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    Egyptian people showing the right way to effect regime change through Revolution.

    The Egyptian people have come onto the streets and are showing the power of ordinary workers.

    No need for Nato bombing or an American occupation.

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    Plum

    The Egyptian people have come onto the streets and are showing the power … The Egyptian people have come onto the streets and are showing the power of ordinary workers



    Don't they need to have a job to qualify for that?

    PS.... why is it you love anarchy so much?

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    Plum, are you talking about the Muslim Brotherhood?

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    guv

    Don't they need to have a job to qualify for that?PS.... why is it you … Don't they need to have a job to qualify for that?PS.... why is it you love anarchy so much?




    It's not anarchy but a revolution, very different animals. I have no time for anarchy. I like to see people showing their power and throwing out corrupt regimes.

    Plum

    It's not anarchy but a revolution, very different animals. I have no time … It's not anarchy but a revolution, very different animals. I have no time for anarchy. I like to see people showing their power and throwing out corrupt regimes.



    So when does anarchy become revolution? Semantics surely.

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    AberdeenDad

    So when does anarchy become revolution? Semantics surely.



    He doesn't like Jews as well? X)

    I'm guessing revolution in his mind involves setting fire to caravans, throwing fire extuinguishers at the police and other similar violent behaviour?

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    AberdeenDad

    So when does anarchy become revolution? Semantics surely.



    anarchy never becomes revolution.

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    guv

    He doesn't like Jews as well? X)I'm guessing revolution in his mind … He doesn't like Jews as well? X)I'm guessing revolution in his mind involves setting fire to caravans, throwing fire extuinguishers at the police and other similar violent behaviour?



    You should look into the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising before you have a go at violent resistance.

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    Plum

    You should look into the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising before you have a go at … You should look into the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising before you have a go at violent resistance.



    Strangely you'd be on the side of those in control for that one!

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    guv

    Strangely you'd be on the side of those in control for that one!



    No I would not. I have fought against Nazis all my life. I suspect you would be one of those who did nothing.

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    Plum

    No I would not. I have fought against Nazis all my life. I suspect you … No I would not. I have fought against Nazis all my life. I suspect you would be one of those who did nothing.



    Funnily, I wasn't alive at that time, so yes, for once you are correct. I did nothing.

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    guv

    Funnily, I wasn't alive at that time, so yes, for once you are correct. I … Funnily, I wasn't alive at that time, so yes, for once you are correct. I did nothing.



    I know your memories bad guv, but it was only two posts ago.

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    Plum

    I know your memories bad guv, but it was only two posts ago.



    I said who you would be supportive of a group killing Jews. Not quite the same as suggesting I'd be someone who didnothing.

    HTH

    Plum

    No I would not. I have fought against Nazis all my life. I suspect you … No I would not. I have fought against Nazis all my life. I suspect you would be one of those who did nothing.



    who are you, Indiana Jones?

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    Plums right actually. If you've ever been to Egypt, I can vouch for the fact that it is revolting.

    Anarchy isn't the same as revolution. Anarchy totally disregard any form that resemble authoritarian characteristics. Revolution is the movement towards a better authoritarian figure in a broad sense, for the most part.

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    dga

    Same thing, different view points.



    No it's not. You are wrong and have shown your ignorance.

    dga

    Same thing, different view points.



    It's not the same thing.. revolution is the aim to provide a better means of living, anarchists oppose any authority. Anarchists idealise freedom; there is no superior or inferior - that is what they strive for.
    Edited by: "pulsex0r" 21st Nov 2011

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    Whilst it's nice to see the people rising up in Egypt, the result of the elections may not be something we would want to celebrate if the Muslim Brotherhood do get power.

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    dga

    Question is, will they continue to honour the military contracts with the … Question is, will they continue to honour the military contracts with the US?




    well if they dont they will get bombed............simples!

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    Don't supposed they were celebrating much when G.W Bush was elected, but revolutions have a better chance of producing progressive government than the rigged so called democracy that exists in the west.


