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    Eduardo may get banned for diving against Celtic, is this fair or not?

    I think this is ridiculous, especially when you consider the volume of dives performed by Ronaldo every season and nothing ever happened to him...why the sudden decision to penalise someone when the game was already over?

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    Of course it's not fair. No retrospective punishment should take place as there enough officials present on the field of play that night, and it's upto them at that time to make a decision. It's unlike him to do such a thing, and I don't condone it, but there are far worse players doing it (Ronaldo for one)

    Of course someone should be penalised when there is clear evidence,

    ban football.

    well,you make a good point-the game WAS already over. so why did he do it? In a high pressure situation I understand why things like this happen,dont condone it but I understand it when so much is at stake.

    But why do it at 2-0 up after the first leg? In scotland people are banned retrospectively for cheating and I think uefa should do the same.

    I wonder if the people saying its unfair would feel the same if england lost the world cup final because of an opponnents dive? It should be stopped once and for all imho.

    yes

    cheat

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    tonyg1962;6142704

    Of course someone should be penalised when there is clear evidence,



    Where did this rule suddenly come from on the European stage though?

    There has been clear evidence how many times last season of players diving but I never heard EUFA taking action.

    I'll never forget how Rooney dived to end Arsenals 49 game unbeaten run at a crucial stage of the game and the worst thing is, he even admitted he dived straight after the game, yet I don't remember anyone saying Rooney should be banned etc.

    Supermod

    Yes. Cheat. You need to stamp it out. This will send a message.

    should be banned for life ....................

    I've seen worse dives go unpunished (Ronaldo, Drogba, Gerrard, Viera), sounds like a bit of sour grapes and whining to UEFA on Celtic's part to be honest.

    They'd already lost the game themselves, so I don't see the point of this.

    SuperEd

    yes he dived,dont think it was right,but its in todays game and i dont like it,for example look at ronaldo and drogba.i think it should stop but you cant not ban one and not the other.

    I think what Eduardo did should not be condoned. If they implement a new rule that diving will lead to a ban obviously players will be aware and will possibly adjust their actions.
    In this case as the rule was not already in place I think a suspension and fine should be the worst possible outcome.
    Any similar future events by any player can be dealt with more forcefully

    Of course it's the correct decision.

    Just because previous exponents of the 9.5/10 have escaped without punishment doesn't mean that others should escape censure.

    The only way to clamp down on it is to take action. Hopefully this will set a precedent and clean up the image of the game for all.

    SuperEd

    hornblowerracing;6142840

    I've seen worse dives go unpunished (Ronaldo, Drogba, Gerrard, Viera), … I've seen worse dives go unpunished (Ronaldo, Drogba, Gerrard, Viera), sounds like a bit of sour grapes and whining to UEFA on Celtic's part to be honest.They'd already lost the game themselves, so I don't see the point of this.



    +1

    realfriendlyman;6142813

    Where did this rule suddenly come from on the European stage though?There … Where did this rule suddenly come from on the European stage though?There has been clear evidence how many times last season of players diving but I never heard EUFA taking action.



    Sanctions were taken against AC Milan goalie Dida after he faked a collapse after being patted on the face by a celtic fan. He got a 2 match ban by UEFA after contravening Article 5.

    www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/autocodes/autocodes/italy/dida-suspended-celtic-fined-$1148367.htm

    kyle lafferty was punished for feigning injury in an old firm game too last season-and it has happened at international level too-remember the brazilian clutching his face in agony at the world cup? Think it was korea they were playing?

    Supermod

    hornblowerracing;6142840

    I've seen worse dives go unpunished (Ronaldo, Drogba, Gerrard, Viera), … I've seen worse dives go unpunished (Ronaldo, Drogba, Gerrard, Viera), sounds like a bit of sour grapes and whining to UEFA on Celtic's part to be honest.They'd already lost the game themselves, so I don't see the point of this.



    ...a dive is a dive...you are trying to deceive the referee to turn a game. Whether you dive to get someone sent off or to get a penalty you are still cheating so the circumstances are irrelevant.

    windhoek;6142894

    Sanctions were taken against AC Milan goalie Dida after he faked a … Sanctions were taken against AC Milan goalie Dida after he faked a collapse after being patted on the face by a celtic fan. He got a 2 match ban by UEFA after contravening Article 5.www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/autocodes/autocodes/italy/dida-suspended-celtic-fined-$1148367.htm



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    Original Poster

    barky;6142915

    kyle lafferty was punished for feigning injury in an old firm game too … kyle lafferty was punished for feigning injury in an old firm game too last season-and it has happened at international level too-remember the brazilian clutching his face in agony at the world cup? Think it was korea they were playing?



    They were playing against Turkey, the ball smacked his knee and he dropped clutching his face with his best excuse being "I thought it was coming towards my face" lol...as if that makes you drop in agony holding your face as if you've been shot lol

    Eduardo wasn't trying to get anyone sent off, nor did he request cards like a lot of players do but I won't condone what Eduardo did and I have to admit, Boruc done extremely well to avoid making contact, as it looked like it was destined for a trip.

