from single dvds, to my tv etc and Paypal limited my account saying they wanted details of my stock supplier as because I sold so much in a short period I must be a business! and when I said I didnt have a supplier as I was selling my own stuff as was moving house was told to provide tracking details for like 40 items some going back like 2-3 months which I no longer owned and had positive feedback for, finally for the like 28 items I could get tracking for they told me the numbers were incorrect because the idiots were checking DHL USA not DHL UK
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