    FilthAndFurry

    Whilst it's nice to see the people rising up in Egypt, the result of the … Whilst it's nice to see the people rising up in Egypt, the result of the elections may not be something we would want to celebrate if the Muslim Brotherhood do get power.

    FilthAndFurry

    Whilst it's nice to see the people rising up in Egypt, the result of the … Whilst it's nice to see the people rising up in Egypt, the result of the elections may not be something we would want to celebrate if the Muslim Brotherhood do get power.



    I don't think it is for most Egyptians.

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    Plum

    Don't supposed they were celebrating much when G.W Bush was elected, but … Don't supposed they were celebrating much when G.W Bush was elected, but revolutions have a better chance of producing progressive government than the rigged so called democracy that exists in the west.



    It's pathetic that you can't discuss anything without some attempt at moral equivocation or invoking a boogeyman.

    But considering you used Muslim Brotherhood and 'progressive government' in the same sentence, I'll assume this is another attempt at a joke.

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    FilthAndFurry

    It's pathetic that you can't discuss anything without some attempt at … It's pathetic that you can't discuss anything without some attempt at moral equivocation or invoking a boogeyman.But considering you used Muslim Brotherhood and 'progressive government' in the same sentence, I'll assume this is another attempt at a joke.



    I think you just don't like the contradictions of your views being pointed out. As fore invoking boogeymen, you do that in every thread that has the slightest link to the middle east (and in many that don't).

    I did not use them in the same sentence, that is what you have just done. HTH

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    So Plum, are you hoping the Taliban (or whatever it is they are now calling themdelves these days) take control?

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    Plum

    I think you just don't like the contradictions of your views being … I think you just don't like the contradictions of your views being pointed out. As fore invoking boogeymen, you do that in every thread that has the slightest link to the middle east (and in many that don't).I did not use them in the same sentence, that is what you have just done. HTH



    You haven't pointed out any contradictions though.

    But are you saying that the Muslim Brotherhood are a 'boogeyman'?

    Looks like another third world crap hole thats going to need the west to sort it out....fuel up the bombers again ladies and gentlemen...

    We all knew this was going to happen - it will happen again in Libya within a few months.

    Overthrows dictator then realise they can't compromise amongst one another. Factions will occur where nutjobs will get more power and influence. Time to nip them in the bud.

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    dtovey89

    We all knew this was going to happen - it will happen again in Libya … We all knew this was going to happen - it will happen again in Libya within a few months.Overthrows dictator then realise they can't compromise amongst one another. Factions will occur where nutjobs will get more power and influence. Time to nip them in the bud.



    Where is that tard who kept going on about a Caliphate?

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    It's times like this that Plum shows his naivety. But let's try an analogy. What's happening in Egypt with it's fledgling democracy is like a baby taking it's first steps. But you want to make sure the baby doesn't walk into traffic and hurt itself.

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    FilthAndFurry

    It's times like this that Plum shows his naivety. But let's try an … It's times like this that Plum shows his naivety. But let's try an analogy. What's happening in Egypt with it's fledgling democracy is like a baby taking it's first steps. But you want to make sure the baby doesn't walk into traffic and hurt itself.



    Actually the analogy is ok to start with, however you have so little respect for the rest of humanity you would suggest a process more akin to foot binding.


    The Associated Press's latest news wrap
    A swelling crowd of tens of thousands filled Cairo's Tahrir Square Tuesday, answering the call for a million people to turn out and intensify pressure on Egypt's military leaders to hand over power to a civilian government. The ruling military council held crisis talks with political parties across the spectrum to try to defuse growing cries for a "second revolution.''