    I guarantee, Ronaldo and Drogba would of done exactly the same in that situation and has done it many times last season but there was no consequences, nor has any new rule changes been implemented, so how can they justify this?

    I personally think video evidence is the way to go, that's the best way of cutting out any cheating and only takes 5 seconds to implement, which is quicker than the ref takes to make a decision where he consults his assistants.

    EUFA are idiots.

    moob;6142939

    ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZviLX37sMY



    That's the one:-D

    UEFA currently haven't allowed video evidence to sort out situations like this - and retrospective punishment is their only way of sorting it out currently, so I guess that doesn't really make them idiots, merely dealing with a situation the only way that's currently available to them.

    It's down to someone making a complaint about the incident - if no one does, nothing gets investigated.

    new seasons brinmg new rules, it may not have been a banable offence last season but it look like it is now

    magicjay1986;6142920

    ...a dive is a dive...you are trying to deceive the referee to turn a … ...a dive is a dive...you are trying to deceive the referee to turn a game. Whether you dive to get someone sent off or to get a penalty you are still cheating so the circumstances are irrelevant.


    +1

    I think that anything missed or any mistakes should be open to review. It would stop some of those who cheat getting away with their sly activities.
    Remember that Ronaldo wink???

    Original Poster

    UEFA has always said they'll back there refs and if the ref state they missed what happened, that's the only way they can overrule a match decision or lack of.

    This is exactly why Fletcher was suspended for the Champions League final, as the ref thought he deserved his suspension, yet video evidence proved he made a perfect tackle...why wasn't that overturned...oh wait, it's because they said they can't overrule the refs decision, yet they're trying to overrule the refs decision in this instance when he clearly made a decision on what he thought was right.

    UEFA has always said that if they allow decisions to be overturned, where will it end, as everything will be up for an appeal...are UEFA the biggest hypocrites of all time?

    Alfonse;6142717

    ban football.



    smithyp1;6142829

    should be banned for life ....................



    lol

    magicjay1986;6142920

    ...a dive is a dive...you are trying to deceive the referee to turn a … ...a dive is a dive...you are trying to deceive the referee to turn a game. Whether you dive to get someone sent off or to get a penalty you are still cheating so the circumstances are irrelevant.



    +1, he cheated and should be punished accordingly. I remember once when Gerrard dived to get a penalty for England and the pundits tried to justify it by saying that foreigners dive so we should as well.

    UEFA charge Eduardo for dive
    Friday 28 Aug 2009

    Eduardo faces a suspension after UEFA charged the Arsenal striker with 'deceiving the referee' during the Gunners' Champions League victory against Celtic on Wednesday.

    Gordon Smith, the chief executive of the Scottish FA, had said on Thursday that the Croatia international should be banned, a stance that UEFA president Michel Platini echoed.

    Smith had said: "Eduardo is a terrific player who has battled back from a serious injury to resume playing at the highest level. However, he showed disrespect to the game by his actions in winning a penalty against Celtic.

    "Since I came into this post, I have raised the issue of simulation time and time again - both here in Scotland and with FIFA and UEFA.

    "I don't think that I have received enough support in my efforts to eradicate what I believe to be one of the most serious threats to the integrity of football.

    "We have shown the courage to use retrospective punishment when it comes to simulation and I'd urge UEFA to do so in this instance. Everything that can be done to stamp it out must be done - starting right now.

    "I see absolutely no reason at all why we cannot use technology to assist referees - particularly in live games.

    "I know that some people say that TV evidence would damage the flow of a game, but I believe the proposal that I put forward to both FIFA and UEFA whereby football would adopt a similar approach to tennis in offering a set number of challenges can work."

    The Gunners won the second leg of their knockout tie 3-1 at the Emirates Stadium to wrap up a 5-1 aggregate success, but several Celtic players were unhappy when Eduardo won and converted a 28th-minute penalty to open the scoring after an incident involving Artur Boruc.

    :lol:

    realfriendlyman;6143489

    UEFA has always said they'll back there refs and if the ref state they … UEFA has always said they'll back there refs and if the ref state they missed what happened, that's the only way they can overrule a match decision or lack of.This is exactly why Fletcher was suspended for the Champions League final, as the ref thought he deserved his suspension, yet video evidence proved he made a perfect tackle...why wasn't that overturned...oh wait, it's because they said they can't overrule the refs decision, yet they're trying to overrule the refs decision in this instance when he clearly made a decision on what he thought was right.UEFA has always said that if they allow decisions to be overturned, where will it end, as everything will be up for an appeal...are UEFA the biggest hypocrites of all time?



    The issue here is that Eduardo cheated, blatantly, and got caught.

    Tough, as they say.

    A precedent needs to be set for diving really, to start it with this case seems fair

    modoc;6142882

    ]Same old Arsenal...Always Cheating!!!