    The military head of state, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, was expected to address the nation as protests in Cairo and other major cities carried on for a fourth day. Security forces stayed out of Tahrir itself to lower the temperature. But there were clashes on side streets leading to the square _ the epicenter of the uprising that ousted longtime authoritarian leader Hosni Mubarak in February
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    http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/blogpostFeaturedImage/680_108.jpg
    Edited by: "Plum" 22nd Nov 2011

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    Plum

    Actually the analogy is ok to start with, however you have so little … Actually the analogy is ok to start with, however you have so little respect for the rest of humanity you would suggest a process more akin to foot binding.The Associated Press's latest news wrapA swelling crowd of tens of thousands filled Cairo's Tahrir Square Tuesday, answering the call for a million people to turn out and intensify pressure on Egypt's military leaders to hand over power to a civilian government. The ruling military council held crisis talks with political parties across the spectrum to try to defuse growing cries for a "second revolution.''The military head of state, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, was expected to address the nation as protests in Cairo and other major cities carried on for a fourth day. Security forces stayed out of Tahrir itself to lower the temperature. But there were clashes on side streets leading to the square _ the epicenter of the uprising that ousted longtime authoritarian leader Hosni Mubarak in February.



    See this is the thing with you. You're so deeply entrenched in what you feel like you have to believe that you can't for a second question that ideology. You're a true believer, a zealot.

    Here's my point though. What is happening in Egypt is great with a real push for democracy. But what happens if the Islamists, who apparently have a majority of followers in that country, do get elected into power? I know it's verboten for people like you to see Islam as anything other than good, with all the negative stories being invented by those awful neocons, but what I've suggested is a possible outcome.

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    FilthAndFurry

    Here's my point though. What is happening in Egypt is great with a real … Here's my point though. What is happening in Egypt is great with a real push for democracy. But what happens if the Islamists, who apparently have a majority of followers in that country, do get elected into power? I know it's verboten for people like you to see Islam as anything other than good, with all the negative stories being invented by those awful neocons, but what I've suggested is a possible outcome.



    This thread is not about me. For once stick to the topic and stop the personal insults.

    Like any people who are oppressed they will turn to those organisations that seem to be able to protect them. The answer to all religious extremism is true democracy. If those people in revolution see support from the west, and from those who are not religious it will add weight to those arguing for a democratic secular society. While those in the west keep acting like the Arab people cannot be trusted to run their own countries, while western governments see military attack as a solution to problems they will be pushed into the arms of those willing to stand up against them.

    http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/FeaturedImagePost/images/680_154.jpg

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    Plum

    This thread is not about me. For once stick to the topic and stop the … This thread is not about me. For once stick to the topic and stop the personal insults.Like any people who are oppressed they will turn to those organisations that seem to be able to protect them. The answer to all religious extremism is true democracy. If those people in revolution see support from the west, and from those who are not religious it will add weight to those arguing for a democratic secular society. While those in the west keep acting like the Arab people cannot be trusted to run their own countries, while western governments see military attack as a solution to problems they will be pushed into the arms of those willing to stand up against them.



    Again, you're ignoring the reality of the situation and posting your own ideological viewpoint as if it is fact (as well as pictures which don't actually reveal anything).

    What is your opinion on these free elections possibly installing an Islamist regime. Let's make it easy for you by really dumbing it down.

    Are you....

    A. Concerned

    B. Not Concerned.

    Feel free to toss a coin if that makes it easier.

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    FilthAndFurry

    Again, you're ignoring the reality of the situation and posting your own … Again, you're ignoring the reality of the situation and posting your own ideological viewpoint as if it is fact (as well as pictures which don't actually reveal anything).What is your opinion on these free elections possibly installing an Islamist regime. Let's make it easy for you by really dumbing it down. Are you....A. ConcernedB. Not Concerned.Feel free to toss a coin if that makes it easier.



    This thread is not about me it is about the Egyptian revolution. If you have an on topic view from your own ideological viewpoint then post it. I will continue to post from mine.


    We are witnessing history in the making in Egypt. This is a revolution that is showing the true power of ordinary people to change their lives for the better. I believe the pictures are powerful images of this and allow people here to see what change really looks like.


    http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/blogpostFeaturedImage/680a_3.jpg

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