    Talk about loud and passionate fans!

    its ITV who are the idiot or whoever was commentating anyway.

    its their lack of decent commentry script which prompted them to pounce on the incident, making such as big deal of it and therefore making it the big hoo-ha it is now.

    noone even bats an eyelid when this happens in every other game.

    Agree with him being fined and banned, If he had spat/punched/kicked someone then Video evidence would have been used so why not for diving(cheating) It's the only way to get rid of this from british football.

    barky;6142915

    kyle lafferty was punished for feigning injury in an old firm game too … kyle lafferty was punished for feigning injury in an old firm game too last season-and it has happened at international level too-remember the brazilian clutching his face in agony at the world cup? Think it was korea they were playing?



    it was against aberdeen and he ultimately was banned for 3 games.

    when its as obvious as the lafferty and eduardo cases than of course they should be banned and hopefully this sets a precedent for the upcoming euro and domestic campaign.

    uefa have opened a can of worms on this one. does this now mean that they will have to check every decision that takes place?

    What happens if an incident like this is the difference between winning and losing? does the guilty player/team get points deducted?

    This for me now shows that we do need to have video refereeing. Firstly to make things easier for the referees and secondly to stop Uefa from making themselves look even more silly.

    The game is a shambles anyway! The same thing will happens at a few games on the weekend.

    Banned

    Personally I think he should be banned and the game awarded to Celtic.

    The message should be clear. Cheats never prosper - and the fact Mr Whinger "never saw it" - suggests he's happy with the "same old Asenal, Always cheating".

    Original Poster

    foxxes;6143852

    its ITV who are the idiot or whoever was commentating anyway.its their … its ITV who are the idiot or whoever was commentating anyway.its their lack of decent commentry script which prompted them to pounce on the incident, making such as big deal of it and therefore making it the big hoo-ha it is now.noone even bats an eyelid when this happens in every other game.



    The game was already over, no one seems to go on like that for even worse dives during crucial moments of the game...the commentator was just enticing the fans even more and now they're using that as a scapegoat for a such a rubbish and gutless performance.

    I guarantee that if the Eduardo incident didn't occur, Celtic still would of confortably lost and would this case even be up for discussion if Eduardo missed the penalty?

    SPAMDOG;6144142

    Agree with him being fined and banned, If he had spat/punched/kicked … Agree with him being fined and banned, If he had spat/punched/kicked someone then Video evidence would have been used so why not for diving(cheating) It's the only way to get rid of this from british football.



    No, they ask for the refs view and UEFA has always said they will take action depending on what the ref has NOT seen....in this case, the ref saw the incident and decided it looked like a penalty, which as I said, UEFA refused to rescind Fletchers sending off last season, when it was clear that he made a perfect tackle, the sad thing is, he missed the champions league final because UEFA stated they can't overrule the ref when he saw the incident!

    Banned

    Its only fair if UEFA continue to punish other teams and players for the same incidents. As it will deter people from diving and make the game fairer.

    But if this is a one of case I don't think its fair to be singled out and I am a Celtic fan so I was raging when it happened. Hopefully UEFA keep it constant to anyone who dives in the future

    Banned

    realfriendlyman;6144383

    I guarantee that if the Eduardo incident didn't occur, Celtic still would … I guarantee that if the Eduardo incident didn't occur, Celtic still would of confortably lost and would this case even be up for discussion if Eduardo missed the penalty?



    That neither excuses it, or makes it right. I dont think Celtic are suggesting they would have won, but we all know dodgy penalties change the course of a game.

    If it wasn't for the cheating penalty awarded to Carrick against Spurs (when they were cruising 0-2) - not only might the match ended differently, but who won the title!

    Stamp down on cheats....... The only ones who would complain are cheats and those who thing cheating is ok.

    guv;6144339

    Personally I think he should be banned and the game awarded to Celtic.The … Personally I think he should be banned and the game awarded to Celtic.The message should be clear. Cheats never prosper - and the fact Mr Whinger "never saw it" - suggests he's happy with the "same old Asenal, Always cheating".



    Thank god your personal opinion doesn't count :-D
    Celtic fans.. :roll:

    Banned

    thrustmaster;6144540

    Thank god your personal opinion doesn't count :-DCeltic fans.. :roll:



    What has Celtic Fans got to do with my opinion? (Or God for that matter!)

    Original Poster

    guv;6144447

    That neither excuses it, or makes it right. I dont think Celtic are … That neither excuses it, or makes it right. I dont think Celtic are suggesting they would have won, but we all know dodgy penalties change the course of a game.If it wasn't for the cheating penalty awarded to Carrick against Spurs (when they were cruising 0-2) - not only might the match ended differently, but who won the title!Stamp down on cheats....... The only ones who would complain are cheats and those who thing cheating is ok.



    Then why doesn't EUFA/FA keep it all consistant, the example you provided was a lot more important.

    If Eduardo does get banned for diving, then fair enough but only if they produce the same result all around the world, otherwise they're going to be in for a lot of criticism.

    Cheats have prospered in the past and I'm not condoning it but all we ask for is consistancy and hypocrites should be charged as well.
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